NH supporters... what do you think will happen?

[tfelice]

Is the anti-war message resonating with the republican base? Most older republicans, those that come out in droves to vote, are not concerned with ending the war.

The republican base is concerned with the economy and taxes.

For alot of Repbulicans, an anti-war message reminds them of the 60's.

We need to increase the republican base of support to win this.

Independents won't win this for us.


All that being said, I know we can win, but we need a new direction now. Right Now.

You hit the nail on the head there. Why Paul, the campaign and the grassroots haven't seen this months ago is beyond me. The anti-war message does come off as sounding leftist, especially when paired with the "illegal war" & "American empire" rhetoric. It causes GOP voters to shut Paul down before they even have a chance to hear the message. Paul is easily characterized as one of the "blame America first" crowd and it doesn't help him that he's been on Alex Jones half a dozen times or so.

From the beginning the message should have been framed to target the people he was trying to reach, and he didn't. Looking back on it all, this may have been the biggest mistake of the campaign.

 

[LibertyForAll]

Honestly I don't know anymore, unless he comes first, maybe second then it's all over already. I am absoulutely shocked that the American people were offered freedom and an end to sons being killed in bullshit wars and it looks like that is being rejected. But more over I am really pissed at the campaign staff with thier lame ads, totally bullshit LAAAAAME campaign. I am still shaking my head in disbelief how this winning message was not sold easily.

If it walks like a Troll, talks like a Troll, types like a Troll, then Guess What?

 

[Ozwest]

Berri,

Look we understand your mentally retarded but Iowa was a big farming govt. subsidies state. Ron didn't have much of a chance there.

Now go back to your room and play with your 2 incher.

Like your hoodspah!

Be careful about overestimating your capabilities.

 

[adpierce]

I'm tired of the crap... just because somebody is bummed about our chances doesn't mean they're a troll. I myself think we're going to keep gaining momentum throughout this nomination process. The question in my mind is DO WE HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO CHANGE SO MUCH!!!!!! We're not talking about some kind of weakling establishment that's only been in place a few years. We're talking about the Highly Centralized Government/ Welfare State! Our government has been highly centralized since Lincoln. Our foreign policy has been in place since Wilson. Our welfare state has been in place since FDR. You're an idiot if you think the indoctrination that America's been getting for a century can be undone before Ron Paul gets elected. We've made a huge dent... but that's just with naturally liberty-minded people. We're facing the tough part now. You want to crawl in a hole or what? We've got the opportunity of a lifetime here. We may not win... but the higher profile Ron Paul gets in this whole process the greater service we do for the cause of liberty. There is no greater political goal in life. Ron Paul has fraught his whole life in near futility until now for this cause. It may take another lifetime before we've got a nation of liberty-loving people again. I hope not though. I hope my assessment of the situation isn't correct. I hope we can do something so remarkable... so incredible that 1776 is the only year that we could honestly compare to 2008. I just don't think the nation's ready for that much change.

 

[hasan]

instead of just talking about what shouldv happened and what needs to happen in the future why dont we work towards what needs to happen in the future? it would be more productive than tearin each other up on the boards

 

[Peppy690]

I think ron did great tonight on leno explaining his war stance. In order to gain more support from the republican base he needs to say from now on and emphasis that he supported afgahnastan and our troops to find bin laden. Also stress his military service. If he does that he will score major points with republicans. Ron is anti-Iraq. Not anti-war

 

[adpierce]

instead of just talking about what shouldv happened and what needs to happen in the future why dont we work towards what needs to happen in the future? it would be more productive than tearin each other up on the boards

I agree... but we've got to be realistic too. Looking at the past is the only way we can pave the road for the future. (No stealing that quote ... that is if I was the first to say it ... which I think I may be) Looking at our failures in Iowa makes it so we can be more successful in NH. We must correct them. Furthermore we need to be realistic about our chances... if we get as deflated as we did after Iowa I don't think this movement can survive. We need to know we must be in this for the long haul.

 

[Spirit of '76]

I'm tired of the crap... just because somebody is bummed about our chances doesn't mean they're a troll.

True. The tendency to call anyone even remotely negative or with uncomfortable questions a "troll" is getting a bit ridiculous.

 

[adpierce]

True. The tendency to call anyone even remotely negative or with uncomfortable questions a "troll" is getting a bit ridiculous.

The amazing thing is that this forum has incredibly few trolls. You'd think the establishment candidates would recognize the voice this community has and would try to subvert it. Oh well goes to show they're not too bright.

 

[reduen]

I'm praying for a win or a close second here, close to McCain but beating the rest.

I grew up in NH and my wife and I have a large family here. I'm 40 and have voted in every election, as has my wife... but like most, were not big time into politics. I will tell you, I did not know who Ron Paul was until Sept, when I read a post on the Yahoo Gold forum about him... the Main Stream Media, as we all know, has done their job WELL for the cabal in trying to hide Ron Paul's message from the casually engaged in NH, and that included everyone in my family that I have spoken to... either they didn't know who he was, or they had an opinion formed by what the TV said about him.... and didn't understand that a REAL choice was available in this election.

We all realize that Ron Paul's message wins support from nearly everyone who seeks it out or stumbles across it, with the AWESOME support of OLFOD, all the volunteers who have come... etc; NEVER SEEN in NH before; but it is still EARLY in this war. The media expects the revolution to fold up after NH.... please DO NOT allow the NH outcome to hurt your resolve around the country! If we continue educating people AFTER our state primaries pass, even if we fall short of a win; a few more months from now and our economy is going to look exactly as Ron Paul has predicted, with sub-prime imploding and inflation raging, and a 3rd party run might allow Ron and his campaign to use "less politically correct" tactics to hammer the "annointed" party winners on monetary policy, et al. Remember, if Ron doesn't get the nomination, we will probably see two CFR candidates in the general, and Ron should be able to tear these two apart with our help and six more months of getting his message out.
My life changed after learning about Ron Paul and what's really happening in this country, and a corrupt media stealing a primary is NOT going to put my head back in the sand!!!

Very thoughtfull post my man. Thank you for this, I agree...

 

[Spideynw]

I really want to remainoptimistic, but I'd be a liar if I said that the Iowa results and then Wyoming, didnt knock me down quite a few pegs.

I've spent much conversation time with naysayers in pointing out how flawed the polling is, only to have them all laugh in my face when they were almost dead money in Iowa.

Maybe I'm just a little Gun shy, or maybe I'm just let down that the Redskins and Ron Paul lost big contests in the same week!

Ron Paul did fantastic in Iowa (he spent less time than the other candidates and still beat Giuliani). Wyoming is just a joke anyways, which is why the media did not cover it (only 900 people could vote, and they were chosen two years ago).

You need to spend more time on the forums and learn the truth.

 

[thisisgiparti]

I wish we had real time updates from someone besides CNN. What about Justin TV?

 

[Craig_R]

Honestly I don't know anymore, unless he comes first, maybe second then it's all over already. I am absoulutely shocked that the American people were offered freedom and an end to sons being killed in bullshit wars and it looks like that is being rejected. But more over I am really pissed at the campaign staff with thier lame ads, totally bullshit LAAAAAME campaign. I am still shaking my head in disbelief how this winning message was not sold easily.

how trollish of you

 

[Zibblu]

Honestly I don't know anymore, unless he comes first, maybe second then it's all over already. I am absoulutely shocked that the American people were offered freedom and an end to sons being killed in bullshit wars and it looks like that is being rejected. But more over I am really pissed at the campaign staff with thier lame ads, totally bullshit LAAAAAME campaign. I am still shaking my head in disbelief how this winning message was not sold easily.

Don't be so discouraged. I don't think he needs first or second (luckily because the polls dont show that as being a possibility.) I think 3rd would bring a lot of media attention that the campaign really needs. We have to remember that the media is mostly ignoring Paul so a lot of people who dont go online to get information dont know anything about him and have just seen him dismissed on mainstream TV... So it's going to take some more media attention to reach those people.

Also consider that the Republican race is wide open. There is no real front runner. I don't see any Republican pulling ahead prior to Super Tuesday. So there is time.

 

[Publius Freeman]

Ron Paul Will Win IMHO

Ron Paul will win (or the election is rigged). Simple as that.

Don't prejudge or get sidetracked by smokescreens. Until the final vote is counted, and then some, we need to be united on the offense and positive, getting out the vote for our Country...

Keep the faith, and work as if prayer doesn't matter.

For Liberty,
Publius Freeman

 

[drpcash]

New Hampshire was ours to loose.
Its the only state in the country that is identified as a libertarian state.
We gave this campaign 5 million dollars in the 3rd quarter.
Another 8 million dollars half way through the 4th quarter.
We should be polling 50% ya thats right 50% for the last 3 weeks . With us being the story of the race. With us having all that support that is moving to Obama locked up 3 weeks ago. And money pouring into the revolution takin shapenationally. Because we were polling 50% 3 weeks ago.
The state has a 10% libertarian base for crying out loud. The people are strapped economically. Thier kids are dying. And 70% of them want us out of IRaq. 50% 50% not the 10% base that already existed. THe campaign never sold us to New Hampshire.

Total adds placed on NH wide TV for Dec. $ 230,000
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/07/politics/politico/main3680802.shtml

 

[drpcash]

Finally the light is starting to shine. the money bomb records never were meant to give paul the Presidency automatically, the delusional thought it would, the smart ones done it for publicity due to the fact that the MSM were not giving him any publicity, the tactic worked well until some thought that it was automatic presidency. The fact is that money bombs were only a tactic, but the upside is that paul has stacks of cash and he can now claim matching funds, which is another 20 million. With another 20 million dollars Paul should be able to blow all those other goof balls that want lots of war away forever with the direct straight to the point advertising, he can now do it.

Here is a deal to the campaign, no more LAME ads, take matching funds and annihalate the opposition! Easily done, Paul has an unbeatable message, no one has ever been able to criticise him on that, all they are left with is to criticise the supporters because his message is FREEDOM!

We can win this!

Check this out/////:Total adds placed on NH wide TV for Dec. $ 230,000
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/07/politics/politico/main3680802.shtml

 

[drpcash]

Exactly. We cannot expect corporate-owned media to give us free publicity, because we are not pushing their agenda. That is reasonable. Ron Paul is being covered and invited to most debates. WE heard about him, didn't we?

The campaign needs to be organized. Matching funds wouldn't be an issue, if this were handled professionally not haphazardly. More donors would come on board and existing donors would max out. Some people really want to back a winner, a courageous patriot. These people are not just diddling around with some vague "freedom movement" and hoping for a miracle.

At this point, Ron Paul should accept matching funds or just take the Libertarian Party up on its offer and run as an Independent.

Money spent so far in NH:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/07/politics/politico/main3680802.shtml

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

is it necessary to keep posting the same thing, three times in a row?

 

[austin356]

Check this out/////:Total adds placed on NH wide TV for Dec. $ 230,000
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/07/politics/politico/main3680802.shtml

Why would they not spend at least a million?

Its almost like they are not investing in the early states and hoping they win them anyways thus leaving money to fund Feb. 5th.