Newt Gingrich Abandons Neocons, Joins Rand Paul In GOP Foreign Policy Civil War

[eleganz]

lol, I refuse to link to thinkprogress.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

Don't Rand and Ted agree with each other on many issues? Why not give him a Cabinet position for something where both see eye to eye?

They do. Some folks here would prefer that Rand spit in Cruz's face rather than working side by side with him.

 

[Paulistinian]

They do. Some folks here would prefer that Rand spit in Cruz's face rather than working side by side with him.

People here forget that Ron endorsed and campaigned for Cruz in Texas.

 

[erowe1]

The thread title's deceptive.

He flat out says, "I am a neoconservative."

 

[Sola_Fide]

The next big terrorist attack will set him straight again... (cue Al CIAeda).

 

[PaleoPaul]

I'm still not exactly sure why so many people mention Rand and Cruz together when talking about foreign policy issues. Cruz might be better than the average Republican on foreign policy issues, but I don't really think he's where Rand is at.

Cruz seems to be like a Barry Goldwater on foreign policy. He's a bit on the hawkish side, but he's not a neo-con, either.

 

[Brett85]

Cruz seems to be like a Barry Goldwater on foreign policy. He's a bit on the hawkish side, but he's not a neo-con, either.

I agree. But I'm not sure why people like Gingrich mention Paul and Cruz together when discussing foreign policy, because Rand really isn't on the hawkish side.

 

[Christian Liberty]

I'm still not exactly sure why so many people mention Rand and Cruz together when talking about foreign policy issues. Cruz might be better than the average Republican on foreign policy issues, but I don't really think he's where Rand is at.

Exactly.

They do. Some folks here would prefer that Rand spit in Cruz's face rather than working side by side with him.

I don't so much have a problem with what Rand Paul is doing, although I seriously hope he knows what he's doing (He needs to be willing to betray Cruz before Cruz betrays him, if appropriate). I more have a problem with how everyone but Rand Paul and Mike Lee are reacting to Cruz than how Paul and Lee are reacting.

For instance, we, and Ron Paul, should stop pretending Cruz is an ally when we all know better. We should not LET people like Newt Gingrich try to connect Paul and Cruz without being condemned for it.

Rand Paul can play his game of chess, the rest of us need to set the neocons straight rather than playing their game. They'd like nothing more than to see Ted Cruz associated with the term "libertarian".

People here forget that Ron endorsed and campaigned for Cruz in Texas.

Nope. I simply disagree with Ron.

The next big terrorist attack will set him straight again... (cue Al CIAeda).

I'm ready for the next one. I already feel one coming. I'm not sure it will be mere "blowback" this time around.

I agree. But I'm not sure why people like Gingrich mention Paul and Cruz together when discussing foreign policy, because Rand really isn't on the hawkish side.

Sometimes he still is. Although, in Rand Paul's case, the signals are mixed enough that I can at least try to be optimistic. Ted Cruz just obviously puts Israel before the United States. Like everyone else.

 

[Pericles]

even though he is not to be trusted, this sort of talk is great for us.

When the people who are motivated by wanting to be on the winning side come your way ....

 

[Brett85]

Sometimes he still is. Although, in Rand Paul's case, the signals are mixed enough that I can at least try to be optimistic. Ted Cruz just obviously puts Israel before the United States. Like everyone else.

Rand isn't really "hawkish," but rather just a limited interventionist, as opposed to a complete non interventionist like Ron is.

 

[Mr.NoSmile]

Huh. Well, like anyone else, actions speak louder than words.

 

[NoOneButPaul]

Watching Newt during 2012 I always had a feeling Ron was getting to him more than the others. Just something I could sense...

I always sensed Newt was sitting there thinking to himself, "Here's a guy I tried my best to destroy in 1996 and here he is putting up a more impressive POTUS run than me... maybe there's something to what this kook is saying."

I always felt like Gingrich was coming around to us and now it appears, now that the dust has settled and the winds are shifting, he's finally admitting we were right.

Eventually I think he'll preach Ron's greatness and admit he was the best candidate for 2012. Perhaps i'm dreaming but we all know how this goes... i'm reminded of Friedman talking about how you don't need to convince everyone... just enough people to get the politicians moving in the right direction.

 

[TomtheTinker]

This is what we want to happen, the conversation is moving in our direction and the political shape shifters are the first to move. This will help us alot with talk radio "conservatives" who have preconceived notions about Rand.

 

[BlackTerrel]

Sometimes people have specific views on policies and when confronted with evidence that those policies are ineffective they change their views. I've done that multiple times in my life.

Could be Newt is doing that. Or he plots all day how to "co-opt the liberty movement".

 

[FrankRep]

Sometimes people have specific views on policies and when confronted with evidence that those policies are ineffective they change their views. I've done that multiple times in my life.

Could be Newt is doing that. Or he plots all day how to "co-opt the liberty movement".

Newt Gingrich still calls himself a Neoconservative. I just wanted to point that out.

 

[torchbearer]

Newt Gingrich still calls himself a Neoconservative. I just wanted to point that out.

true.
now that you mention that-
Newt is genius.
He is showing the other neocons how to defeat us.
Pretend to be us.

 

[Dary]

So does this mean that Newt doesn't think of us as indecent anymore?



Fuck you Newt.

Until we get a full and complete apology and see you actually have a real change of heart, fuck you.

Newt Gingrich judging us. pffft

 

[FrankRep]

Every time Newt claims to have changed his ways, I'll be forced to post this video.


The Real Newt Gingrich


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnwZ3CLPlnY

John F. McManus analyzes the voting record and actions of former Congressman Newt Gingrich, revealing that Gingrich is not the conservative he portrays himself to be.​

Newt Gingrich: The Establishment’s Conservative

An Honest Look at Newt Gingrich

Conservatives Against Newt Gingrich

 

[Shane Harris]

People here forget that Ron endorsed and campaigned for Cruz in Texas.

People here forget that Cruz endorsed Perry and Santorum over Ron.

 

[TaftFan]

People here forget that Cruz endorsed Perry and Santorum over Ron.

Not true.