New Lawsuits May Halt Obama's Reelection Run

[CaptUSA]

Well the only thing that I can see that has been beaten to death is people ASKING for the issue to be investigated. To my knowledge, the forgery has never been investigated. It is so blatant, it could not stand up to an investigation.
The SSN# fraud has never been investigated. To me, it sends the message that he is above the law. I think it is this message that can really breed fear in people.

Lone Star, I understand your point "he was elected and the damage has been done". Is no one else concerned about further damage? Is no one else concerned about our daily disappearing civil liberties? He could still yet do alot of damage. What would happen if he declared a state of emergency because of the rioting in the streets and suspended elections? What would we do then? Would we be sorry that we had not pushed this issue further?
Is not the amount of tyranny we live under directly related to the amount of tyranny we accept?

The tyranny to which you are referring is alot bigger than Barack Obama. The problem is not with one person, but the system. Even if you win, you lose. I'd suggest focusing your energy in more fruitful pursuits. If you want to dwell in this, you can, but you're not helping Ron Paul. Again, take your cue from the good doctor.

 

[Miss Annie]

I don't dwell on it. I have already explained why it baffles me, but if you can see from my posts...... I have other things on my mind.
The reason I posted this article was because I was curious how it would affect the Democratic election if Obama can't run. But the first response I got was very different that I what I expected and decided to pursue it. If I were focused on the birther issue, I think I probably would have asked about it before this.
The answer that made the most sense to me was the one about the anarchy caused by all of the defunct bills. THAT, I can understand.
The others were more of just along the lines of your not helping so be quiet.

 

[Matthew5]

I was curious how it would affect the Democratic election if Obama can't run.

Then to answer your question, the DNC would run another candidate. There's a slew of candidates they could pick, and would honestly help the Democrats cause. It'd be a smart move for the DNC to put up a challenger for the primaries (obviously not happening).

 

[Rothbardian Girl]

I would not like to see the Democrats put another challenger up besides Obama. Polling has indicated that Hillary Clinton (ew!) would kick most of the GOP candidates' asses. Of course, Ron wasn't included in those polls. It doesn't really matter anyway since having a Republican president would essentially be the same as having Obama for another four years, but Obama will look very vulnerable if Paul is the nominee. If another GOP candidate is the nominee, then I sincerely think that Obama will win re-election.

 

[Carole]

So would this apply to someone like Marco Rubio as well?

 

[Carole]

Probably Hillary Clinton who polls 55 percent to beat any Republican candidate. DUH!

Drop this issue please.

 

[Miss Annie]

Then to answer your question, the DNC would run another candidate. There's a slew of candidates they could pick, and would honestly help the Democrats cause. It'd be a smart move for the DNC to put up a challenger for the primaries (obviously not happening).

That could be scary, as I have seen what the MSM has been publishing about how Hillary is doing in the polls. But again, I don't believe a word of what I read or hear in the MSM. My question would be, who is doing the polling and who's pocket are they in? The MSM is nothing but a tool that is used by the "higher corruption" to instill fear and anger in the people. I tend to wonder if at this point, a 3rd party ticket wouldn't actually do better in the election because I think people are FED up with the Rs and Ds? Especially the ones that only expose themselves to MSM.

Just my 2 cents here.... MOST of you guys are VERY much in the know about the situation here in the country and in politics as to where I think most of the population is really not. Like I said earlier in this thread, I am just now starting to learn and have no qualms about calling myself a "dummy" here.
The reason that I showed up at this forum and joined was because I started looking into the candidates and Ron Paul looked beautiful! I wanted to learn more and knew that his own forum would probably be the best place to do that. My point is,... if this election is going to go as well as we want it too, I think we should not only expect, but hope for alot more dummies like me to show up here.
I would beg you guys, for the sake of the election to become a little more patient and a little more willing to teach people about how this stuff works without assuming that people already know what you are talking about. Being that I only had 3 months under my belt of educating myself and I started in the MSM..... I was not aware of the "dead horse" issue. Maybe you guys have been seeing it for three years, but I have only been seeing it for a month or so. Not as old to me as it is to you.

 

[jmdrake]

Let's not get distracted from our purpose. Our purpose is to elect Ron Paul. If we don't accomplish that we have failed. If Ron doesn't win the GOP nomination and if I doesn't run 3rd party (I hope he does), I really don't care who ends up getting the Whitehouse. Obama = Bush = Romney = Cain = Perry = Gingrich = Bachmann = Huntsman > Santorum. And yeah I left Gary Johnson off the list. He'd be better than Obama, but if Ron can't win Gary Johnson doesn't have a prayer.

Edit: It would be one thing if the "birther" issue was helping us get rid of Obama quicker. But if it just helps ease the transition from Obama to the republican version of Obama, what's the point?

 

[Acala]

That could be scary, as I have seen what the MSM has been publishing about how Hillary is doing in the polls. But again, I don't believe a word of what I read or hear in the MSM. My question would be, who is doing the polling and who's pocket are they in? The MSM is nothing but a tool that is used by the "higher corruption" to instill fear and anger in the people. I tend to wonder if at this point, a 3rd party ticket wouldn't actually do better in the election because I think people are FED up with the Rs and Ds? Especially the ones that only expose themselves to MSM.

Just my 2 cents here.... MOST of you guys are VERY much in the know about the situation here in the country and in politics as to where I think most of the population is really not. Like I said earlier in this thread, I am just now starting to learn and have no qualms about calling myself a "dummy" here.
The reason that I showed up at this forum and joined was because I started looking into the candidates and Ron Paul looked beautiful! I wanted to learn more and knew that his own forum would probably be the best place to do that. My point is,... if this election is going to go as well as we want it too, I think we should not only expect, but hope for alot more dummies like me to show up here.
I would beg you guys, for the sake of the election to become a little more patient and a little more willing to teach people about how this stuff works without assuming that people already know what you are talking about. Being that I only had 3 months under my belt of educating myself and I started in the MSM..... I was not aware of the "dead horse" issue. Maybe you guys have been seeing it for three years, but I have only been seeing it for a month or so. Not as old to me as it is to you.

Lonestarlocke explained it. Think it through. What do you gain if you were to convince everyone that Obama is ineligible to be President?

Biden as President? Not an improvement.

A clean slate for the democrats to run another candidate instead of the loser they are currently saddled with? Not an improvement.

Does everyone suddenly also conclude that government power is out of control and restore Constitutional limitations? I can't see any reason to think so. And unless they do, it isn't an improvement.

The elements in the Republican party who are defending the status quo of unfettered government power WANT the public to focus on Obama and ignore the REAL problems of runaway government. In this way, they can get rid of Obama AND still have unfettered power when THEIR man is in the White House. Any effort focused on Obama the man or on the individuals in his administration is a distraction (and a deliberately engineered distraction) from what really needs to be done, which is reigning in government power.

Understand?

 

[jmdrake]

Well welcome aboard! This was an issue that seemed to be garnering traction at one point, but post the "death" of OBL it's been pretty much dead. Note that Donald Trump who was all over the "birther" issue was once the lead contender for the GOP nomination. Note that he's not even running now. There are a lot of other rabbit holes you can go down that have broader implications than just Obama. See the links in my sig for 3 of them.

That could be scary, as I have seen what the MSM has been publishing about how Hillary is doing in the polls. But again, I don't believe a word of what I read or hear in the MSM. My question would be, who is doing the polling and who's pocket are they in? The MSM is nothing but a tool that is used by the "higher corruption" to instill fear and anger in the people. I tend to wonder if at this point, a 3rd party ticket wouldn't actually do better in the election because I think people are FED up with the Rs and Ds? Especially the ones that only expose themselves to MSM.

Just my 2 cents here.... MOST of you guys are VERY much in the know about the situation here in the country and in politics as to where I think most of the population is really not. Like I said earlier in this thread, I am just now starting to learn and have no qualms about calling myself a "dummy" here.
The reason that I showed up at this forum and joined was because I started looking into the candidates and Ron Paul looked beautiful! I wanted to learn more and knew that his own forum would probably be the best place to do that. My point is,... if this election is going to go as well as we want it too, I think we should not only expect, but hope for alot more dummies like me to show up here.
I would beg you guys, for the sake of the election to become a little more patient and a little more willing to teach people about how this stuff works without assuming that people already know what you are talking about. Being that I only had 3 months under my belt of educating myself and I started in the MSM..... I was not aware of the "dead horse" issue. Maybe you guys have been seeing it for three years, but I have only been seeing it for a month or so. Not as old to me as it is to you.

 

[Miss Annie]

So please clarify this for me. Does this mean that an impeachment of the President would be a bad thing? And I don't necessarily mean about being impeached on the birther issue, there are plenty other issues that qualify. But if he were impeached, would all of the laws, executive orders, etc.... because null and void and would we wind up with anarchy then too? Or has there been provisions in the law to protect the country from that if impeachment were to happen?

 

[Don Lapre]

I am only about 3 or 4 months into studying government, the economy, and politics. Before I started, I did not even understand the purpose of Congress.
I moved to Canada when I was just old enough to vote in the US and spent 20 years there. Since I have been back in the states, I have felt under educated to vote.
I began seeing strange things pop up in the news a few months ago, things that just did not just sit well with me. So I began looking and digging and did not like what I saw. That made me decide it was time to exersize my OBLIGATION ( not just a right ) to vote. I began educating myself.
Of course in doing that, I have come across this "birther" (what stupid verbage! Only meant to add stigma by the MSM to discourage pursuit of answers) issue.
I TRULY DO NOT UNDERSTAND why this issue has not been pursued.
I am a web designer by trade and know enough about graphics design to know that the birth certificate posted online is a BLATANT forgery. There are a ton of videos posted on youtube by professional graphics designers to explain how this is proven. When I say blatant, I truly mean blatant!
But the thing I do not understand is WHY this issue has been ignored. When I go to buy a pack of ciggerettes, I am required to provide Identification. In order to drive a car, I need identification. I really don't think it is an unreasonable expectation to ask the POTUS to provide identification.
When I stop and think that if this issue would have been pursued, we MIGHT have avoided 4 trillion dollars in debt.... it really stupefies me.
There is also the fact that the POTUS is running with a fraudulent SSN#.
That is something that a regular citizen would do hard time for.
When I ask for an explanation of why this issue is avoided, I am dead serious. I have my big girl panties on and can take some criticism and correction in order to gain some education and understanding!
Please explain?

Annie, millions of Americans are right there with you.

Barry is a BLATANT fraud - and his entire presidency is a BLATANT fraud.

He's not going to be the Democratic nominee in '12.

He slipped through the cracks and got into office in '08 and - because of people like you, who aren't afraid to speak out about it, he can't POSSIBLY slip through again in '12.

NO chance of it.

He's toast.

Right now it's just a matter of how much more damage he does before he's out of office.

My guess is... a whole LOT.

He should have been removed a LONG time ago.

 

[Noob]

So please clarify this for me. Does this mean that an impeachment of the President would be a bad thing? And I don't necessarily mean about being impeached on the birther issue, there are plenty other issues that qualify. But if he were impeached, would all of the laws, executive orders, etc.... because null and void and would we wind up with anarchy then too? Or has there been provisions in the law to protect the country from that if impeachment were to happen?

If he was just impeach, all laws and executive orders under him would remain. If he is found not to be natural born citizen, than those would be void.

 

[Matthew5]

Just my 2 cents here....

No qualms here. I applaud your humbleness and willingness to learn. Welcome to the movement!

The birther issue is unique because it's simply too exhausting to explain the "how" and it's easier to explain the "why not", if that makes sense. Obama has proven that he doesn't give a flying rip about the Constitution anyway, so what's one more violation?

 

[musicmax]

I was curious how it would affect the Democratic election if Obama can't run.

 

[Matthew5]

He's not going to be the Democratic nominee in '12.

So that $70+ million raised is for someone else?

 

[fatjohn]

Much more chance against obama than against hillary. And both would be equally bad the next 4 years. So let's hope this is not true.

 

[Don Lapre]

So that $70+ million raised is for someone else?

I guess it will be.

Barry will get tossed under the bus at some point.

Either that, or he'll bow out before running... claiming "sickness," "family," or something or other.


jmo

 

[Miss Annie]

Thank you all! It is sinking in! The last person I want for President is the person who said "We came, we saw, and he died". Made me sick!
I sure wish I would have taken that government class in High School now! LOL

 

[Matthew5]

I guess it will be.

Barry will get tossed under the bus at some point.

Either that, or he'll bow out before running... claiming "sickness," "family," or something or other.


jmo

You do realize how arrogant our President is, right? hehe I can't see him giving up such a powerful position willingly.

The Democrats have a few more "Wag The Dogs" up their sleeve in time for the election.