New CNN Poll, Rand tied for 7th at 3%

[jkr]

YA KNOW WHAT CNN?

 

[hells_unicorn]

It's bad. It doesn't mean his goose is cooked though. I'm sure he's doing no worse than Santorum was at this point in 2011.

The number of candidates has skewed all the polling. It isn't just that Trump is sucking up so much oxygen, it's also that there are 15 other people fighting Rand for the rest of it. Rand is competing with at least 6 other candidates for Evangelical support, at least 3 others on tax reduction, the only group that Rand has a lock on is the civil liberties crowd, and my guess is that the polling companies and those who commission the polls are specifically trying to avoid certain people in their polling to make it look like 95% of Republicans support a police state, when the number is probably closer to 65%, which is still bad but not nearly as much.

When 5 or 6 of these nobody candidates drop out, things will be a bit clearer, but I'm not saying anybody's goose is cooked until they've either dropped out, or at the very least, until after a few primaries have happened. Anybody saying that Rand's goose is already cooked is essentially admitting that the MSM controls their thoughts and that they can't think outside of the news cycle box.

 

[Rudeman]

Who do you think you're fooling? It's terrible. After all Rand's effort and his talent and his better-than-his-father-ness, all we get is a lousy 3%, like where Ron was in 200fucking7. Forget it. Rand's goose is cooked. Elections aren't the way to go.

How about not freaking out over polls and wait until actual results (Iowa/NH) or until Rand throws in the towel. Remember McCain was dead in the water in 2007/08 according to the polls, then he did well in NH. Also lets not forget Santorum coming out of nowhere in Iowa last election.

 

[TheTyke]

Polling agencies are not rated for accuracy until the final month. It was close to the election when polls started registering Ron's strength in Iowa as I recall - and just about two weeks out before the media engineered the Santorum surge. These numbers obviously aren't helpful at all - but nothing unexpected, and just one more tool in the establishment's arsenal against us. We need to figure out how to overcome - and do exactly the opposite of their intended effect.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Just a reminder that Rubio was so confident in his candidacy that he decided to leave the Senate to focus on it. Rand is tied with him.

Wow, Rubio's an idiot. That's so encouraging.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

It's bad. It doesn't mean his goose is cooked though. I'm sure he's doing no worse than Santorum was at this point in 2011.

He's not an establishment candidate. He needs a head start. With everything he's been putting into this, I'd say this showing is bad news and anyone who says otherwise is just suffering cognitive dissonance.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

How about not freaking out over polls and wait until actual results (Iowa/NH) or until Rand throws in the towel. Remember McCain was dead in the water in 2007/08 according to the polls, then he did well in NH. Also lets not forget Santorum coming out of nowhere in Iowa last election.

I'm not freaking out. I finally see clearly. The elections are rigged in every way possible. Elections are not how we win.

 

[CPUd]

I'm not freaking out. I finally see clearly. The elections are rigged in every way possible. Elections are not how we win.

You are posting in an election forum.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

You are posting in an election forum.

Eh, whatever.

 

[69360]

Don't care. Polls won't make any sense until this Trump thing is over. I'm not saying Rand is going to win, just that the primary won't start until the donald show ends.

 

[Dianne]

Trump 32, Carson 19, Bush 9, Cruz 7, Rubio 3, Fiorina 3, Walker 5, Huckabee 5, Kasich 2, Christie 2, Paul 3, Santorum 1, Perry 0, Jindal 1, Graham 1


the only good news I see is that Kasich and Carly are already fading.

Is that the way they posted the results? Because in my math logic, Paul at 3 should be listed before Kasich at 2 and Christie at 2.

 

[cindy25]

what will cause the Trump (and Carson) thing to be over? after the CNN debate the next two are on CNBC and FBN, so they will get little viewership. the CNN debate on Dec 15th is too close to Christmas. and the January Fox Iowa debate might be too late.

 

[CPUd]

what will cause the Trump (and Carson) thing to be over? after the CNN debate the next two are on CNBC and FBN, so they will get little viewership. the CNN debate on Dec 15th is too close to Christmas. and the January Fox Iowa debate might be too late.

Trump will drop his campaign as soon as internal polling tells him there is no way for him to win NH. This may be December or January though.

 

[Crashland]

Is that the way they posted the results? Because in my math logic, Paul at 3 should be listed before Kasich at 2 and Christie at 2.

RCP always orders the results of any particular poll by the current RCP average, not the order of the individual poll result. RCP has done this for years, it is not unusual

 

[Dianne]

RCP always orders the results of any particular poll by the current RCP average, not the order of the individual poll result. RCP has done this for years, it is not unusual

Yes, but aren't these indicative of the final results. Now final results are posted, and Christie at 2; Kasich at 2, Rand at 3. Why isn't Rand listed just behind Huckabee?

 

[adam220891]

I am baffled by Carson's appeal. He's soft-spoken, and often nonsensical. He doesn't seem to have gotten a ton of media coverage or much time in the first debate. Yet, he climbs?

 

[Crashland]

Yes, but aren't these indicative of the final results. Now final results are posted, and Christie at 2; Kasich at 2, Rand at 3. Why isn't Rand listed just behind Huckabee?

What are you talking about? Look:

And this is how the poll result is posted:

It is the exact same order as the RCP average... note that Paul isn't the only one "out of order", because the results of the individual poll aren't in the exact same order as the RCP average. Again, this is not unusual...

 

[Keith and stuff]

Great news for Rand. Recent polls had him at 1% and 2%. Keep it up Rand!

 

[Brett85]

I am baffled by Carson's appeal. He's soft-spoken, and often nonsensical. He doesn't seem to have gotten a ton of media coverage or much time in the first debate. Yet, he climbs?

It won't last. He's just the flavor of the month. It's just 2012 all over again, with a new flavor of the month every month.

 

[RabbitMan]

I think the biggest surprise so far has been Bush's flailing campaign and the complete downward spiral for Walker.

Remember Walker? He was hot sh1t in June-July. Raised tons of money too. He is polling 4% now?