My feelings on this race

[pinkmandy]

I just posted this on a blog and usually post something similar almost daily. So these are my thoughts and are others determined to do the same? Are you letting repubs know this is the way it is going to be?

Romney wins, repubs lose. No candidate, except Paul, will garner the vote of the Paul supporters. The repubs can't afford to lose our vote (they need us to beat the dems, like it or not) but we promise they will lose EVERY election until a pro-Constitution, small govt, pro-peace, fiscally responsibile, MORAL, conservative is nominated. Don't count on us to suck it up and vote the party line ever again. We're done and it feels GREAT.

Do everyday Repub voters realize we have the numbers and power to cripple every election? Should they find out?

 

[werdd]

they do, why do you think they ask him if heil run 3rd party everyday.

 

[JenaS62]

I just had a very unpleasant conversation with my mother this morning. Although she loves RP and had every intention of voting for him - she is afraid of McCain winning the republican nomination and therefore allowing Clinton to win the general election. So she says that she is voting for Romney here in Florida because she does not want McCain to win (Romney and
McCain are tied here). She thinks that if Romney get the GOP nomination - more people will come out to vote against Hillary. How do we combat this mentality?

 

[micahnelson]

I just had a very unpleasant conversation with my mother this morning. Although she loves RP and had every intention of voting for him - she is afraid of McCain winning the republican nomination and therefore allowing Clinton to win the general election. So she says that she is voting for Romney here in Florida because she does not want McCain to win (Romney and
McCain are tied here). She thinks that if Romney get the GOP nomination - more people will come out to vote against Hillary. How do we combat this mentality?

If you don't vote for someone who represents you, you will never be represented.

If she ever complains in the future about the government, remind her that she did her part to help it along.

I mean, shes your mom- but almost every woman is somebody's mom. Tell her she raised you well enough that you know not to throw away your vote on a political game.

 

[WilliamC]

It may be that things will have to get worse before they can get better.

It may be that the Republican's will have to loose the White House before they re-commit to their principles.

It may be that Ron Paul's Revolution will have more of an impact on the 2010 and 2012 elections than on the 2008 elections.

Whatever happens, don't go back to sleep.

 

[JenaS62]

You're right of course. As much as I cannot stand the thought of Hillary being the POTUS - I want the GOP to get the message. What a horrible time it is for the American people.

 

[DAFTEK]

If Ron Paul drops out we need to drop the Republican party and vote for Obama, as much as i hate to say it if that becomes the case i personally would hate to see McCrackhead or Hitlary in power then Obama, cant be any worse. Write in will not help anyone as i used to think. The GOP deserves to lose this race for their blackout and dirty tricks on Ron Paul. If you think I'm wrong why please tell me why.....

 

[j0ew00ds]

PinkMandy,
Among the people on this forum, you're correct. We're not likely to vote for anyone else. However, i can't think that's true among the majority of the "ordinary" people that have voted for RP.

 

[Shii]

I just had a very unpleasant conversation with my mother this morning. Although she loves RP and had every intention of voting for him - she is afraid of McCain winning the republican nomination and therefore allowing Clinton to win the general election. So she says that she is voting for Romney here in Florida because she does not want McCain to win (Romney and
McCain are tied here). She thinks that if Romney get the GOP nomination - more people will come out to vote against Hillary. How do we combat this mentality?

Tell her the truth: McCain has more of a chance of winning over Hillary. Trust me, I am reading a lot of liberal blogs (since I'm a liberal) and a huge amount of the Democratic base hates Hillary. If the election were Hillary vs. McCain, they would write in Ralph Nader and be satisfied with a McCain Presidential victory... but if it were Romney they would vote for Hillary because Romney is the ultimate sleaze.

Here's a poll that clearly demonstrates McCain would beat Hillary, I'm not sure if you can see the results without registering but basically that's what it says

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2746691

 

[literatim]

I just had a very unpleasant conversation with my mother this morning. Although she loves RP and had every intention of voting for him - she is afraid of McCain winning the republican nomination and therefore allowing Clinton to win the general election. So she says that she is voting for Romney here in Florida because she does not want McCain to win (Romney and
McCain are tied here). She thinks that if Romney get the GOP nomination - more people will come out to vote against Hillary. How do we combat this mentality?

Inform her that we (at least 10% of the GOP base) won't vote for Romney, so he will lose the general election anyway. Not to mention much of the Christian base the general election will lose. Remember, Dr. Dobson threatened to move away from the GOP if a pro-choice candidate (including Romney he said) becomes the nominee.

 

[Original_Intent]

It may be that things will have to get worse before they can get better.

It may be that the Republican's will have to loose the White House before they re-commit to their principles.

It may be that Ron Paul's Revolution will have more of an impact on the 2010 and 2012 elections than on the 2008 elections.

Whatever happens, don't go back to sleep.

Ya know your post just made me realize something.

If, God forbid, Ron Paul is not elected, we would have a huge opportunity to take our government back in 2010. If we keep working together that gives us two years to work on getting a majority elected in the House. Non-presidential elections have lousy turnout and I think that we could quietly still an election while America sleeps.

That would give us two years before the next election of complete control of the nation's purse strings. 2010 is a huge opportunity, no, not nearly as glamorous as a presidential win, but with a lot more actual power.

All we need is ~220 more "Dr. Noes".

 

[Midnight77]

A Hillary Presidency is a sacrifice I'm willing to make to teach the Republican Party that they need to change their ways. Every Ron Paul supporter should write Paul in at the General Election to make a statement. This will unquestionably be reported on the News if we can allow Paul to achieve the status of the man with the most write-in votes in a General Election in our nation's history.

 

[WilliamC]

Ya know your post just made me realize something.

If, God forbid, Ron Paul is not elected, we would have a huge opportunity to take our government back in 2010. If we keep working together that gives us two years to work on getting a majority elected in the House. Non-presidential elections have lousy turnout and I think that we could quietly still an election while America sleeps.

That would give us two years before the next election of complete control of the nation's purse strings. 2010 is a huge opportunity, no, not nearly as glamorous as a presidential win, but with a lot more actual power.

All we need is ~220 more "Dr. Noes".

Work as hard as we can to get Ron Paul nominated, but failing that work just as hard to support him and like-minded individuals in Congress between now and 2010.

This is how the rEVOLution grows...

 

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

I just had a very unpleasant conversation with my mother this morning. Although she loves RP and had every intention of voting for him - she is afraid of McCain winning the republican nomination and therefore allowing Clinton to win the general election. So she says that she is voting for Romney here in Florida because she does not want McCain to win (Romney and
McCain are tied here).

Well Ron isn't really competing in FL (it's winner take all), and McWarmonger must be stopped, so what she is doing makes sense, in terms of the GOP primary.

In terms of the general, I think Ron will run independent. So let's see what happens, and encourage Dr Paul to do it.

 

[NoPants]

I just had a very unpleasant conversation with my mother this morning. Although she loves RP and had every intention of voting for him - she is afraid of McCain winning the republican nomination and therefore allowing Clinton to win the general election. So she says that she is voting for Romney here in Florida because she does not want McCain to win (Romney and
McCain are tied here). She thinks that if Romney get the GOP nomination - more people will come out to vote against Hillary. How do we combat this mentality?

She doesn't need to worry about it. Let here know that Romney has plenty of support and her single vote will make a much bigger difference for Paul than Romney. Ask her if she would want either of them to be her President, Romney or Hillary. If she doesn't want them she needs to vote for Paul if that's what she believes in.

 

[virgil47]

Listen to your mother. She is the voice of experience. Do NOT listen to those folks on this board that would rather sacrifice our country than support someone they feel is less than perfect. If Ron Paul does not win the nomination do not follow these folks and throw a temper tantrum. When I was a youngster doing what they advocate was called "cutting off your nose to spite your face". If you're not sure what that means ask your mother she knows.

 

[pinkmandy]

Listen to your mother. She is the voice of experience. Do NOT listen to those folks on this board that would rather sacrifice our country than support someone they feel is less than perfect. If Ron Paul does not win the nomination do not follow these folks and throw a temper tantrum. When I was a youngster doing what they advocate was called "cutting off your nose to spite your face". If you're not sure what that means ask your mother she knows.

Yes, listen to your mother. That way NOTHING EVER CHANGES. Forget voting your conscience, vote status quo instead. That's the way to revolutionize our country! I do not know a single RP supporter who would EVER suggest such a thing. Not a real one anyway.

 

[ronpaulyourmom]

There isn't enough of a difference between Romney, McCain, Hillary or Obama to make strategic voting amount to more than a hill of beans. All of them would maintain or increase spending (based on the promises they've made), none of them have the courage to stand up firmly against our flawed foreign policy, and none of them give a damn about our civil liberties.

The real waste of a vote is for anybody other than Ron Paul. And by god if a 72-year old man is going out there every day, sunup to sundown, and putting it all on the line against an establishment that continues to push him into the tarpits, I'll be damned if I betray his efforts by casting a vote for Romney (who is my 2nd pick but still horrible by comparison).

Tell these things to your mother, tell her there's millions of us who feel this way, and tell her that we need her help.

www.ronpaulwhitehouse.com

 

[Maltheus]

I just had a very unpleasant conversation with my mother this morning. Although she loves RP and had every intention of voting for him - she is afraid of McCain winning the republican nomination and therefore allowing Clinton to win the general election. So she says that she is voting for Romney here in Florida because she does not want McCain to win (Romney and
McCain are tied here). She thinks that if Romney get the GOP nomination - more people will come out to vote against Hillary. How do we combat this mentality?

I think after the last debate, it all but certain that Ron Paul is going to run third party. In an election year where the democrats were heavily favored to win in any case, having close to 10% of the Republican party voting for Paul means that the next president will either be the democratic nominee or Ron Paul. There's no way to avoid that. So tell you Mom that she needs to make sure he wins the nomination to prevent it. It should be simply in theory.

Honestly, this should have been our strategy back in December given our fundraising. It's a little dirty to make threats I suppose, but we're just stating the obvious. My dream is that Hillary gets the dem nom and McCain/Lieberman gets the gop nom. That's our best shot at taking this election, IMO. The conservative base will rally against Hillary but we can frustrate them into not support for McCain since they never liked him anyway, and with a democrat as his running mate (especially at McCain's age), they'd have no choice but to look into Paul.

 

[danda]

If Paul doesn't get the nomination, write him in. simple.