My feelings on this race

[jarofclay]

If you don't vote for someone who represents you, you will never be represented.

If she ever complains in the future about the government, remind her that she did her part to help it along.

I mean, shes your mom- but almost every woman is somebody's mom. Tell her she raised you well enough that you know not to throw away your vote on a political game.

+10

 

[jarofclay]

If Ron Paul drops out we need to drop the Republican party and vote for Obama, as much as i hate to say it if that becomes the case i personally would hate to see McCrackhead or Hitlary in power then Obama, cant be any worse. Write in will not help anyone as i used to think. The GOP deserves to lose this race for their blackout and dirty tricks on Ron Paul. If you think I'm wrong why please tell me why.....

For the same reason the OP was talking about her/his mom, don't throw your vote in fear. Vote for someone you believe in. If someone truly believes in Obama they need to open their ears a little more to listen to what his message implies.... total government control in your life. social engineering for health care.. kiss your income goodbye.

Tell everyone to vote for Ron Paul. He is catchin' on , I'm telling ya.

 

[virgil47]

McCain and Hillary are two sides of the same coin. I'm really beginning to doubt that the majority of RP supporters are truly for America. Most of you are advocating throwing a temper tantrum because you can't have your way. Hmmm, not a very mature perspective is it? So if I'm right you youngsters are saying if I can't have Ron Paul as my president then screw America it deserves what it gets. To me that is a very selfish and suicidal way of looking at life. Most of you seem to believe that politics are an exact science. I'm sorry to burst your bubble ... it's is about compromise and trying to do the best you can for the most people. Answer this question if you will. Would any of you support Ron Paul as a VP if he doesn't win the nomination? If not why?

 

[jarofclay]

Listen to your mother. She is the voice of experience. Do NOT listen to those folks on this board that would rather sacrifice our country than support someone they feel is less than perfect. If Ron Paul does not win the nomination do not follow these folks and throw a temper tantrum. When I was a youngster doing what they advocate was called "cutting off your nose to spite your face". If you're not sure what that means ask your mother she knows.

GOP Troll. Someone get out your ban stick.

 

[Cleaner44]

Ya know your post just made me realize something.

If, God forbid, Ron Paul is not elected, we would have a huge opportunity to take our government back in 2010. If we keep working together that gives us two years to work on getting a majority elected in the House. Non-presidential elections have lousy turnout and I think that we could quietly still an election while America sleeps.

That would give us two years before the next election of complete control of the nation's purse strings. 2010 is a huge opportunity, no, not nearly as glamorous as a presidential win, but with a lot more actual power.

All we need is ~220 more "Dr. Noes".

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[virgil47]

jarofclay, I believe it is you who is the TROLL. If you do not have an opinion and the ability to defend it then please roll over and go back to sleep!!!

 

[WilliamC]

Listen to your mother. She is the voice of experience. Do NOT listen to those folks on this board that would rather sacrifice our country than support someone they feel is less than perfect. If Ron Paul does not win the nomination do not follow these folks and throw a temper tantrum. When I was a youngster doing what they advocate was called "cutting off your nose to spite your face". If you're not sure what that means ask your mother she knows.

Why not listen to your own conscious instead?

Does yours tell you that voting for the lesser of two evils is better than voting for good?

 

[shadowhooch]

McCain and Hillary are two sides of the same coin. I'm really beginning to doubt that the majority of RP supporters are truly for America. Most of you are advocating throwing a temper tantrum because you can't have your way. Hmmm, not a very mature perspective is it? So if I'm right you youngsters are saying if I can't have Ron Paul as my president then screw America it deserves what it gets. To me that is a very selfish and suicidal way of looking at life. Most of you seem to believe that politics are an exact science. I'm sorry to burst your bubble ... it's is about compromise and trying to do the best you can for the most people. Answer this question if you will. Would any of you support Ron Paul as a VP if he doesn't win the nomination? If not why?

Romney is just as bad. All of the Republican candidates ARE JUST AS BAD. They WILL NOT get spending under control. They will not change anything. So why vote for them?

Compromise gets you the same you've always had. I don't see the point of perpetuating crap.

 

[pinkmandy]

GOP Troll. Someone get out your ban stick.

Ita.

Would any of you support Ron Paul as a VP if he doesn't win the nomination? If not why?

You? Not "us"? This is the first time I've called troll but honestly, I really don't know any true RP supporters who think it's okay to vote status quo. The supporters I know will write in Paul's name, not "compromise" on our revolution. Voting for the same thing guarantees we get the same thing. That's as anti-Paul as you can get.

 

[SeanEdwards]

If Ron Paul drops out we need to drop the Republican party and vote for Obama, as much as i hate to say it if that becomes the case i personally would hate to see McCrackhead or Hitlary in power then Obama, cant be any worse. Write in will not help anyone as i used to think. The GOP deserves to lose this race for their blackout and dirty tricks on Ron Paul. If you think I'm wrong why please tell me why.....

This is my thinking too. The idea of writing in Ron Paul is charming, but the idea of punishing the GOP is even more appealing. I mean, a write in candidate is not going to win. Rather than completely throw my vote away on a symbolic write in, I will use it to drive a stake through the heart of the GOP.

 

[WilliamC]

McCain and Hillary are two sides of the same coin. I'm really beginning to doubt that the majority of RP supporters are truly for America. Most of you are advocating throwing a temper tantrum because you can't have your way. Hmmm, not a very mature perspective is it? So if I'm right you youngsters are saying if I can't have Ron Paul as my president then screw America it deserves what it gets. To me that is a very selfish and suicidal way of looking at life. Most of you seem to believe that politics are an exact science. I'm sorry to burst your bubble ... it's is about compromise and trying to do the best you can for the most people. Answer this question if you will. Would any of you support Ron Paul as a VP if he doesn't win the nomination? If not why?

How is it a tantrum to vote for Ron Paul? In my perspective it is not very mature to vote for the lesser of two evils when you have a chance to vote for someone who's record shows he is good.

All this talking like your vote is going to cause America to get screwed is naive. It's corrupt politicians who do this.

 

[SeanEdwards]

Ita.



You? Not "us"? This is the first time I've called troll but honestly, I really don't know any true RP supporters who think it's okay to vote status quo. The supporters I know will write in Paul's name, not "compromise" on our revolution. Voting for the same thing guarantees we get the same thing. That's as anti-Paul as you can get.

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[pinkmandy]

I would vote for a ticket that had Paul as VP.

Then I'd grab my rifle and start stalking the prez.

LMAO.

 

[LynnB]

I just had a very unpleasant conversation with my mother this morning. Although she loves RP and had every intention of voting for him - she is afraid of McCain winning the republican nomination and therefore allowing Clinton to win the general election. So she says that she is voting for Romney here in Florida because she does not want McCain to win (Romney and
McCain are tied here). She thinks that if Romney get the GOP nomination - more people will come out to vote against Hillary. How do we combat this mentality?

Show her this polling result : http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...s/general_election_romney_vs_clinton-230.html
Basically, Clinton wins, and by comparison, McCain and Clinton have almost even point spreads across the polls. But then, they are mirror images of each other.

 

[pinkmandy]

This is my thinking too. The idea of writing in Ron Paul is charming, but the idea of punishing the GOP is even more appealing. I mean, a write in candidate is not going to win. Rather than completely throw my vote away on a symbolic write in, I will use it to drive a stake through the heart of the GOP.

GOP will lose anyway imo. Whether we vote dem or 3rd party. I was disputing voting for ANOTHER GOP candidate if Paul doesn't get the nom. I'm all for teaching them a lesson but will take my chances w/3rd party or a write in. GOP will lose regardless.

 

[Original_Intent]

For those that would vote for Obama to "punish the GOP". How can it be a punishment if they don't know it? How will they see that a bunch of Ron Paul supporters voted for Obama? How will voting for Obama send any kind of message other than "the establishment won again"?

Staying home is no better. The only way to send a message is to write in Paul, if he isn't nominated. Then when there is 5% write in for Paul, and Obama wins by less than 5%, then and only then does the GOP get the message that they screwed themselves. Then and only then does the rest of America see that there are 5% of us that won't settle for the "lesser of two evils" bullshit.

If you vote Dem or stay at home, you are doing exactly what the opposition wants you to do.

 

[Mark37snj]

If Ron Paul drops out we need to drop the Republican party and vote for Obama, as much as i hate to say it if that becomes the case i personally would hate to see McCrackhead or Hitlary in power then Obama, cant be any worse. Write in will not help anyone as i used to think. The GOP deserves to lose this race for their blackout and dirty tricks on Ron Paul. If you think I'm wrong why please tell me why.....

I will absolutely not vote for any of the other canidates. I firmly believe in the Protest vote. Its an actual number that the GOP can see they lost and know what it cost them. Whoever is closest to Pauls position, so that leaves out the Democrats and the rest of the Republicans. But I expect Paul to be in it as long as we keep him in it and I know we will.

 

[pinkmandy]

I will absolutely not vote for any of the other canidates. I firmly believe in the Protest vote. Its an actual number that the GOP can see they lost and know what it cost them. Whoever is closest to Pauls position, so that leaves out the Democrats and the rest of the Republicans. But I expect Paul to be in it as long as we keep him in it and I know we will.

That's my stance, too. The message is important...meanwhile we work on changing the membership rolls of local GOP parties, get RP repubs into elected positions. This is MUCH bigger than one race for one amazing person.

 

[virgil47]

WilliamC, I want to see Ron Paul in the White House as much or even perhaps more than many of the folks on this board. However, if that does not come to pass I am not just going to go off and pout. I believe that our system of government is badly broken and if RP and his ideas do not win this time perhaps his ideas will win in a future election. In order for that to happen the U.S. must still exist in 2012. I firmly believe that if RP does not win then Romney is our best hope for survival until the next presidential election. If McCain or the Democrats win we all lose big time. The very survival of our country and our way of life is at stake here. This is simply to important to play sophomoric games with. Do you really want to see blood running in the streets and government troops on every street corner. I for one do not. If the Clintons take the White House I am afraid that some of RP's more radical supporters will decide it is time to move from the ballot box to the cartridge box. If that happens America will cease to exist as a free nation. The fact that we have so many Nukes will ensure that almost every government on earth will rush to the aid of the U.S. government. It is a no win situation. I'm hoping that if RP does not get the nomination he's offered the VP slot by Romney so many of his ideas can get into the mainstream. I know full well that many of you don't feel that way but I really, really want the U.S. to continue to exist. Please think about what I've said and the implications of a McCain or Democratic win.

 

[shadowhooch]

For those that would vote for Obama to "punish the GOP". How can it be a punishment if they don't know it? How will they see that a bunch of Ron Paul supporters voted for Obama? How will voting for Obama send any kind of message other than "the establishment won again"?

Staying home is no better. The only way to send a message is to write in Paul, if he isn't nominated. Then when there is 5% write in for Paul, and Obama wins by less than 5%, then and only then does the GOP get the message that they screwed themselves. Then and only then does the rest of America see that there are 5% of us that won't settle for the "lesser of two evils" bullshit.

If you vote Dem or stay at home, you are doing exactly what the opposition wants you to do.

I agree. Writing in Ron Paul is the only way to voice to the "establishment" that our needs are not being addressed. That is the only way for them to pay any attention at all.