My feelings on this race

[Mark37snj]

jarofclay, I believe it is you who is the TROLL. If you do not have an opinion and the ability to defend it then please roll over and go back to sleep!!!

No, your the TROLL!!!

 

[SeanEdwards]

For those that would vote for Obama to "punish the GOP". How can it be a punishment if they don't know it? How will they see that a bunch of Ron Paul supporters voted for Obama? How will voting for Obama send any kind of message other than "the establishment won again"?

Staying home is no better. The only way to send a message is to write in Paul, if he isn't nominated. Then when there is 5% write in for Paul, and Obama wins by less than 5%, then and only then does the GOP get the message that they screwed themselves. Then and only then does the rest of America see that there are 5% of us that won't settle for the "lesser of two evils" bullshit.

If you vote Dem or stay at home, you are doing exactly what the opposition wants you to do.

And if we write in Paul, and McLame wins? Then what?

Psychotic warmonger who wants 1,000,000 years of war having control of nukes is not acceptable to me.

I swear to the FSM, that if McCain wins, I'm renouncing my US citizenship and seeking political asylum in a sane country.

 

[davidkachel]

Interesting, but pointless thread.
"If RP isn't the nominee, then I'll vote for ******* and hope we can take 'em the next time."

Boys and girls, there isn't likely to be a next time. Remember, what the Republicans and Democrats "tell us" is no more real than the "Hanna Montana" character.

What they are really after is World War III and the "new world order". At this point it is just as clear as it was in Hitler's time. The fuse is lit and it is Iran, a country which we now know for a fact is no threat to us whatsoever, yet STILL we are going to attack it any day now.

Four years from now our means of fomenting the revolution will be gone in the name of protecting us from the internet via control of the internet. Our voices will be silenced, RP will be discredited and speaking out will get you the focused attention of guys in cheap suits.

We have only two options: get RP elected, or do so much damage to the political system that it can't recover enough to take complete control in less than four years, leaving us one more shot.

But you guys aren't interested in doing any damage. You all think the sheep can hold an election with the permission and control of the wolves and somehow win.

So many of you have said there is no difference between the Republicans and the Democrats, but has anyone stopped to think what that really means??? They are sharing power and have been for a century! Only the individuals care who wins. The parties don't care. They all have the same goal: totalitarianism. Sure each would prefer that it is in control, but regardless, all still get what they want. In fact, the more the voters think the current party in power are scoundrels, the more even the sharing becomes and the happier they all are. Never listen to what they say, only look at what they do. They ALL voted for war. They ALL voted for the patriot act. They ALL want you to have a national ID card.

No vote for any candidate except RP means anything in this or any other election. All other candidates are simply different heads on the same hydra.

We need to stop thinking in terms of "who I'll vote for if" and start thinking in terms of "how much havoc can I wreak?"

 

[shadowhooch]

WilliamC, I want to see Ron Paul in the White House as much or even perhaps more than many of the folks on this board. However, if that does not come to pass I am not just going to go off and pout. I believe that our system of government is badly broken and if RP and his ideas do not win this time perhaps his ideas will win in a future election. In order for that to happen the U.S. must still exist in 2012. I firmly believe that if RP does not win then Romney is our best hope for survival until the next presidential election. If McCain or the Democrats win we all lose big time. The very survival of our country and our way of life is at stake here. This is simply to important to play sophomoric games with. Do you really want to see blood running in the streets and government troops on every street corner. I for one do not. If the Clintons take the White House I am afraid that some of RP's more radical supporters will decide it is time to move from the ballot box to the cartridge box. If that happens America will cease to exist as a free nation. The fact that we have so many Nukes will ensure that almost every government on earth will rush to the aid of the U.S. government. It is a no win situation. I'm hoping that if RP does not get the nomination he's offered the VP slot by Romney so many of his ideas can get into the mainstream. I know full well that many of you don't feel that way but I really, really want the U.S. to continue to exist. Please think about what I've said and the implications of a McCain or Democratic win.

Are you kidding? A vote for Romney is basically voting for 4 more years of George W Bush!!! Romney clearly stated that the War in Iraq was a good idea. He fully supports Bush's foreign policy. If you really believe nominating Romney is the path to victory for the GOP, you are sadly mistaken. It is evident by voter turnout of the Repubs vs the Dems in the primaries. Democrats will win vs ANY Republican "establishment" candidate.

The Republican "John Kerry" stands no chance because he stands for nothing. I vow to stand for something with MY vote.

 

[virgil47]

MARK37snj, can you read, can you reason, if so defend that idiotic remark! Where I come those who can't reason or defend a position lower themselves to name calling just like the little kids in the schoolyard. Sound familiar?

 

[WilliamC]

WilliamC, I want to see Ron Paul in the White House as much or even perhaps more than many of the folks on this board. However, if that does not come to pass I am not just going to go off and pout. I believe that our system of government is badly broken and if RP and his ideas do not win this time perhaps his ideas will win in a future election. In order for that to happen the U.S. must still exist in 2012. I firmly believe that if RP does not win then Romney is our best hope for survival until the next presidential election. If McCain or the Democrats win we all lose big time. The very survival of our country and our way of life is at stake here. This is simply to important to play sophomoric games with. Do you really want to see blood running in the streets and government troops on every street corner. I for one do not. If the Clintons take the White House I am afraid that some of RP's more radical supporters will decide it is time to move from the ballot box to the cartridge box. If that happens America will cease to exist as a free nation. The fact that we have so many Nukes will ensure that almost every government on earth will rush to the aid of the U.S. government. It is a no win situation. I'm hoping that if RP does not get the nomination he's offered the VP slot by Romney so many of his ideas can get into the mainstream. I know full well that many of you don't feel that way but I really, really want the U.S. to continue to exist. Please think about what I've said and the implications of a McCain or Democratic win.

Unless Ron Paul himself endorsed Romney, which I don't think he will, then I won't vote for Romney nor any other candidate that does not, in word and deed, stand 100% behind the Constitution as the only guide for how he would govern.

I just don't think the world is going to end quite the way you seem to.

 

[Mark37snj]

MARK37snj, can you read, can you reason, if so defend that idiotic remark! Where I come those who can't reason or defend a position lower themselves to name calling just like the little kids in the schoolyard. Sound familiar?

From my previous post on page 4 Troll, as you can see I already stated it, do your homework!!!

I will absolutely not vote for any of the other canidates. I firmly believe in the Protest vote. Its an actual number that the GOP can see they lost and know what it cost them. Whoever is closest to Pauls position, so that leaves out the Democrats and the rest of the Republicans. But I expect Paul to be in it as long as we keep him in it and I know we will.

 

[davidkachel]

Hasn't it occurred to anyone that if RP is not the nominee, he will very likely have a stand he'll want us to take that we should ALL follow? And I doubt very seriously that stand will be "vote for a nanny state democrat".

 

[Original_Intent]

While we support Ron Paul, I do not think any of us are delegating our responsibility to think and make our own decisions to Ron Paul, nor would he want us to.

 

[pinkmandy]

MARK37snj, can you read, can you reason, if so defend that idiotic remark! Where I come those who can't reason or defend a position lower themselves to name calling just like the little kids in the schoolyard. Sound familiar?

I just did some searching and you have spent more time on this forum promoting Romney than Paul. Interesting.

 

[davidkachel]

While we support Ron Paul, I do not think any of us are delegating our responsibility to think and make our own decisions to Ron Paul, nor would he want us to.

You're right. We should all ignore any kind of leadership and each go a different direction, focusing our attention on proving how independent and "free-thinking" we are, rather than on getting our freedom back. That's sure to get us somewhere. Look how far it has gotten the Libertarian party in the last half century!

 

[Mark37snj]

I just did some searching and you have spent more time on this forum promoting Romney than Paul. Interesting.

Good work detective!!! I think I will go let a Mod know about virgil47 now.

 

[DAFTEK]

GOP will lose anyway imo. Whether we vote dem or 3rd party. I was disputing voting for ANOTHER GOP candidate if Paul doesn't get the nom. I'm all for teaching them a lesson but will take my chances w/3rd party or a write in. GOP will lose regardless.

If there is a 3rd party then i would vote for that too, hopefully is Paul. But when i hear more and more people say WRITE IN that they will know you are sending a message I'm stuck wondering how much of that is true, what stops them from putting an X to anyone of the empty boxes that has not been done, i think Ron Paul write in will just cause more fraud to happen... How do you write in his name on an electronic machine also? I'm sure some of you have voted full democrat on the house election to send a point to the Republicans, i did! Has it changed anything in the GOP? Maybe not, but if they lose the white house they will consider why if we can get the word out what we will do to get the democrats in power if they don't get their shit straight and stop forcing the media to blackout Paul.

 

[Original_Intent]

You're right. We should all ignore any kind of leadership and each go a different direction, focusing our attention on proving how independent and "free-thinking" we are, rather than on getting our freedom back. That's sure to get us somewhere. Look how far it has gotten the Libertarian party in the last half century!

Nice straw man, and of course I never said that.

I am refuting the argument that IF Ron Paul endorsed say, Mitt Romney, then it is encumbent upon us as Ron Paul supporters to follow that endorsement. To say that because you support a candidate, that if he drops out that you are bound to follow his endorsement is foolish. And this is NOT a straw man, this is almost exactly what was being said.

Certainly our efforts working together are more effective than us each going our own direction, I am a strong believer in coalition building as long as it is not done at the expense of fundamental principle.

Not that I am much worried, I think the chance that Ron Paul would actually endorse any of the current batch of scoundrels approaches zero. So let's croos that bridge when we come to it (likely never).

I think that Ron Paul would be concerned if the grassroots said, in essence "Sir, we supporters stand ready to do whatever you say. Should you drop from the race, we merely await your word, good sir, on what you would have us do!"

If you disagree, you are free to.

edit: having re-read the thread, I can see that my post following yours was seen as a response to your post. I agree with your post preceding mine. I don't think that RP will be endorsing anyone if he drops.

 

[JenaS62]

She doesn't need to worry about it. Let here know that Romney has plenty of support and her single vote will make a much bigger difference for Paul than Romney. Ask her if she would want either of them to be her President, Romney or Hillary. If she doesn't want them she needs to vote for Paul if that's what she believes in.

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I went that route already. The woman has a deep seated fear of McCain. She said she would hate herself in the morning if Romney lost to McCain by only a few votes. BTW - my mother is 73 and I am 45. We've both been down this road before. When I voted for Perot in 92 (along with my dad and my brother) she
was pissed as hell at us for allowing "that Clinton guy" to win.

 

[davidkachel]

...having re-read the thread, I can see that my post following yours was seen as a response to your post. I agree with your post preceding mine. I don't think that RP will be endorsing anyone if he drops.

Yes, that is how I saw your post, as a response to mine.

One of the risks of the internet; misunderstanding.

I think there is the same chance RP will back Romney as there is I will become convinced that Ted Kennedy is a fine human being; that is to say, an infinity of zeros!

My point is that a "revolution" where everyone is "the leader" is not going anywhere. We have a "leader" why not just wait to see what he has to say and would like us to do should he not get the nomination. He is the man we have chosen to follow and unless he starts acting bizarre (very unlikely) then we should probably follow him.

We can all be free-thinking individuals AND work toward a common goal under the guidance of an effective leader, at the same time. This is my major contention with the Libertarians. They have been so busy the last several decades showing how free-thinking and individualistic they are, they have accomplished exactly nothing in all that time. Of course, they will proudly show you how many (not very damn many at all) people they have successfully gotten elected as dog-catcher or to school boards as proof of how far along they've gotten down the road to recovering our liberty!

I just don't want this movement to become as useless and pathetic as the Libertarians. They have no fight in them at all and I fervently hope that will not turn out the be the case with the RP Revolution.

 

[JenaS62]

I hope that RP does give us advise on how to vote if it's not for RP. I want to do what is best for our country.

 

[pinkmandy]

I hope that RP does give us advise on how to vote if it's not for RP. I want to do what is best for our country.

I think he will give some guidance if that is the case. I do know he has said repeatedly that he would not back any of his fellow republicans (unless they radically change their platforms) so that's good enough for me for now!

 

[WilliamC]

I just did some searching and you have spent more time on this forum promoting Romney than Paul. Interesting.

Interesting how that works for some Ron Paul "supporters" isn't it?

heh heh.

 

[PhilA]

A Hillary Presidency is a sacrifice I'm willing to make to teach the Republican Party that they need to change their ways. Every Ron Paul supporter should write Paul in at the General Election to make a statement. This will unquestionably be reported on the News if we can allow Paul to achieve the status of the man with the most write-in votes in a General Election in our nation's history.

Good point. If we get enough Ron Paul votes in the general election, wether he is a candidate or not, the GOP will see the percentage of votes that they COULD have gotten, and why they lost the white house.