Must Libertarians Believe in Open Borders?

[Dianne]

Illegal immigrants aren't eligible for federal benefits. Legal immigrants are not eligible for their first five years.

That's bullshit. http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2014/07/us_spending_252_a_day_per_chil.html

US spending $252 a day per child to care for young illegal immigrants, fourth military base now housing site. The total cost of care is expected to top $2 billion this year and will be covered through HHS.

HHS is you and me, by the way. And those figures are just for the kids.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

If libertarianism is a series of axioms that must be dogmatically stuck to, regardless of what their implementation does to the libertarian civilization, then it's a useless philosophy that needs to be thrown out. Open border types would let their country be overrun by non-white statists, see the last scraps of negative liberty get destroyed, then count that as some sort of victory for the liberty movement. When it comes to statecraft and civilization building, consequentialism is an absolute necessity.

Agree that consequentialism is necessary

Disagree that there's a sound consequentialist case for restricting immigration

 

[Zippyjuan]

That's bullshit. http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2014/07/us_spending_252_a_day_per_chil.html

US spending $252 a day per child to care for young illegal immigrants, fourth military base now housing site. The total cost of care is expected to top $2 billion this year and will be covered through HHS.

HHS is you and me, by the way. And those figures are just for the kids.

That was temporary housing for the wave of unacompanied children who came in last summer. Most are now in other housing such as charities or volunteers or deported.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

So, Americans should want people entering the country illegally who have no interest in assimilating or in communicating with other Americans? Gotcha.

Americans should mind their own business.

 

[RandPaul4Prez]

I don't believe in open borders. It's a form of theft.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

I'm not an anarchist, we don't live in a vacuum in some perfect world, people that advocate for open borders are advocating for the destruction of western civilization. Useful idiots is the least that could be said about open border advocates.

I'd say that the masters so many revere are more of a threat to western civilization than freedom.

It's not like they've detonated 10,000 nuclear warheads, or poison large swaths of earth, or get in pissing competitions leading to a nuclear stand off or anything.

Yes, economic freedom is the real threat.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

"open" is a word used in a specific connotation by politicians to make you feel vulnerable and prone to being robbed/attacked. Should we have less regulation at the border? YES.Should expatriation be free? YES. I want to move to another country, the cost is high and the IRS would audit me on everything.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I also do not believe the border is the problem...here is a short list of the problems that create fear in americans over the border topic:

1.people are unwilling and afraid to defend themselves(perhaps lazy)
2.people believe its your duty to pay taxes to provide for the security of their property(again lazy, unwilling to defend themselves)
3.people believe in militarism and want a berlin wall without understanding that what is kept out also keeps them locked in as prisoner citizens
4.people ultimately think that the government is there to nanny them,and nanny their property.

 

[Michael1928]

Open borders is what those working toward a one world government would like to see.

This. Believing in open borders is unrealistic and nothing but a libertarian extremist pipe dream.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

I don't believe in open borders. It's a form of theft.

Who's stealing what from whom?

 

[Cabal]

This. Believing in open borders is unrealistic and nothing but a libertarian extremist pipe dream.

"Believing in open borders" (whatever that is supposed to mean) is neither here nor there.

You either agree that the State has property rights, or you do not.

 

[Lord Xar]

OPEN BORDERS coupled with a WELFARE STATE coupled with a BIG GOVERNMENT LOOKING FOR DEPENDENTS....

IS FUKKING STUPID

I believe many here, posing as 'libertarians', are actually marxists etc...

 

[The Gold Standard]

OPEN BORDERS coupled with a WELFARE STATE coupled with a BIG GOVERNMENT LOOKING FOR DEPENDENTS....

The question didn't mention a welfare state or a big government looking for dependents.

 

[Cabal]

OPEN BORDERS coupled with a WELFARE STATE coupled with a BIG GOVERNMENT LOOKING FOR DEPENDENTS....

IS FUKKING STUPID

So your argument is that statism justifies more, sustained statism? That's very convenient for the State, and I'm sure it appreciates your obedience and loyalty to it.

 

[presence]

zing

 

[cajuncocoa]

The thought that occurs to me most when I read the topic title "Must Libertarians Believe in Open Borders?" is, a true libertarian would probably say "nobody tells me what I must believe!!" LOL

 

[presence]

Who's stealing what from whom?

government contractors that build and occupy detainment camps, housing, and fences are stealing how much from the common taxpayer, their minions are giving how much tax money away to bait their honey pot?

 

[RJB]

The thought that occurs to me most when I read the topic title "Must Libertarians Believe in Open Borders?" is, a true libertarian would probably say "nobody tells me what I must believe!!" LOL

I was thinking the same thing.

 

[Lord Xar]

So your argument is that statism justifies more, sustained statism? That's very convenient for the State, and I'm sure it appreciates your obedience and loyalty to it.

Not offering illegals welfare is statism? Not offering illegals birthright citizenship is statism? Not allowing hordes of people to come over the border and
overrun the school & medical systems is statism?

Think a little deeper please, your ignorance is costing me money AND growing the power of the state.

I believe history & pudding shows that what you strive for increases the power of the state, MUCH more than what I advocate.

 

[Lord Xar]

The question didn't mention a welfare state or a big government looking for dependents.

when you subsidize something, you get more of it.