More Evidence Proves Nutrition Beats Vaccines in Preventing Disease

[lilymc]

Do it here.

I was going to (I started writing out a post) but what I have in mind really is a whole new topic. And one that might have to go in the religion forum, because it involves God... and of course, talking about stuff like that on a thread like this would only anger or annoy certain people.

 

[lilymc]

Yep.

I'm a natural health nut. That's how I was raised and how I live; I am extremely healthy and try and keep myself informed on a continuous basis.

My family is also very healthy- I have said before that my grandmother, who is in her 70's, looks 50, at the most, walks several miles every day, and has one of the sharpest minds on the planet.

If others want to vax- go for it, but do NOT try to force it on me or my loved ones.

It's cool that you were raised that way, it sounds like you've been healthy your whole life. I was raised on the SAD, and for many years, I was kinda blind to the importance of physical health... up until about two years ago. I just wish I would've had that awakening years earlier.

I couldn't agree more with the last thing you said.

 

[Natural Citizen]

I was going to (I started writing out a post) but what I have in mind really is a whole new topic. And one that might have to go in the religion forum, because it involves God... and of course, talking about stuff like that on a thread like this would only anger or annoy certain people.

It's all good, lilymc. I'll look forward to your topic, then. This one's likely run its course anyway.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Might be interested in reading this: https://www.ncronline.org/news/faith-parish/catholics-urged-remember-common-good-vaccine-debate

Discusses vaccines produced from stem cells (which only covers a couple of them) but stresses "the common good" in getting vaccinated. The cells come from a child aborted over 50 years ago.

"I also want to clarify that nobody at the Catholic Medical Association is against vaccines," Braaton added. "We think that vaccination is a moral good, that it's good for patients, and that it has benefited society greatly. We have a responsibility as moral agents to protect the common good and to immunize ourselves and our children against communicable disease."

This link includes a letter from a Vatican spokesperson. http://www.immunize.org/concerns/vaticandocument.htm

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Goodbye everyone! It has been a great ride!

I wish everyone here the best.

Goodluck in your future endeavors!

 

[Natural Citizen]

Might be interested in reading this: https://www.ncronline.org/news/faith-parish/catholics-urged-remember-common-good-vaccine-debate

Discusses vaccines produced from stem cells (which only covers a couple of them) but stresses "the common good" in getting vaccinated. The cells come from a child aborted over 50 years ago.



This link includes a letter from a Vatican spokesperson. http://www.immunize.org/concerns/vaticandocument.htm

Hm. So from a perspective of Individual Liberty alone, how is it moral to attempt to do good by force (through coercion of Man by Government for example) whether or not claimed to be for his own good or for the so-called common good or general welfare?

Additionally, it is logical to conclude that any precept that the end justifies these means or that these means can be separated from the end is, itself, anti-moral.

 

[Zippyjuan]

They still say it is up to the individual but they encourage vaccines.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Fuck you, asshole.

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ANd it isn't even the first time I've posted it here, Einstein.

I know.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Isn't it awesome that angelatc predictably ignored Ender's post?

 

[Natural Citizen]

They still say it is up to the individual but they encourage vaccines.

Sure. I saw that. The problem, though, is that when laws are introduced in the U.S. for the "greater good", The Individual, unlike the Vatican's view, isn't provided the luxury of choosing what he consumes. Nor is his right to choose even considered when introducing it. This is a case of government-over-man.

The government won't say it's up to The Individual to choose if he wants to consume the product. The government will tell him that he has NO choice if it's written into law. And if he disagrees, then they send those men with guns. You know the ones. Well...if history is any indicator anyway.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Okay, so that was funny. I'm choking over here now. Sht.

Oh, dang, nm. You changed it. It was funny the other way.

 

[angelatc]

. But you've done this before with her name. Several times. Even publicly acknowledging and distributing her first name and last initial with your little snarky and strategic quotation marks in your postings.

For the record, (mod edit) I had no idea her real first name even was Donna. I also have no idea what her last name is. So really, you just outed her.

And so you can't donate, because your ID might leak out. You can't volunteer., because someone might find out who you are...but you're here. (mod edit)

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Okay, so that was funny. I'm choking over here now. Sht.

Oh, dang, nm. You changed it. It was funny the other way.

Awww I want to read the funny one.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

For the record, (mod edit), I had no idea her real first name even was Donna. I also have no idea what her last name is. So really, you just outed her.

And so you can't donate, because your ID might leak out. You can't volunteer., because someone might find out who you are...but you're here. (mod edit).

For the record I think it's awesome that you can insult someone like, what, 20 times in the same thread? And the mods will do absolutely nothing about it besides inexplicably punishing one or more of the people you insulted. Yet if any of us call an obvious troll a troll, we get a PM, warning, neg rep and/or temp ban from a mod/Bryan.

 

[angelatc]

It's cute that you insult people over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. For presenting evidence that proves you wrong, which you ignore. Over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. While demonstrating exactly zero self awareness when you call other people crazy over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

I didn't ask you anything except wtf is wrong with you

Back to the beginning. The title of the thread is "More Evidence Proves Nutrition Beats Vaccines In Preventing Disease."

DonnaY (who always bellows I need to to more research) posted that provided no evidence, and encouraged readers to examine studies comparing unvaxxed kids to vaxxed kids . When I looked for any of those studies, I found another article by the same author that claims thse studies don't exist.

For a rational thinker like me, that sends up a red flag. Since DonnaY is obviously so smart and knows so much, I asked her to provide me the study to which her author was referring.

Her only response was not a study, but was an internet survey with no control groups, no random selection of the participants, and no independent diagnosis of the ailments "reported." She has posted this several times before, and never once has she acknowledged, much less defended the problems with the data and methodology.

Just waiting for her to respond with a real study, comparing vaxxed kids to unvaxxed kids, that prove nutrition beats vaccines.

I already know I'll be waiting forever because it doesn't exist.

 

[Natural Citizen]

For the record, (mod edit) I had no idea her real first name even was Donna. I also have no idea what her last name is. So really, you just outed her.

Well, actually, I'm kinda big. I'm not little. Like when I go to the Chinese restaurant for that spinach stuff, they make, I tower over everyone. Heck, do you know that I can't even cross my legs under a table? True story. I have to sit sideways in the chair. Even just sitting there, my knees lift the table up. Plus I gots guns, angelatc. Big guns. I haven't measured em lately but they're big. Not like Hulk Hogan big. But big. But, no I'm not paranoid at all. I just pay attention. You know? What can I say, I'm a safety guy.

And so you can't donate, because your ID might leak out. You can't volunteer., because someone might find out who you are...but you're here. (mod edit).

Well, sure I can. I can do any of that. And I do. A lot of people know my name here, though. And some even have my phone number. They call me all the time. Do you know why? I'll tell you why. Because I trust them. That's why. They've never given me a reason not to.

In fact, if you ever want to start a project, let me know. I'll help you. I got skills.

I don't even disagree with you that much. you're just a mean old bird most of the time. I can work with it, though. I'm adaptive.

 

[angelatc]

For the record I think it's awesome that you can insult someone like, what, 20 times in the same thread? And the mods will do absolutely nothing about it besides inexplicably punishing one or more of the people you insulted. Yet if any of us call an obvious troll a troll, we get a PM, warning, neg rep and/or temp ban from a mod/Bryan.

She accused me of revealing personal information. She insinuated that I only volunteer in order to data mine info. (So she can't donate or volunteer, of course....someone might find out who she is.)

But I'm the insulting one?

 

[Natural Citizen]

Awww I want to read the funny one.

It wasn't as mean. It was just funny.

 

[angelatc]

In fact, if you ever want to start a project, let me know. I'll help you.

I don't even disagree with you that much. you're just a mean old bird most of the time. I can work with it, though. I'm adaptive.

So you accuse me of revealing personal information, you insinuate that I only volunteer so I can data mine donor info, but then magnanimously you're willing to work with me on a project of my choice.

Yeah, that seems perfectly sane.

 

[angelatc]

Just waiting for her to respond with a real study, comparing vaxxed kids to unvaxxed kids, that prove nutrition beats vaccines.

I already know I'll be waiting forever because it doesn't exist.