Montana preparing to secede !

[nosebruise]

I support secession. I live in Texas now, but am from Wyoming. If Montana decided to secede (I don't actually see that language anywhere in the provided link), I would hope that Wyoming would agree to secede as well. I could see Wyoming seceding before Texas (even though there would definitely be and are a lot of Texans who want to secede now).

if the ball ever actually started rolling on this i'd move straight back to TX. Lone Star State FTW.

 

[acptulsa]

Wisconsin has more insulation than Minnesota--what about the Dakotas?

Speaking of the Dakotas, or more precisely the Lakota Sioux, I expect that if Montana does secede, it will quickly grow.

 

[Anyeong]

Did any of y'all go to school?

Don't you remember at the beginning of every school day where you would stand up by your desk, place your right hand over your heart, and say "I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"?

The majority of the people would react as though a state trying to secede is treason to the rest of the US through this little pledge that has been drilled into their heads since early childhood.

That being said, I was home-schooled since 4th grade and haven't had to deal with it .

GO MONTANA!

Believe it or not, kids across America don't even put their hands on their chest nor chant the pledge anymore in the mornings, sometimes they don't even stand up and teachers don't do anything about it. I've been to so many schools because of moving, and it seems it's not a cool thing anymore, like as if people just don't care about it enough to lift their hands and open their mouths to utter at least a few words, something that they probably feel ashamed of doing since it was something they did when they were little.

 

[jumpyg1258]

Don't you remember at the beginning of every school day where you would stand up by your desk, place your right hand over your heart, and say "I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"?

Why not ask our leaders to honestly follow the pledges they have made? I mean look at what George Bush has done with his pledge to uphold and defend the Constitution!

 

[Sandra]

Or, it was something we did when it meant something.

 

[Drknows]

Montana = Kosovo ?

Yeah i dont think they will approve.

 

[ButchHowdy]

I can finally have my Floss Farm and live amongst the Paulites!!

 

[wv@SC]

Bump!

 

[acptulsa]

I can finally have my Floss Farm and live amongst the Paulites!!

Damn, you're right! I've gotta get my tweezers encrusted! Anyone have some zircon they can spare?

 

[ionlyknowy]

its almost like all these school shooting etc are made to scare the people so they willingly turn in their guns.....well im in mass...if vermont jumps ship ill move to vermont...thank god for these states

actually, all of these school shootings makes me want to start carrying my gun to school for protection.

I think that if someone is old enough to carry then they should be able to carry the gun concealed at college or professional school. Maybe not courthouses or airports, but def. schools in light of all of these shootings.

 

[Knightskye]

with liberty and justice for all

Exactly. That's why we need the 2nd Amendment.

 

[ionlyknowy]

if the ball ever actually started rolling on this i'd move straight back to TX. Lone Star State FTW.

awesome, I moved to san diego from Texas also! What part of Texas are you from... Dallas here.

 

[emilysdad]

... The next step in the slippery slope will be a regulation of ammunition sales and production


The National Rifle Association, which has for the past 20 years presented itself as the nation's premier resource for defending your 2nd amendment rights, has completely missed the larger issue: that the same bill (which would perform an 'end run' around the 2nd amendment) has been proposed in EIGHT states (Maryland, Illinois, Indiana, Mississippi, Hawaii, Tennessee, PA and AZ)



be it enacted by the Legislature of the State of Arizona :

Section 1. Title 41, chapter 12, article 5, Arizona Revised
Statutes, is amended by adding section 41-1772, to read:
START_STATUTE41-1772. Ammunition coding system database; sale of
ammunition; tax; fund; civil penalty; violation; classification;
definition
A. Beginning january 1, 2009, a manufacturer shall code all handgun
and ASSAULT weapon AMMUNITION that is manufactured or sold in this
state. This section applies to all calibers.
b. Beginning january 1, 2011, a private citizen or a retail vendor
shall dispose of all noncoded AMMUNITION that is owned or held by
the citizen or vendor.
c. The department shall establish and maintain an ammunition coding
system database containing a manufacturer registry and a vendor
registry.
D. A manufacturer shall:
1. Register with the department in a manner prescribed by the
department by rule.
2. Maintain records on the business premises for at least seven
years concerning all sales, loans and transfers of ammunition to,
from or within this state.
3. Encode ammunition provided for retail sale for regulated
firearms in a manner that the director establishes so that:
(a) The base of the bullet and the inside of the cartridge casing
of each round in a box of ammunition are coded with the same serial
number.
(b) Each serial number is engraved in such a manner that it is
highly likely to permit identification after ammunition discharge
and bullet impact.
(c) The outside of each box of ammunition is labeled with the name
of the manufacturer and the same serial number used on the cartridge
casings and bases of bullets contained in the box.
4. Pay the tax levied by subsection I of this section.
E. A manufacturer shall not label ammunition contained in one
ammunition box with the same serial number as the ammunition
contained in another ammunition box that is produced by the same
manufacturer.
F. A vendor shall:
1. Register with the department in a manner prescribed by the
department by rule.
2. Record the following information in a format prescribed by the
department:
(a) The date of the transaction.
(b) The name of the purchaser.
(c) The purchaser's driver license number or other government
issued identification card number.
(d) The date of birth of the purchaser.
(e) the unique identifier of all handgun ammunition or bullets
transferred.
(f) All other information prescribed by the department.
3. Maintain records on the business premises for at least three
years after the date of the recorded purchase.
G. The department shall establish the ammunition coding system
database within the framework of any existing firearms databases.
H. Access to information in the ammunition coding system database
is reserved for law enforcement personnel. The department shall
only release information in connection with a criminal investigation.
I. A tax of one-half cent is levied on each bullet or round of
ammunition that is sold in this state. The department of revenue
shall collect the tax and deposit the tax, pursuant to sections 35-
146 and 35-147, in the coded ammunition fund established by
subsection J of this section.
J. The coded ammunition fund is established consisting of monies
deposited pursuant to subsection I of this section. The department
shall administer the fund. Subject to legislative appropriation,
monies in the fund shall be used for the purpose of establishing and
maintaining the ammunition coding system database prescribed by this
section.
K. a manufacturer that fails to comply with this section is subject
to a civil penalty of not more than one THOUSAND dollars for the
first violation, not more than five thousand dollars for a second
violation and not more than ten thousand dollars for any subsequent
violation.
L. a vendor who knowingly fails to comply with this section or who
knowingly falsifies the records REQUIRED to be kept by this section
is guilty of a class 3 misdemeanor.
M. a person who knowingly destroys, obliterates or otherwise
renders unreadable the coding REQUIRED by this section is guilty of
a class 3 misdemeanor.
N. for the purposes of this section, "code or coded" means a unique
identifier that has been APPLIED by etching onto the base of a
bullet or ammunition projectile. END_STATUTE
Sec. 2. Requirements for enactment; two-thirds vote
Pursuant to article IX, section 22, Constitution of Arizona, this
act is effective only on the affirmative vote of at least two-thirds
of the members of each house of the legislature and is effective
immediately on the signature of the governor or, if the governor
vetoes this act, on the subsequent affirmative vote of at least
three-fourths of the members of each house of the legislature.
http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?
inDoc=/legtext/48leg/2r/bills/hb2833p.htm

 

[LibertiORDeth]

Ugh.. the pledge.. I had a group of first graders the other day (i'm a den leader for cub scouts) and asked them what the pledge meant. Noone knew. I asked what form of government we have? (it's stated in the pledge) Noone knew, except for one parent (got it spot-on, Constitutional Republic). Also asked if anyone knew what liberty meant. No clue. One parent said freedom, but then I went on to explain that it's much more than a word, it's a philosophy. And I tried to explain as best I could to a group of 6-year olds the philosophy of self-ownership & liberty. Ugh..

Anyways, I think this is where we need to try to make a difference. If you have children, get involved for craps sake and help "uneducate" these kids before we have another generation like our own.

Heck I'm in Boy Scouts and THEY don't even know anything about our government. I think I might try that, ask them if they know what form of government we have.

 

[Carole]

Along with about 20 other states considering secession.

Vermont seems most serious about it. Maybe part of California. Southwestern states interested.

 

[Carole]

Well, the last line has been trashed in America, so the rest of it is rather meaningless also.

"..with liberty and justice for all."

 

[nbhadja]

I hope they will actually do it.

 

[lynnf]

True Grit and False Bravado

I'm reminded of a line from the movie "True Grit"

"That's bold talk from a one-eyed fat man."

just a lot of hot air!


lynn

 

[ZzzImAsleep]

I've only ever driven through Montana. What a massive state.......

Maybe this country needs another civil war.......

 

[pdavis]

If only the Free State Project could be more successful and push for a similar strategy.

In the mean time maybe we need to work on a new, viral pledge of allegiance?

Ian and Mark from Free Talk Live, both of whom are members of the Free State Project, have talked about and are in full support of secession.