[Milei WINS!] Javier Milei, Austrian econ. prof. & ancap, runs for president of Argentina

LOL!

Did Trumpy say something good about Milei? The 180 is welcomed, but more than curious in your case.
If you bother to read my posts about Milei you will see that I am uncommitted and open minded from the beginning, I remain so.
Trump and Milei have both said good things about eachother, but I'm not about to take a side on Milei because of that, his record is too mixed as yet.
 
Giving Zelensky and the lies out of Ukraine any credibility is a big deal and same goes for all of the demons behind this terrible proxy war. Pretty sure Argentina will never give any money but it's still bad. It's akin to supporting Bush and Cheney over Iraq. Bad judgment on Melei's part.

I don't think he's going to change anyone's mind.
And he still has to walk a tightrope to keep world powers on all sides from destroying Argentina on his watch.
Argentina is in much worse shape than even we are, the last thing he needs is for the IMF and friends to crank up the pressure, and he's already done many things to make them dislike him.
Balancing his good actions with some lip service to the current thing may be the best strategy available to him.
 
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I don't think he's going to change anyone's mind.
And he still has to walk a tightrope to keep world powers on all sides from destroying Argentina on his watch.
Argentina is in much worse shape than even we are, the last thing he needs is for the IMF and friends to crank up the pressure, and he's already done many things to make them dislike him.
Balancing his good actions with some lip service to the current thing may be the best strategy available to him.

Credit where it's due, as much as I hate to say it ( ;) ), this is probably the most reasonable and thoughtful thing I've ever seen you post here.

I hate to do it... but... +rep.
 
I don't think he's going to change anyone's mind.
And he still has to walk a tightrope to keep world powers on all sides from destroying Argentina on his watch.
Argentina is in much worse shape than even we are, the last thing he needs is for the IMF and friends to crank up the pressure, and he's already done many things to make them dislike him.
Balancing his good actions with some lip service to the current thing may be the best strategy available to him.

I don't believe any of that is why he supports Ukraine. He's sincere. Sees Russia bad/Ukraine good. It's very naive and appallingly uninformed. Regardless, I eagerly await to see what happens in Argentina and hope he's very successful on that.
 
Argentine stocks surged in Tuesday’s session following lower-than-predicted February inflation figures and an unexpected move by the central bank, which slashed interest rates by 20 percentage points down to 80% a day earlier.

The Global X MSCI Argentine ETF (NYSE:ARGT), which tracks the performance of an index of Argentine stocks, closed 1.3% higher, snapping a three-day losing streak.

Government data published on Tuesday revealed that in February, consumer prices experienced a 13.2% rise from the preceding month, which was lower than the 15% gain anticipated by economists.
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“We are going to return to respecting the zero deficit in February, despite a drop in revenue. We have continued with the plan of the chainsaw and the blender; the decrease in public spending is 36%. We won’t give up even a millimeter,” Milei stated.
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Central Bank President Santiago Bausili highlighted that “a pronounced slowdown in inflation is observed,” despite the strong statistical drag that inflation brings to its monthly averages.
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Caputo stated Tuesday at the AmCham Summit 2024 in Buenos Aires that lowering inflation is the government’s primary objective.

He also remarked on Milei’s ongoing pursuit of a “competition of currencies,” envisioning the inclusion of the U.S. dollar as legal tender.

He highlighted that the currency competition scheme aims to swiftly collapse inflation. This came after he celebrated the government’s fiscal outcome.
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https://markets.businessinsider.com...lei-pushes-for-dollar-legal-tender-1033156830
 
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I don't believe any of that is why he supports Ukraine. He's sincere. Sees Russia bad/Ukraine good. It's very naive and appallingly uninformed. Regardless, I eagerly await to see what happens in Argentina and hope he's very successful on that.

This is classic deflection propaganda and one-issuing. Milei is obviously pandering to his own political base in Argentina which are generally pro-Israel, and I believe there is a lot of popular sympathy there for Ukraine, although I don't know the cultural reasons for that particular sympathy. There's nothing wrong with a politician showing that he cares about what his people care about. Argentina is broke, this is how Milei got elected in the first place. How in the world is Argentina going to make any material difference in the Ukraine/Russia conflict? It's not. That's why Milei knows he's safe to campaign on this issue and travel to Israel/etc. to show his solidarity. I realize that such gestures are not meaningless but the real test is what he actually does. And the fact is that he literally can't do anything, anyway, because his country is broke! And he has stated a trillion times that his #1 priority is getting Argentina back on its feet, economically, and he has instituted a flurry of policies to that end.

Let me know when Milei cuts a $1billion+ USD check to Ukraine or starts deploying their own soldiers there. Then I'll consider what you're worrying might happen in these comments. Until then, it's a tempest in a teapot being whipped up by Milei's detractors, just like the "Paris accord" scare, which came to nothing.
 
This is classic deflection propaganda and one-issuing. Milei is obviously pandering to his own political base in Argentina which are generally pro-Israel, and I believe there is a lot of popular sympathy there for Ukraine, although I don't know the cultural reasons for that particular sympathy. There's nothing wrong with a politician showing that he cares about what his people care about. Argentina is broke, this is how Milei got elected in the first place. How in the world is Argentina going to make any material difference in the Ukraine/Russia conflict? It's not. That's why Milei knows he's safe to campaign on this issue and travel to Israel/etc. to show his solidarity. I realize that such gestures are not meaningless but the real test is what he actually does. And the fact is that he literally can't do anything, anyway, because his country is broke! And he has stated a trillion times that his #1 priority is getting Argentina back on its feet, economically, and he has instituted a flurry of policies to that end.

Let me know when Milei cuts a $1billion+ USD check to Ukraine or starts deploying their own soldiers there. Then I'll consider what you're worrying might happen in these comments. Until then, it's a tempest in a teapot being whipped up by Milei's detractors, just like the "Paris accord" scare, which came to nothing.

I'm inclined to take him at face value. That could be misguided because, obviously, I don't know him. He seems very forthright, immediately took action on things he said he believes in and that's all I can go on. I did say, previously, I couldn't see him giving Ukraine any state money. That would be both because Argentina doesn't have any and he wants to the country out of debt and I kind of doubt he'd a be foreign aid kind of guy. It's just the very public moral support and it matters on the world stage. On Israel, I don't know if I've even heard him comment on the country or what it's currently doing. It was his trip to New York honoring the Chabad Lubavitch rabbi Schneerson who was a Jewish supremacist and whose followers believe he was the messiah. That would not be pandering to Jews, in general or supporters of Israel as this is it's own cult. Here's something from the rabbi, himself:

The difference between a Jewish and a non-Jewish person stems from the common expression: “Let us differentiate.” Thus, we do not have a case of profound change in which a person is merely on a superior level. Rather, we have a case of “let us differentiate” between totally different species. This is what needs to be said about the body: the body of a Jewish person is of a totally different quality from the body of [members] of all nations of the world …

…An even greater difference exists in regard to the soul. Two contrary types of soul exist, a non-Jewish soul comes from three satanic spheres, while the Jewish soul stems from holiness.

We therefore ask: Why should a non-Jew be punished if he kills even a non-Jewish embryo while a Jew should not be punished even if he kills a Jewish embryo? The answer can be understood by [considering] the general difference between Jews and non-Jews: A Jew was not created as a means for some [other] purpose; he himself is the purpose, since the substance of all [divine] emanations was created only to serve the Jews.”


I'm not saying Melei holds such beliefs. I have no way of knowing. Don't you find it curious, though, that he went all the way to New York for that? I do. Schneerson was from Ukraine, btw. It was also the Chabad gangster, Kolomoisky, who made Zelensky. Kolomoisky owned the TV station that ran Zelensky's comedy TV show where he played a guy who stumbled into being the president of Ukraine. Kolomoisky bankrolled him straight into the actual presidency. Kolomoisky built the biggest Chabad center in Europe, in Dneipro Ukraine. Kolomoisky owned Privat Bank where 1.3 billion from the IMF - backed by US taxpayers - disappeared. So, knowing all that; the Chabad rabbi messiah from Ukraine, Kolomoisky and Zelensky, Melei supporting Zelensky and making the trip to Chabad in NY, do you understand why I took note of it? Does Milei know all that stuff? I have no idea. It's just in my "WTF?" file.
 
I'm inclined to take him at face value... He seems very forthright, immediately took action on things he said he believes in and that's all I can go on.

Sure, but Milei is also a very skilled orator and knows how to work crowds and chooses his policy positions, in part, to help build solidarity with Argentines towards his primary goal, which is the destruction of the Argentine Central Bank. Kissing babies is just part of the job, and what that looks like from one part of the world, to another, varies.

I did say, previously, I couldn't see him giving Ukraine any state money. That would be both because Argentina doesn't have any and he wants to the country out of debt and I kind of doubt he'd a be foreign aid kind of guy.

Exactly. Hence, tempest in a teapot.

Here's something from the rabbi, himself:

:shrugging:

So, knowing all that; the Chabad rabbi messiah from Ukraine, Kolomoisky and Zelensky, Melei supporting Zelensky and making the trip to Chabad in NY, do you understand why I took note of it? Does Milei know all that stuff? I have no idea. It's just in my "WTF?" file.

There is be no doubt in my mind that Milei is not merely what he presents himself to be. Nevertheless, there is also no doubt in my mind that he's completely serious about transforming the Argentine economy, and is going to do so, and I don't give a damn about peripheral issues unrelated to that because when the Argentine economy is transformed more or less overnight as though by a miracle, by founding it on sound money, and so on, this is going to become one of the biggest breaker bars in political debate over economic policy, ever. The communists have had nearly two centuries to prove their "theories", at the cost of hundreds of millions, maybe billions, of needless human deaths. It was still never yet "done right" according to them. As long as Milei stays on the straight-and-narrow, economically, Argentina will be transformed back into an economic powerhouse even greater than it was before its own experiment in socialism (which is soft-communism) destroyed them and their economy. And the body-count will be approximately zero. In fact, a boom in economic prosperity is invariably associated with a population boom, as well, which is why the God-hating, anti-human Marxist globalists do not want actual prosperity. The Marxist "utopia" exists somewhere just above the line of subsistence, even in their own writings. In fact, it's such a hard problem in Marxist theory ("what will we do with all the abundance after we eliminate the capitalist bourgeoisie parasites?") that I recall reading one 19th-century Marxist writer who basically called for a cease-and-desist on all socialists/communists writing about such questions. The real reason for this is that the non-idiots among them know that Marxism does not result in increased prosperity and, even if it did, it would be inherently undesirable to Marxist "utopia"... it would be better to burn the excess of production that could raise the proletariat too far above the line of subsistence because if they begin to have too much leisure, this creates a space in which discontent can breed, and a counter-Marxist revolution could take hold. These people are sick.

Anyone who is opposing that, has my axe. Doesn't mean I see the world their way, but this is Argentina, not America. If they succeed in transforming their economy, they will still be less than the size of the economy of one of our smaller states, so there's no comparison. In other words, Argentina has no actual say in what happens in Ukraine or Israel. But their people may have their own opinion on those conflicts, and that is valid. I'm as opposed to Zelensky as anyone can be, but I respect the sympathy the Argentines have for Ukraine. After all, civilians are dying there, and it's not their fault that is happening. I don't think Putin is strategically wrong, but I still hate to see civilians die, regardless of whose technical fault it is. It's always the "elites" who do the fighting, while us common folk do the dying.
 
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What an insane article. Milei came to power in December 2023, but the article cites all the damage done to Argentina prior to Milei's election and then lays the blame on Milei's policies?

You know it's going to be bad when they use the label "far-right" - that's the press's label for anyone who goes against their prevailing narrative, regardless of their politics.
 
The fat cats say, "Be afraid of freedom! Be very afraid!!"

No, no, no... Not "fat cats"... From the article:
But experts agree that the fiscal adjustments that made those trends possible could provoke a looming recession...

See? Experts. Do you not trust the unnamed experts?! You're a far-right conspiracy racist.
 
Sure, but Milei is also a very skilled orator and knows how to work crowds and chooses his policy positions, in part, to help build solidarity with Argentines towards his primary goal, which is the destruction of the Argentine Central Bank. Kissing babies is just part of the job, and what that looks like from one part of the world, to another, varies.



Exactly. Hence, tempest in a teapot.



:shrugging:



There is be no doubt in my mind that Milei is not merely what he presents himself to be. Nevertheless, there is also no doubt in my mind that he's completely serious about transforming the Argentine economy, and is going to do so, and I don't give a damn about peripheral issues unrelated to that because when the Argentine economy is transformed more or less overnight as though by a miracle, by founding it on sound money, and so on, this is going to become one of the biggest breaker bars in political debate over economic policy, ever. The communists have had nearly two centuries to prove their "theories", at the cost of hundreds of millions, maybe billions, of needless human deaths. It was still never yet "done right" according to them. As long as Milei stays on the straight-and-narrow, economically, Argentina will be transformed back into an economic powerhouse even greater than it was before its own experiment in socialism (which is soft-communism) destroyed them and their economy. And the body-count will be approximately zero. In fact, a boom in economic prosperity is invariably associated with a population boom, as well, which is why the God-hating, anti-human Marxist globalists do not want actual prosperity. The Marxist "utopia" exists somewhere just above the line of subsistence, even in their own writings. In fact, it's such a hard problem in Marxist theory ("what will we do with all the abundance after we eliminate the capitalist bourgeoisie parasites?") that I recall reading one 19th-century Marxist writer who basically called for a cease-and-desist on all socialists/communists writing about such questions. The real reason for this is that the non-idiots among them know that Marxism does not result in increased prosperity and, even if it did, it would be inherently undesirable to Marxist "utopia"... it would be better to burn the excess of production that could raise the proletariat too far above the line of subsistence because if they begin to have too much leisure, this creates a space in which discontent can breed, and a counter-Marxist revolution could take hold. These people are sick.

Anyone who is opposing that, has my axe. Doesn't mean I see the world their way, but this is Argentina, not America. If they succeed in transforming their economy, they will still be less than the size of the economy of one of our smaller states, so there's no comparison. In other words, Argentina has no actual say in what happens in Ukraine or Israel. But their people may have their own opinion on those conflicts, and that is valid. I'm as opposed to Zelensky as anyone can be, but I respect the sympathy the Argentines have for Ukraine. After all, civilians are dying there, and it's not their fault that is happening. I don't think Putin is strategically wrong, but I still hate to see civilians die, regardless of whose technical fault it is. It's always the "elites" who do the fighting, while us common folk do the dying.

You don't have to sell me on any anti communist policies. :) I was just sharing my thoughts on what I see saw as some weirdness. What I think about any of that is inconsequential.
 
... what I see saw as some weirdness...

There is something unusual about Milei, I can't put my finger on it. So I also sense what you sense, although in different words. But I hope that he lives up to his promises of eliminating the Argentine central bank and giving common Argentines a chance to rebuild their economy as it was before it was destroyed by socialism, and beyond. I know they can do it, they have a history of economic flourishing, and other South American countries that have told the globalists to take a hike (e.g. Chile) have gone on to flourish economically.
 

The article gives a mixed review of positive economic indicators and personal pain. What would anyone expect? Take a look at the comments after the article. Argentina has been stealing from the poor to give to the protected class and now that's come to an end and everyone is feeling the consequences of that corruption. It's no longer papered over with welfare crumbs to hide that theft. Now, everyone sees how poor they really are and it's not pretty. If you've been living on credit cards, spending more and more of your money on servicing the debt and suddenly your credit cards are all cancelled, are you poorer than before or just finally seeing reality? There is no other way to get out of debt and stop being a debt slave than to stop spending. It's awful but what is the alternative - keep being debt slaves until the credit cards are cancelled down the road instead of now? One thing I see as sad is that those who have benefited (government workers) at the expense of the public can't really be punished and forced to pay it all back because there's too damn many of them and it's not like the money taken is all in one place and recoverable.
 
No, no, no... Not "fat cats"... From the article:


See? Experts. Do you not trust the unnamed experts?! You're a far-right conspiracy racist.

From the comments:

It's not surprising; the narrative of the text is based on an institute called the Wilson Center, whose donors include the bourgeoisie that daily attacks the working class and families in the Americas.
Link to Wilson Center's 2022 Donors

https://www.wilsoncenter.org/2022-donors
 
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