GHoeberX
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McCain: natural born citizen or not?
I've never started a "McCain is not a natural born citizen" topic before, because I found it a very debatable thing. This time I did make a new topic, because it seems to me that McCain REALLY isn't a natural born citizen. It's in the documents of The Department of State. Look what I found:
7 FAM 1116.1-4 Not Included in the Meaning of "In the United States"
(TL:CON-64; 11-30-95)
a. A U.S.-registered or documented ship on the high seas or in the exclusive economic zone is not considered to be part of the United States. A child born on such a vessel does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of the place of birth (Lam Mow v. Nagle, 24 F.2d 316 (9th Cir., 1928)).
b. A U.S.-registered aircraft outside U.S. airspace is not considered to be part of the U.S. territory. A child born on such an aircraft outside U.S. airspace does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of the place of birth.
c. Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic or consular facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth.
Source: http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86755.pdf
EDIT: I guess my first impression was wrong and this text is meant to explain that being born on a US military installation, is not a direct reason to be a citizen by birth. Having two US-parents IS a reason.
And Yes McCain was a US Citizen all his life, but is he a "natural born citizen"? I somehow keep on doubting about the question :/
I've never started a "McCain is not a natural born citizen" topic before, because I found it a very debatable thing. This time I did make a new topic, because it seems to me that McCain REALLY isn't a natural born citizen. It's in the documents of The Department of State. Look what I found:
7 FAM 1116.1-4 Not Included in the Meaning of "In the United States"
(TL:CON-64; 11-30-95)
a. A U.S.-registered or documented ship on the high seas or in the exclusive economic zone is not considered to be part of the United States. A child born on such a vessel does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of the place of birth (Lam Mow v. Nagle, 24 F.2d 316 (9th Cir., 1928)).
b. A U.S.-registered aircraft outside U.S. airspace is not considered to be part of the U.S. territory. A child born on such an aircraft outside U.S. airspace does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of the place of birth.
c. Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic or consular facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth.
Source: http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86755.pdf
EDIT: I guess my first impression was wrong and this text is meant to explain that being born on a US military installation, is not a direct reason to be a citizen by birth. Having two US-parents IS a reason.
And Yes McCain was a US Citizen all his life, but is he a "natural born citizen"? I somehow keep on doubting about the question :/
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