McCain not eligible for the Presidency?

[LT for the Truth]

Dept of state: McCain not eligible to be president?

McCain was born on August 29, 1936, at the Coco Solo Air Base in the then-American-controlled Panama Canal Zone.
Take a look at this:

From the US State Department website at http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86755.pdf

7 FAM 1116.1-4 Not Included in the Meaning of "In the United States"

(TL:CON-64; 11-30-95)

a. A U.S.-registered or documented ship on the high seas or in the exclusive economic zone is not considered to be part of the United States. A child born on such a vessel does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of the place of birth (Lam Mow v. Nagle, 24 F.2d 316 (9th Cir., 1928)).

b. A U.S.-registered aircraft outside U.S. airspace is not considered to be part of U.S. territory. A child born on such an aircraft outside U.S. airspace does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of the place of birth.

c. Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic or consular facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth.

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President -- The Constitution of the United States, Article II Section 1

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[hueylong]

This is the 50th time this crap has been posted. Give it up.

 

[StarKissed]

I think the same group has one out on Hitlery, saying she's Irish. LOL

No idea if any of these are true or not.

 

[Paul4Prez]

Never give up the Constitution

This is the 50th time this crap has been posted. Give it up.

Rules are rules. Is someone born on leased land in Panama eligible, or not?

Bush and Cheney already got away with breaking the rules 8 years ago, since they were both residents of Texas when they won, and residents of the same state can't be on the same ticket. (Cheney claimed his Wyoming vacation home as his residence, even though he lived and worked in Texas.)

 

[JWZguy]

Well, I'm sure. It's ridiculous.

Congress first extended citizenship to children born to U.S. parents overseas on March 26, 1790, under the first naturalization law: "And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond sea, or outside the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens."
http://rs6.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llsl&fileName=001/llsl001.db&recNum=226

 

[Dr.3D]

It doesn't matter if somebody is born under a rock on Mars if their parents are citizens of the U.S. then they are too!

 

[MrZach]

It doesn't matter WHERE you were friggin born! lol... If you're born to US Citizens, you're a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. He's eligible. Geez... Keep dreaming, lol...

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

Rules are rules. Is someone born on leased land in Panama eligible, or not?

Bush and Cheney already got away with breaking the rules 8 years ago, since they were both residents of Texas when they won, and residents of the same state can't be on the same ticket. (Chenney claimed his Wyoming vacation home as his residence, even though he lived and worked in Texas.)

BUMP!

Dick Chenney is a Liar, Coward(5 waivers from serving in VIETNAM), and EVIL SOB... don't ever forget that, so is his son GEORGE MORON BUSH!


Since when does the US government follow rules or the CONSTITUTION? Government does at they please, have a completely different set of rules, and when they are caught, it's a slap on the wrist, compared to "John Q. Public"

It only applies to the poor and middle classes... that's why we're having this REVOLUTION!

 

[FortWorth38]

Withdraw McCain..It is your duty

"Although he is a citizen of the United States, he is not a natural born citizen. That requirement can only be changed by a Constitutional amendment. And, if he is to be true to his oath to "support, protect, and defend" the Constitution as it now stands, then Senator McCain should withdraw from the presidential race immediately."

Please read article from Military.Com http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,161251,00.html

 

[1000-points-of-fright]

"Although he is a citizen of the United States, he is not a natural born citizen. That requirement can only be changed by a Constitutional amendment. And, if he is to be true to his oath to "support, protect, and defend" the Constitution as it now stands, then Senator McCain should withdraw from the presidential race immediately."

Please read article from Military.Com

Bullshit, his parents were US citizens therefore he is a natural born US citizen. The First Congress, on March 26, 1790, approved an act that declared, "The children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond sea, or outside the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural-born citizens of the United States."

 

[FortWorth38]

I Call Your "Bullshit" and raise you a $100.00

There were no foreign based US military forces at the writing of the U.S. Constitution, therefore, it is impossible that the intent of the Constitution was to have babies born to civilian wives of military personnel be considered "Natural Born Citizens." The only authority the government may lawfully exercise, through the U.S. Congress, is to declare these children to be "naturalized Citizens" at birth based upon the U.S. , Congress's authority "establish an uniform rule of Naturalization." I must reiterate, not the U.S. Congress, the U.S. Supreme Court nor the President of the United States is "authorized" to define or change the meaning, definition, or intent of "Natural Born Citizen" as prescribed by the authors of the Constitution.

The original "intent" and therefore meaning and definition of "Natural Born Citizen" is one free white man being delivered through natural progression of a pregnancy, born within the geographical boundaries of one of the several States of the union, and later the District of Columbia. This is very clear and simple and what it means is born HERE.


In the Fourteenth Amendment the eligible group allowed Citizenship was expanded from free white men to "All persons." This would have been better stated “all people” to avoid the bogus recognition of a corporation being a "person.” This would have been better as it would have clarified the meaning as intended, which is having rights of people but lacking any of the liabilities. One cannot imprison a corporation, but that is for a later article.


The Fourteenth Amendment, Section 1 actually defines "natural born citizen" by stating, "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."


One’s wishes of what one feels things should be must yield to facts of law and one must accept the way things are according to the law until such time one is able to change the law.


There are two types of Citizenship in the United States, Natural Born and Naturalized. The fourteenth amendment defines "Natural Born Citizen" as persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof. It goes on to explain that there exists a dual Citizenship that includes the United States and of the State in which one lives. This in itself serves to demonstrate that Natural Born Citizen being born in the United States means within one of the several united States of America.

 

[Antonios]

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=browse_usc&docid=Cite:+8USC1401

TITLE 8--ALIENS AND NATIONALITY

CHAPTER 12--IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY

SUBCHAPTER III--NATIONALITY AND NATURALIZATION

Part I--Nationality at Birth and Collective Naturalization

Sec. 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States
at birth:
(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the
jurisdiction thereof;
(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian,
Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the
granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any
manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal
or other property;
(c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying
possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United
States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or
one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person;
(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying
possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States
who has been physically present in the United States or one of its
outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to
the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but
not a citizen of the United States;
(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States
of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has
been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying
possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to
the birth of such person;
(f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States
while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his
attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the
United States;
(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United
States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an
alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to
the birth of such person, was physically present in the United
States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling
not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining
the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable
service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of
employment with the United States Government or with an
international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of
title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such
citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent
unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person
(A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or
(B) employed by the United States Government or an international
organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included
in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this
paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or
after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become
effective in its present form on that date; and
(h) a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24,
1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an
alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who,
prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States.

 

[FortWorth38]

That is great information in regards to Immigration Antonios .....
The point is this topic is in regards to McCain being Eligible or NOT to hold the highest position (President) in the United States of America.
Although he is a citizen of the United States, he is not a natural born citizen

 

[Catatonic]

Hi.

This is my understanding, according to the constitution there are two types of citizens, natural born and naturalized. Only natural born are eligible to be president. According to the 14th ammendment, only citizens born on american soil are natural born, which would mean mccain is naturalized.

Thats how I understand the argument that he's not eligible.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

According to the constitution you're either born here, or you're naturalized here. Mccains citizenship is guaranteed due to his parents being citizens, however he's not natural born according to the constitution. thats my understanding, but i havn't looked into it too much since I don't think it really matters. We've pretty well destroyed the constitution, i don't expect anyone to pay attention to this.