Martin Luther King Day - Strategy WHY is this such an important day for a moneybomb?

[Arek]

I thought the next money bomb was gonna be going a long the side with the telethon idea. I think Common Sense day would be a better day.

 

[Teflon Master]

I personally prefer Rosa Parks. She did the same thing that we held a money bomb for not too long ago - peaceful civil disobedience. Ron Paul has publicly commended her and offered his own money to mend her an honorary medal. She fought against institutionalized racism based on tyrannical and moronic notions that black people deserve to be ruled (despite the fact African immigrants are the "smartest" group in America today). Plus, it would make all the Stormfags squirm.

 

[cicatrice]

I like MLK a lot better than I did Guy Fawlkes (whoever HE was), and I donated on that day didn't I? As a matter of fact, I have donated in each and ever money bomb y'all have posted, because i like Ron Paul and I LOOOOVE his message.

I think MLK would be more of a gesture of good will towards those who are falling for the Old Media's "white supremeist" and "racist" remarks - unless y'all would rather pick someone else to honor like Rosa Parks, George Washington Carver, Maclom X, etc., etc., etc.

Unless you think it will make all of them thar white supremists mad and they withdraw their support for Ron Paul?

Exactly. I'm going to make some sweeping generalizations here but I think I'm somewhat on track:

The general public is unfamiliar with Guy Fawkes. But the November 5th money bomb seemed to be tied more closely with the revolutionary aspect of the movie V for Vendetta which worked from this Guy Fawkes theme.

But everyone knows MLK Jr. name and thus they have already accumulated a lot of emotions, opinions, and what have you, along the way. You can spark people much quicker with something that is deemed common knowledge hence you could easily inspire just as well as offend.

 

[JosephB]

Excellent analysis EvilNight. You expressed many of my sentiments on the issue. Now I don't have to write a long post like yours! Great work! You've hit the nail of the head on why Jan 21 MLK day is a great day for another money bomb. I also suggest street action this day.

 

[Antonius Stone]

I maintain that a vigil honoring Gandhi would be better, but...

 

[Highstreet]

bump

 

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

nt

 

[Man from La Mancha]

Definitely for all other ways to support Ron, including canvasing, but I'm not so limited to do both are you? watch this Brave heart speech by a real person and not a movie character.

watch......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDRA3XFfDr4

"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice" Barry Goldwater
Real good clips of Reagan, Goldwater, Kennedy, Booby Kennedy, Malcome X and MLK

at about 3:40 minutes hear MLK give the the Brave Heart speech 40 yr earlier

As so many with faults and maybe being what your ideas of a hero is but 4 of these men died of what they finally believed. And martin was a great Orator so less honor the best in these men for what we believe in and learn of their past but honor their ultimate dreams of freedom.

 

[Man from La Mancha]

COMPLETE and UTTER B.S.

Read this from the Lew Rockwell website:


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So what, it's what every sheeple believes about this stuff about their heros so lets use it. Lincoln sucked too but they still all loved him and it would be a good money bomb. Duhh

Lincoln Unmasked
by Thomas J. DiLorenzo
by Thomas J. DiLorenzo


DIGG THIS

After the publication of my 2002 book, The Real Lincoln, I continued to research and write on the topic. Among the things I’ve learned since then is that Abraham Lincoln was a far worse tyrant than I portrayed him as being in that book. A thousand times worse.

I’ve also learned that there is only one genuine Lincoln scholar in America – David Donald – and he’s retired. The rest are all Lincoln cultists and court historians. The cultists, like Harry Jaffa and his merry band of Straussians, ignore actual American history, fabricate a false history, or dabble in semantics and word games in order to portray The Great Centralizer as a god-like figure. They routinely refer to him as "Father Abraham" and compare him to Jesus or Moses. They do this because their agenda is not only the deification of Lincoln, but of executive power and nationalism in general.

Their modus operandi is to provide propaganda for the foreign policy imperialism wing of the Republican Party and for the cause of dictatorial executive power, a cause that George W. Bush has embraced wholeheartedly. They assist politicians like Newt Gingrich, who recently advocated the invasion and occupation of Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and North Korea (Wall Street Journal Online, Sept. 7) in an article that began with a Lincoln quote and was peppered with other Lincoln quotes to make his case for what he calls "World War III."

The false legend of Abraham Lincoln that they have contrived is used as moral cover for foreign policy imperialism and the pursuit of empire. That’s why they have just announced that their Claremont Institute "statesmanship" award for 2006 will be presented at a black tie dinner to Victor Davis Hanson, the Lincoln-quoting, National Review Online propagandist for the war in Iraq (and for just about every unconstitutional, illegal, or immoral act the Bush administration has engaged in while prosecuting that unnecessary war).

The court historians run the gamut from hard-core leftists like Eric Foner, who opposed the breakup of the Soviet Union (saying Lincoln wouldn’t have allowed it) to mainstream liberals like Doris Kearns-Goodwin (author of Team of Rivals) and Mario Cuomo (author of Why Lincoln Matters: Today More than Ever, co-authored with Lincoln cult leader Harold Holzer). Like the Straussians, they too have found the false legend of Abraham Lincoln to be useful to their political agenda, whether it is socialism, as with Foner, or welfare statism, as with Goodwin and Cuomo.

In the academic world there exists a Church of Lincoln, but that church is built of straw (perhaps manure would be more accurate). The religious rhetoric that is used to describe Dishonest Abe, who was probably an atheist, is misleading and useless as far as understanding American history is concerned. That of course is the purpose of it.

The overwhelming majority of works on Lincoln judge him by his words and not his deeds. Any politician could be made to look like a saint with that methodology. And when some of his more dastardly deeds, such as micromanaging the waging of war on fellow citizens, are mentioned they are always obscured by a mountain of hollow excuses, rationales, cover-ups, and justifications.

The Lincoln cultists and court historians fancy themselves as gatekeepers of The Official Truth. They connive, network, and politic to censor opposing viewpoints, and often behave in a crude and boorish manner in doing so. Readers of LewRockwell.com know all about their hysterical and uncouth reaction to The Real Lincoln. Many of the same characters reacted just as hysterically (and foolishly) to Tom Woods’ Politically Incorrect Guide to American History.

But the gatekeepers are failing. The Gate is beginning to rust. My new book, Lincoln Unmasked: What You’re Not Supposed to Know About Dishonest Abe, released on October 10, is designed to quicken the rate of oxidization.

After a very brief summary of some of the key points that I made in The Real Lincoln, the next seventeen chapters of Lincoln Unmasked present entirely new material that sheds new light on "Dishonest Abe" and on the gatekeepers as well. (The final five chapters are grouped under the heading, "The Politics of the Lincoln Cult.")

Many of the most famous quotes of Lincoln are proven fakes, for example. He never even said "You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time, but you can not fool all the people all the time." The Lincoln cultists and court historians use many of these fake quotes to present a false image of their "Father Abraham."

I also devote a chapter to the meeting Lincoln had with a number of free black men in which he implored them to lead by example and migrate to Liberia, in Africa. Fortunately for them, they ignored his plea.

Lincoln was a white supremacist all his life (as were most white people of his era) and it was actions such as this that caused some of the most prominent abolitionists to vigorously denounce him and his regime as phonies and fakes with regard to their pronouncements about human freedom. I devote a chapter to such denunciations by the great libertarian/abolitionist from Massachusetts, Lysander Spooner.

One of the most insidious acts of the gatekeepers is keeping Americans from understanding their true history as a people. The Jeffersonian, states’ rights tradition, for example, has been whitewashed from the history books thanks to the efforts of several generations of gatekeepers and court historians. I explain the truth about states’ rights, which was an important Northern as well as a Southern political doctrine prior to 1865. I also explain some of Dishonest Abe’s Big Lies about the doctrine and why he was truly the anti-Jefferson.

In The Real Lincoln I made the case that Lincoln’s (and the Republican Party’s) "real agenda" was the old Hamilton/Clay mercantilist agenda of protectionist tariffs, corporate welfare, central banking, the creation of a giant political patronage machine, and the pursuit of an empire that would rival the British empire. Lincoln Unmasked takes this much further and goes into more detail about the true mercantilist origins of the Republican Party (which hasn’t changed much); Lincoln’s personal corruption as a railroad industry lobbyist; the fact that he literally owed everything, politically, to northern protectionists; and his key role in cementing central banking into place in America. These topics were all mentioned in The Real Lincoln, but in different ways and not in as much detail as in Lincoln Unmasked.

Several chapters are devoted to just how the Lincoln cultists employ the Lincoln legend to "justify" foreign policy imperialism, "totalitarian bureaucracy" at home, the abolition of civil liberties, blind obedience to the state, and even imprisoning opponents of the regime’s wars. All of this is patently un-American, and the "sainted" Lincoln is invoked to "justify" it by the Lincoln cult.

Readers of Lincoln Unmasked will also learn that, since the publication of The Real Lincoln, a number of books have been published by very distinguished authors that support or confirm my analysis. This includes a book by a New York Times editorial writer, a former U.S. Navy Secretary, a distinguished University of Virginia historian, a liberal who writes for Harper’s, The New Yorker, and The New Republic, a "popular historian" who has authored a dozen books, a well-known journalist, and a prominent business historian. The "gate" really is beginning to rust.

Over the past several years I have received hundreds (maybe thousands) of emails from people who have read my writings about Lincoln’s suspension of habeas corpus, his imprisonment of thousands of Northern war dissenters, his shutting down of hundreds of opposition newspapers, his not-so-hidden economic agenda, and other well-documented facts and have asked: "Why wasn’t I taught that in school?" Or, "I was a history major in college and I never heard of that!" The chapters of Lincoln Unmasked devoted to the gatekeepers explain why.

I have also received countless emails asking me for reading suggestions. Lincoln Unmasked includes an appendix on "What They Don’t Want You to Read." Read the Lincoln cultists (if you can stand it) and read some of my suggested readings, and decide for yourself what’s true and what’s not about Dishonest Abe, his war, and his legacy.

October 12, 2006

Thomas J. DiLorenzo [send him mail] professor of economics at Loyola College in Maryland and the author of The Real Lincoln: A New Look at Abraham Lincoln, His Agenda, and an Unnecessary War, (Three Rivers Press/Random House). His next book, to be published in October, is Lincoln Unmasked: What You’re Not Supposed To Know about Dishonest Abe (Crown Forum/Random House).

Copyright © 2006 LewRockwell.com

DefinitelyI'm all for all other ways to support Ron, including canvasing, but I'm not so limited to do both are you? watch this Brave heart speech by a real person and not a movie character.

watch......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDRA3XFfDr4

"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice" Barry Goldwater
Real good clips of Reagan, Goldwater, Kennedy, Booby Kennedy, Malcome X and MLK

at about 3:40 minutes hear MLK give the the Brave Heart speech 40 yr earlier

As so many with faults and maybe being what your ideas of a hero is but 4 of these men died of what they finally believed. And martin was a great Orator so less honor the best in these men for what we believe in and learn of their past but honor their ultimate dreams of freedom.

 

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

nt

 

[Mark Rushmore]

Why do any more 'moneybombs' after the 16th - period? I'm all for donations, thematic donations, clever donation drives - but this seems the point to retire the 'moneybomb' gimmick and get creative again - give people a break from this style of donation and introduce some new ones.

Only my opinion of course.

 

[Birdlady]

Whatever idea/day the next money bomb is around, please make it on a weekday. I think we lost a good deal of money because the last one was on a Sunday.

 

[ConstitutionGal]

If we're trying to actually win new supporters from the actual Republican base, a MLK money bomb is not the way to do it, especially in those states that Dr. Paul desperately needs to carry in the south. This would go over about as well as a celebration of Lincoln. Stick with historical figures or events from the founding era and we stand a lot less chance of alienating certain segments of the country.

 

[Dieseler]

Still stuck on stupid I see.
Pick a theme for a money bomb, not a controversial cult of personality.
You see I've had this shit shoved down my throat all my life in public school with the black history month and all and I grant ya a bunch of others feel the same way. (Nausea)
Don't piss off potential voters.
MLK moneybomb is a bad idea.
Go to a black church this weekend and tithe if you wanna impress some black folk.
Hell, tell us how it went, that would impress me to.
There now, I'm no longer politically correct.
Are you happy?

 

[rodent]

I most certainly will NOT support this. It has nothing to do with MLK, but the fact that some of you ought to have the common sense not to use such a controversial figure when we're still relative unknowns to most people and have low name recognition.

Blacks will see it as pandering.
Whites will see it as alignment with collectivist politics and the welfare state.

We are not at a perfect America yet. You guys seriously need to think through stuff like this. MLK is one of the reasons substantial numbers of southern democrats (the ones who'd like Huckabee) defected to the republican party. If you think you're immune from that political reality just because it's 2007, you are sadly mistaken.

 

[TwiLeXia]

Big deal, MLK didn't share all of the same views Ron Paul does. Did Guy Fawkes?

MLK is a hero in the eyes of America, even black people. Pandering my butt, Ron Paul wouldn't be accused of it because it's his SUPPORTERS who organized this. Instead Ron Paul will be known as the candidate whose supporters organize these extraordinary tributes to the leaders of our past.

MLK is this country's uniting factor. I don't care what sort of stuff you MLK haters pull out of little-known essays about what MLK was and was not. Frankly, America doesn't give a crap. They treasure people like FDR, MLK, Lincoln, Jesus (Jesus is probably the biggest socialist in history, yet no one's gonna bring that up) and any association with these heroes of America will do nothing but good for the impression of this campaign on the American spirit.

So the question is do we have to choose the PERFECT role model? Yes, there are plenty of birthdays, but MLK is by far the most prominent and memorable one. The date is inspirational, revolutionary, and significant, and in my honest opinion, it frankly doesn't matter who MLK really was, it is his legacy that counts.

 

[Dieseler]

So the question is do we have to choose the PERFECT role model?

Like Jesus? No, just use a theme...

 

[Ernest]

This is a huge mistake. This is pandering and will ultimately backfire.

 

[Ernest]

Big deal, MLK didn't share all of the same views Ron Paul does. Did Guy Fawkes?

MLK is a hero in the eyes of America,

No he is not. Just because the government made his birthday a holiday, having to force some states to acknowledge it, does not make him an American hero.


If the idea is to unite us and help to raise large sums of money for Dr Paul. This is not it.

 

[LibertyEagle]

MLK is this country's uniting factor. I don't care what sort of stuff you MLK haters pull out of little-known essays about what MLK was and was not. Frankly, America doesn't give a crap. They treasure people like FDR, MLK, Lincoln, Jesus (Jesus is probably the biggest socialist in history, yet no one's gonna bring that up) and any association with these heroes of America will do nothing but good for the impression of this campaign on the American spirit.

You appear to have a love of socialists, because you just named a number of them. However, if you want to win the Republican nomination, and last time I checked, that was our goal, I would not advise that you try to attach this campaign to FDR, MLK, OR Lincoln. Hint: Conservatives do not tend to like socialists. Or, were you thinking we would win the REPUBLICAN primary with only crossover votes?