Mark just called me and told me our healthcare plan just got canceled.

[LibForestPaul]

And when we all refuse, they can .......

And people think kids are stupid.
Follow their example ... Repeat after me ... I will not comply !

No one has asked what it would be like IF no one had insurance.

Damn yungins stealin my free medicare.

 

[LibForestPaul]

"I am a fat fuck with diabetes who don't take my meds and sits on my ass all day watchin restlin. Where's my free bypass? Pass me a donut. I paid my nickel to medicare, give me free meds for the next 30 years." - American Moron.

 

[James Madison]

"I am a fat fuck with diabetes who don't take my meds and sits on my ass all day watchin restlin. Where's my free bypass? Pass me a donut. I paid my nickel to medicare, give me free meds for the next 30 years." - American Moron.

This is why a single-payer healthcare system would be an even bigger mess than Obamacare. I'll pass on it, but there are worse fits for countries like Sweden and Norway -- health conscious, hard working, etc. The U.S., on the other hand, is too fat, too lazy, and too entitled.

 

[ghengis86]

My company's rates went up because the old plans didn't meet the zero-care mandates. The increase in premiums and deductible was directly related to zero-care. The company's funded portion increased in both size/contribution and as a percentage of the total paid compared to the year prior. BOTH THE EMPLOYEE AND EMPLOYER HAVE A HIGHER OUT OF POCKER COST DUE TO OBAMACARE

Premiums jumped ~25% and deductible by $2,000.

A guy making $45k has to pay ~$700/month in premiums with a deductible of $7k and max out of pocket expense of $10k/year for a family of 5. His take home pay is 51% of what his salary is after taxes, insurance, withholding! That's insane!

 

[emilynghiem]

Has anyone tried any of the Christian "medical cost sharing" plans? As I understand it, they're exempt from the Obamacare requirements and function something like a Co-op for sharing costs.

"Medi-Share" through http://mychristiancare.org/ is the largest one, although there are others.

Generally speaking, from what I've read, it appears to be a good deal, at least in theory. But I'm not sure how it stacks up against "real" insurance.

http://www.medi-shares.org

Medi-shares is another one, which actually operates as insurance coverage.
My friend who recommended it found a plan for 300 a month.

I want to find such a company or coop that plans to take the money
and build teaching hospitals and provide medical education, not just
paying insurance companies that only pay for services.

I would rather invest in longterm plans of how to provide sustainable
cost effective and natural health provisions and services.

buying insurance doesn't necessarily invest in creating jobs or facilities in low cost health care.
would like this option to be offered equally as a more sustainable solution for working toward accessible health care for morepeople

 

[KCIndy]

Has anyone tried any of the Christian "medical cost sharing" plans? As I understand it, they're exempt from the Obamacare requirements and function something like a Co-op for sharing costs.

"Medi-Share" through http://mychristiancare.org/ is the largest one, although there are others.

Generally speaking, from what I've read, it appears to be a good deal, at least in theory. But I'm not sure how it stacks up against "real" insurance.

http://www.medi-shares.org

Medi-shares is another one, which actually operates as insurance coverage.
My friend who recommended it found a plan for 300 a month.

I think we're referring to the same company. Looks like Medi-Share recently changed its name to MyChristianCare.org.

Looks like the other big player in the field is http://samaritanministries.org/

Both of these are Christian organizations that offer health cost sharing instead of - and exempt from - Obamacare.

My apologies in advance - I'm not trying to derail this thread, but if this information is valid and can prevent people from getting sucked into the incomprehensible morass of Obamacare... well...

 

[azxd]

Damn yungins stealin my free medicare.

More like they are, in effect, telling the slave owners to stick it

As are all who refuse to sign up this mandated (forced IRS threat) debt creation scheme.

 

[osan]

Affordable Care Act my [ass].

Name is half-measure. What people neglected to ask was, "affordable for whom?".

The answer: for all the parasitic trash who refuse to work even if a job were available.

Just as "To protect and serve" indicates no subject, thus with "affordable care".

As I so often repeat: language matters. Competent language skills matter. Good listening and analytic habits matter.

We destroy ourselves by allowing Themme to talk us into taking their poisons. There is nobody here to blame but ourselves for any of this.

As for healthcare: our deductibles just went up TEN TIMES. Not double or triple or even quadruple, but a full order of magnitude.

Unless we throw these people off our backs, this is how our lives are going to go - spiraling ever downward until "life" no longer applies to what it is we live, but rather merely "existence". Anyone thinking this is going to get better with words is fooling themselves. It gets better with action ranging from our refusal to obey to cutting Theire throats, if necessary.

Remember Malcolm X's words: "by any means necessary". Forget that asshole commie prick Martin Luther King Jr. He was a tool in the wrong hands and of the worst sort. X had the right idea, though he was applying it against the wrong enemy.

We have damned well better start getting smart or our gooses are cooked. Health care may seem an odd place for this brand of diatribe, but when you find yourself slaving away and cannot afford to be seen by a doctor for a life-threatening malady, you will see just how appropriate it is and how costly has been our failure to act properly.

 

[brushfire]

Is it time yet, to bring some pots and pans to Washington?

 

[tod evans]

Is it time yet, to bring some pots and pans to Washington?

Nah, the strongly worded letters have 'em quaking in their panties....

 

[Occam's Banana]

Is it time yet, to bring some pots and pans to Washington?

Only if you get the proper permits first ...

 

[emilynghiem]

Remember Malcolm X's words: "by any means necessary".

I'm ready to organize teams by party and send resolutions to party leaders
demanding to separate policies and funding for health care, citing these religiously held differences:
A. prochoice vs. prolife views on funding abortions and birth control
B. legalization issues and who is going to pay for health issues correlated with marijuana addictions or smoking
C. immigration issues, and whether people believe in earned amnesty and paying back for health care, education and other costs
while residents are in process of naturalization
D. differences in beliefs regarding the death penalty or life imprisonment, health care for criminally ill,
and research into spiritual healing for longterm treatment and cure of mental and criminal illness (instead of funding medications only)

The bill or amendment I'd like to write up would
demand that party leaders and members RECOGNIZE the right
to exercise and fund our own beliefs about health care, private or public,
mandatory or charitable and voluntary, without harassment, abuse, censorship or penalty imposed by members of other parties with conflicting beliefs.

This is pursuant to Amendment One Religious Freedom, Amendment Fourteen Equal Protection of the Laws from Discrimination by Creed,
and Fourth-Seventh Amendment Rights to security from unwarranted searches and seizures and not being deprived of liberty without due process of law.

Having different political views is NOT a crime to be punished or penalized by the state for seeking to practice these freely and financially responsibly.

So this bill proposed would authorize "Singlepayer advocates" to set up their own IRS payment and health care network systems through
the Democrat and Green Party to pay for health care automatically according to their beliefs in mandatory or voluntary participation and funding; while those who believe in funding health care with respect to free market and state rights can fund their own alternatives through the Libertarian and Republican Party by membership.

Instead of taxation without representation, the taxes and funding on health care could be divided either proportionally
or by registered membership through the policies that people choose to fund and follow, even electing their own reps and voting
on their own programs through their own Party.

If taxes are mandatory, these should be separated where people are not forced to fund policies or programs against
our political or religious beliefs; these should be separated, and possibly voluntary, similar to religious activities.

In no way should either Party be allowed to abuse political, legal, legislative or media influence collectively
to deny, abridge, infringe upon or discriminate against any individual person for having different political or religious beliefs
about health care which is a private choice.

Only when one commits a crime or imposes costs beyond ability to pay does this impose on others.

There was no "due process" to prove that lawabiding taxpayers "committed any crime or violation" to lose our rights
to choose health care and how to pay for it, before these mandates were imposed to take away those freedoms.

To remedy this, the ACA should be interpreted as optional, where funding and following it is voluntary by Party.

Otherwise, if the ACA is imposed as mandatory by federal law and taxation, it is establishing the equivalent of a establishing a national political religion, which not all citizens believe in and cannot be forced to fund or follow against our will.

Anyone who wants to help write this up, I believe that members of each Party should address their own leaders,
write up their own resolutions, and have the other Party members co-sign under them.

And separate the health care policies and funding by Party to recognize free and equal choice under the Constitution.

Thank you.

 

[Deborah K]

Nice, Emily! +rep! We need a lawyer. I wonder if the American Center for Law and Justice would take this on?

 

[Deborah K]

Here's some stuff the ACLJ is doing re: Obamacare http://aclj.org/obamacare

He's pro-Israel, but I'm not a purist -