Marijuana Users?

[Kludge]

I am still alive. Thats proof enough.

I have this opinion. I am a person. Therefor, all persons hold this opinion.

 

[pcosmar]

Prove me wrong.

You made the blatantly false statement, You prove it.
I can state what I know from MY experience, and what I have observed in thousands of users over the years.

Marijuana is a mind-altering substance.

So is coffee. So is nicotine
Though I prefer Mood altering as a more accurate descriptor.

The most "visible" effects are pleasurable sensations,

If your sensations are visible, you are doing a much stranger drug.
Pleasure is one of the effects, as well as a stimulated awareness, creativity, relaxation, etc.

paranoia (extreme anxiety)

Only caused by the Legal status of the substance, and the very real threat of harm.
I would not consider concerns about a real or eminent threat, paranoia.

and dependency.

NOT. I have never experienced, nor have I seen anyone else experience any withdrawal when quiting. This is an unsupported myth.

As well, it often contains as many (more or less) cancerous agents as tobacco, which can lead to lung cancer if smoked regularly.

It would be nice to see an actual study done. But then if they could study that they might also be able to study some of the benefits. Which is why there are few studies and little research.

If you find out what causes cancer, let me know.
It is found in people and organisms that don't use tobacco.

 

[Kludge]

So is coffee. So is nicotine
Though I prefer Mood altering as a more accurate descriptor.

Agreed.

If your sensations are visible, you are doing a much stranger drug.
Pleasure is one of the effects, as well as a stimulated awareness, creativity, relaxation, etc.

The makings of a recreational drug.

Only caused by the Legal status of the substance, and the very real threat of harm.
I would not consider concerns about a real or eminent threat, paranoia.

From a pro-marijuana website

"'The collective symptoms that occur when a drug is abruptly withdrawn and known as "withdrawal syndrome' and are often the only evidence of physical dependence"

According to animal research and controlled studies of marijuana smokers during treatment of addiction, suggest that marijuana , just like with other drugs of addiction, experience withdrawal symptoms of many types. Symptoms of marijuana addiction are similar to smoking tobacco, the craving.

Marijuana withdraw symptoms include, irritability, anger, depressed mood, headaches, restlessness, lack of appetite, and cravings for marijuana. Symptoms of marijuana withdrawal first appear in serious habitual users within the first 8 hours and are the most noticeable during the first 10 days, but withdrawal symptoms may last as long as 45 days The withdrawal from marijuana is identifiable by behavioral and emotional distress.

“Most people think marijuana is a benign drug, and there is disagreement in the scientific community about whether withdrawal causes significant symptoms. I think that it depends on the persons personality. For an example, some one who has a history of anger, depression, brain disorders, or even uses another drug with marijuana, can boost the symptoms of marijuana withdrawal. People who use marijuana without thinking of consequences also show a great deal of withdraw because there altered perception or ideas on marijuana and feel that they have a need for it.

The best way to avoid the symptoms are to use it in small doses and avoid taking it on a daily basis. Using marijuana takes allot of responsibility in deciding when the drug is appropriate to use at the current time. Its not good for a person to think that they can do anything "normal" while using marijuana because it leads to habitual use. it's like drinking and driving, Don't smoke if you are going to do something that requires allot of concentration , labor, operating a vehicle or machinery. Its just common sense.
[h4]The symptoms of marijuana withdrawal include but are not limited to:[/h4]

irritability
anxiety
physical tension
decreases in appetite and mood
stomach pain
physical tension
restlessness
anorexia
insomnia
increased aggression / anger
strange dreams

Because Marijuana is an illegal substance, many people consider any use of marijuana as substance abuse. However, this is said because substance abuse is a maladaptive pattern of repeated substance use created by recurring common adverse consequences (effects and side effects). Not everyone suffers the withdraw symptoms of marijuana, and uses it just to have a good time, or for an recent injury that is causing allot of pain (broken bone, major burn, abrasion, chronic pain). Its good to practice to take a break from marijuana for a month or longer so the withdraw symptoms can be identified by the person themselves and countered with a few remedies that really work.
[h4]Things that can help you take a break from marijuana include but not limited to,[/h4]
writing a daily log of events
listening to music
taking walks
hanging out with someone who doesn't use marijuana
remind yourself to think positive
set an goal to achieve (an period of time to quit)
tell others what you are doing for yourself

There are many more ideas people can use to avoid the withdrawal symptoms of marijuana, as long as they are positive about it and not using some other drug or tobacco to cover the side effects. Having just one negative thought can trigger any withdraw symptom listed at the top of the page.

Lastly the strength to quit smoking marijuana comes from the person them selves. Marijuana should NOT be blamed for addiction because the effect it has. If you think you will have a problem using it, Don't use it then. It's all about responsibility.

THINK BEFORE YOU DO IT!"

It would be nice to see an actual study done. But then if they could study that they might also be able to study some of the benefits. Which is why there are few studies and little research.

Agreed. That said, current studies [1][2][*3] do not show any evidence that benefits outweigh the risk (assuming it were legal). That it is procured against the law can only lead me to believe it has some type of addictive quality.

If you find out what causes cancer, let me know.
It is found in people and organisms that don't use tobacco.

80-95% of everything I'm told I'm used to receiving "tobacco is more dangerous then marijuana" arguments via the Mort Jr. crowd (I haven't bumped that video in a long while...) and felt I should have brought it up...


*Is a "pro-marijuana" study. However, the wording is very "weaselly", such as when they call dependency a myth EXCEPT for those few who smoke regularly

 

[pcosmar]

I have been a tobacco used most of my life. I quit twice and experienced the symptoms described.
I quit once for almost a year and the second time for about a year and 1/2. well past any addiction.
I started again simply because I enjoy tobacco.

I have in my past used marijuana and at times profusely, regularly and in large quantities.
I have never had any more reaction to doing without than "bummer, wish I had a doob."
I have been non using for quite some time, Due to piss tests, legal ramifications, and low income.

Were those conditions to change I would welcome a nice buzz.

I also know and have known Successful Business Owners and Professionals in several fields that used recreationaly.
A lot of the negatives are hype.

 

[ryanmkeisling]

I have been a tobacco used most of my life. I quit twice and experienced the symptoms described.
I quit once for almost a year and the second time for about a year and 1/2. well past any addiction.
I started again simply because I enjoy tobacco.

I have in my past used marijuana and at times profusely, regularly and in large quantities.
I have never had any more reaction to doing without than "bummer, wish I had a doob."
I have been non using for quite some time, Due to piss tests, legal ramifications, and low income.

Were those conditions to change I would welcome a nice buzz.

I also know and have known Successful Business Owners and Professionals in several fields that used recreationaly.
A lot of the negatives are hype.

I am one and I easily pull down six figures when I want to do the work. I was surprised to see Kludge post such an Anslinger type response. There have been no studies done to support the slurs in that pro-marijuana site. You do not use it therefore have no real evidence beyond internet propaganda. There are certain strains which can produce paranoia and anxiety, but never as ugly as that site predicts. There is a strain called Flo which when picked about a week early is just as powerful as good LSD. Cannabinoids have not been studied enough to even know what they can do; there are more of them than simply THC and different strains exhibit different combinations of cannabinoids which yeild different results in the user. In fact two doctors in spain recently found that pure THC injected into brain tumors in mice completely stopped the growth of the cancer and caused it to die off. Turns out an American university study, commisioned by the US government in the 40's or 50's, produced the same results but was then buried for posterity. Check out the real evidence that your government would prefer you never heard:

http://cannabisculture.com/articles/5129.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/04/17/health/webmd/main2696726.shtml

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729.html

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/1816.html

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/1569.html

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/1435.html

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/3016.html

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/3254.html

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4946.html

 

[soapmistress]

I have been a tobacco used most of my life. I quit twice and experienced the symptoms described.
I quit once for almost a year and the second time for about a year and 1/2. well past any addiction.
I started again simply because I enjoy tobacco.

I have in my past used marijuana and at times profusely, regularly and in large quantities.
I have never had any more reaction to doing without than "bummer, wish I had a doob."
I have been non using for quite some time, Due to piss tests, legal ramifications, and low income.

Were those conditions to change I would welcome a nice buzz.

I also know and have known Successful Business Owners and Professionals in several fields that used recreationaly.


A lot of the negatives are hype.

Everything you just said... to a tee.

 

[Bruno]

As well, it often contains as many (more or less) cancerous agents as tobacco, which can lead to lung cancer if smoked regularly.

There's really no reason why anyone HAS to use marijuana, and is primarily used as a recreational drug, as much as people push it for its sketchy ability to prevent cancer (or to help patients deal with pain).

1) The mortality rate of lung cancer is approximately 30%. Therefore, lung cancer results in death in 30% of the people it afflicts. In more than 10,000 years of use, there has NEVER been a single death attributed to marijuana in world history. It's impossible, therefore, to propose that marijuana causes lung cancer.

2) There's really no reason why anyone HAS to do anything. There's no reason for us to spend time on these forums, but if we do so without causing harm to others, that should be our right. If some people want to use marijuana for recreational or medicinal purposes, that should be their right also (I'm sure you probably agree with this on principle, Kludge).

These are miraculous plants with the ability to coalesce with the human mind. How this can make you any less of a person is beyond me.

+1

Actually Marijuana has never been proven to kill brain cells.Smoking Marijuana does, but if it is consumed in food it is safe.

Marijuana does not kill brain cells. The THC binds with unique receptors in the brain to produce the sensations and effects it has on the brain. It is not metabolized through the liver, and therefore also has no level of toxicity. It is simply not possible to overdose on marijuana nor does it cause brain damage.

 

[Matt Collins]

Why, though? Why should what another person does in their spare time matter, provided that it doesn't hurt anyone?

If it weren't for your brand of thinking, we wouldn't have to fight so desperately to get men and women like Ron Paul into public office.

We have a tie for the "retard" awards.



The question they never ask themselves.

What the hell are you talking about? I think the two of you have used too much of the object at the center of this discussion.

I am not saying we should make policy based upon my personal opinion. I don't think it should be illegal, anyone who wants to put anything they want into their body should be free to do so.

In other words people should be free to make their own decisions, even if those decisions are poor choices and could even lead to self-demise.


And so now you are saying I am not entitled to my opinion?

Hypocritical clowns.

 

[Mach]

Cannabinoids

Here is some very "technical" information, it's some tumor/cancer cannabis study information.

"Remarkably, cannabinoids kill glioma cells selectively and can protect non-transformed glial cells from death." (yes, this is a good thing)

Hypothesis

Cannibinoid Research


Here's a video to check out.

Cannabis Cures Cancer - "Run From The Cure" The Rick Simpson Story


..........at least click over to 27:47 and listen to the Doctor/Professor

 

[constituent]

What the hell are you talking about? I think the two of you have used too much of the object at the center of this discussion.

I am not saying we should make policy based upon my personal opinion. I don't think it should be illegal, anyone who wants to put anything they want into their body should be free to do so.

In other words people should be free to make their own decisions, even if those decisions are poor choices and could even lead to self-demise.


And so now you are saying I am not entitled to my opinion?

Hypocritical clowns.

start with an ad hom.

ends in a total f*n canard (who said you weren't entitled to your own opinion)

no marijuana here. just some m.d. acquired turbo, thanks.

oh yea, and when your opinion is....

Never used it. Never tried it. Have no intentions of it. I'm 26, college educated and think less of people who use it....oh and I don't think it should be illegal either...

if you don't want to be called a retard or insulted in any other way, don't start flinging insults.

reminds me of a saying, "it's one thing for people to call you a dumb-ass, it's another to open your mouth and prove it."

 

[Raditude]

I have stopped as of late since I live in my van now, and don't want to hot box the smell in it permanently. That's all I need is to be pulled over with that smell, or my boss smell it on me and start suspecting something.

I do use it though when I am at a friend's house. It helps the back, knee and Fibromyalgia pain, plus it's a great anti-depressant.

I would love to see it legalized, for many reasons. Who are they to wave their finger?

 

[weslinder]

I don't, but the last option represents so much of my life that I couldn't pass it up.

 

[ARealConservative]

Never used it. (I prefer my intoxicants made in Tennessee, consumed in a shot glass).

made in a county that makes it illegal to consume what they manufacture.

You should swear the stuff off out of principal alone.

 

[ARealConservative]

Sign me up as a retard as I also look down on people that are daily users of MJ.

Life is too short to spent in a stupor. Nothing is so great that I would do it daily, unless I needed it for survival.

I also look down on people that refuse to try it based on utter falsehoods about safety and dependence. Life is also too short to be a sucker believing in utter bullshit.

 

[Kludge]

Curiosity bump.

 

[Bruno]

Curiosity bump.

Did you answer your own question? Just curious.

Sign me up as a retard as I also look down on people that are daily users of MJ.

Life is too short to spent in a stupor. Nothing is so great that I would do it daily, unless I needed it for survival.

I also look down on people that refuse to try it based on utter falsehoods about safety and dependence. Life is also too short to be a sucker believing in utter bullshit.

The suckers believing in utter bullshit are the ones who believe the government propaganda about the plant. It is The Big Lie.

I smoke daily, and it was in fact smoking that brought me to the R3volution. I was high as a kite on night looking on the Cannabus Culture website or Pot-TV and when they first mentioned RP as a candidate who supported ending the drug war that was a Republican I was stoked. Looked more into him and here I am now. Hell, I would say ganja is like the red pill which starts one on the path of realizing, hey the government lied to me, what else are they lying about!

It was for me the first time I smoked it!

 

[acptulsa]

I still have a very strong, yet very old (and very prickly) length of rope. How should I answer--and am I a criminal?

 

[Kludge]

I still have a very strong, yet very old (and very prickly) length of rope. How should I answer--and am I a criminal?

If you use it, yes - and maybe.

 

[Bruno]

I still have a very strong, yet very old (and very prickly) length of rope. How should I answer--and am I a criminal?

Good rope. They have found old shipwrecks hundreds of years old with still-good hemp rope on them. It doesn't degrade in salt water as quickly as other natural fiber ropes. It was therefore the reason it was used for centuries as the strongest rope known to man, as well as for sails on ship. The word canvas comes from the word cannabis, afterall.

 

[Scofield]

I smoke recreationally, when I am in school (I live on campus).

I'm home on break (Rosh Hoshana), so I haven't smoked in a week, but I'll probably start up again when I get back to school. I don't use it as a crutch, just to have some fun with some friends. Those who haven't tried it shouldn't knock it. It will make you have awesome thoughts and feel more mellow for an hour or two, and then you're back to your normal state of mind.

I hate when people talk down to recreational marijuana users....I used to be one of them, but I've since changed my ways. I had friends who smoked, and I always thought they were "rebels" so I thought less of them (not less persay, just thought they were trouble makers), but now that I have smoked, I understand that I was completely off base. It's just a fun pastime to partake in when you have nothing else to do. If you're bored and you want to toke up, awesome. Now missing work or school because you want to smoke is a different issue, but just smoking during the downtime when you're bored...I have no problem with that, and no one else should either.