Man Made Global Warming; Does it exist, Yes and its a fact; Is it bad? Not so much...

[The_Orlonater]

This "global warming" is a fucking hoax.
Way to go Al Gore.

 

[Acala]

no

Another sociological mind. Ever get into phenomenology?

Never been into phenomenology.

 

[torchbearer]

Never been into phenomenology.

The study of language and how we imply meaning into the sounds we hear.
The phenomenon of understanding each other through mediums with each other.
You have a good sense of understanding when it comes to the essence of ones arguments.
TO a degree, symbolic interactionist in a way.

 

[torchbearer]

This is some of the true power hidden within sociology.. to gain understanding... how do we gain it? etc.

phenomenology
http://www.phenomenologyonline.com/inquiry/1.html

 

[Anti Federalist]

Seven graphs to end the warming hype

These are the seven graphs that should make you ask: What? Has global warming now stopped?

Look for yourself. They show that the world hasn’t warmed for a decade, and has even cooled for several years.

Sea ice now isn’t melting, but spreading. The seas have not just stopped rising, but started to fall.

Nor is the weather getting wilder. Cyclones, as well as tornadoes and hurricanes, aren’t increasing and the rain in Australia hasn’t stopped falling.

What’s more, the slight warming we saw over the century until 1998 still makes the world no hotter today than it was 1000 years ago.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/.../column_seven_graphs_to_end_the_warming_hype/

 

[amy31416]

And I just saw Gore yesterday on Meet The Press (I believe), being interviewed by Tom Brokaw. He's the chicken little of this crap and his entire legacy is based on it. When pressed about where the money will come from, he had no good answers. He made some mention of how we Americans managed to get together for WWII and make that happen, so we can do this too!

What a tool. And mention was made of Obama having him as part of some cabinet or something.

 

[Anti Federalist]

And I just saw Gore yesterday on Meet The Press (I believe), being interviewed by Tom Brokaw. He's the chicken little of this crap and his entire legacy is based on it. When pressed about where the money will come from, he had no good answers. He made some mention of how we Americans managed to get together for WWII and make that happen, so we can do this too!

What a tool. And mention was made of Obama having him as part of some cabinet or something.

But of course.

And of course they will use the Dubya Dubya eye eye references as well: look at all the great things, according to them, that came out of that conflict.

Wage and Price controls.

Income tax witholding.

Gasoline rationing.

Forced internments.

Military draft.

Civilian snoop squads.

Just to name a few, off the top of my head.

 

[Jason T]

I find it hilarious some people call Ron Paul fringe, when Al Gore is... out there.

Gore opposes any increase in fossil fuel production, wants us to have 100% wind/solar power by 2018, and wants our tax system to be entirely based on pollution.

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On the meet the press, when he was asked about possible forms of hypocrisy, he said "My goal isn't to be perfect, my perfect is to get the message out there." The guy even admits he's a propagandist. Funny, he claims he flies in private jets because sometimes he just can't schedule his life around having to fly on commercial airlines all the time.

If Al Gore can't even change schedule around so his life is possible w/o private jet travel, I don't see how he can expect other people to actually change their lifestyle beyond changing their lightbulbs.

 

[amy31416]

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On the meet the press, when he was asked about possible forms of hypocrisy, he said "My goal isn't to be perfect, my perfect is to get the message out there." The guy even admits he's a propagandist. Funny, he claims he flies in private jets because sometimes he just can't schedule his life around having to fly on commercial airlines all the time.

If Al Gore can't even change schedule around so his life is possible w/o private jet travel, I don't see how he can expect other people to actually change their lifestyle beyond changing their lightbulbs.

Ahh yes, he did indeed say that. When questioned about his hypocrisy about his 11,000 square foot house, he justified it by saying that he has solar panels--that's great! How many of us can afford to have solar panels?

It's an older article, but it's good:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2006-08-09-gore-green_x.htm

Gore isn't quite as green as he's led the world to believe
Updated 12/7/2006 5:45 PM ET E-mail | Save | Print |


Enlarge By Rusty Kennedy, AP

Former Vice President Al Gore shakes hands with a woman after signing a copy of his book An Inconvenient Truth for her, in Philadelphia last month.



By Peter Schweizer
Correction: In this column that appeared Aug. 10 on the Forum Page, writer Peter Schweizer inaccurately stated that former vice president Al Gore receives royalties from a zinc mine on his property in Tennessee despite his environmental advocacy. He no longer does, as the mine was closed in 2003.

Al Gore has spoken: The world must embrace a "carbon-neutral lifestyle." To do otherwise, he says, will result in a cataclysmic catastrophe. "Humanity is sitting on a ticking time bomb," warns the website for his film, An Inconvenient Truth. "We have just 10 years to avert a major catastrophe that could send our entire planet into a tailspin."

ON DEADLINE: Your thoughts?

Graciously, Gore tells consumers how to change their lives to curb their carbon-gobbling ways: Switch to compact fluorescent light bulbs, use a clothesline, drive a hybrid, use renewable energy, dramatically cut back on consumption. Better still, responsible global citizens can follow Gore's example, because, as he readily points out in his speeches, he lives a "carbon-neutral lifestyle." But if Al Gore is the world's role model for ecology, the planet is doomed.

For someone who says the sky is falling, he does very little. He says he recycles and drives a hybrid. And he claims he uses renewable energy credits to offset the pollution he produces when using a private jet to promote his film. (In reality, Paramount Classics, the film's distributor, pays this.)

Public records reveal that as Gore lectures Americans on excessive consumption, he and his wife Tipper live in two properties: a 10,000-square-foot, 20-room, eight-bathroom home in Nashville, and a 4,000-square-foot home in Arlington, Va. (He also has a third home in Carthage, Tenn.) For someone rallying the planet to pursue a path of extreme personal sacrifice, Gore requires little from himself.

Then there is the troubling matter of his energy use. In the Washington, D.C., area, utility companies offer wind energy as an alternative to traditional energy. In Nashville, similar programs exist. Utility customers must simply pay a few extra pennies per kilowatt hour, and they can continue living their carbon-neutral lifestyles knowing that they are supporting wind energy. Plenty of businesses and institutions have signed up. Even the Bush administration is using green energy for some federal office buildings, as are thousands of area residents.

But according to public records, there is no evidence that Gore has signed up to use green energy in either of his large residences. When contacted Wednesday, Gore's office confirmed as much but said the Gores were looking into making the switch at both homes. Talk about inconvenient truths.

Gore is not alone. Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean has said, "Global warming is happening, and it threatens our very existence." The DNC website applauds the fact that Gore has "tried to move people to act." Yet, astoundingly, Gore's persuasive powers have failed to convince his own party: The DNC has not signed up to pay an additional two pennies a kilowatt hour to go green. For that matter, neither has the Republican National Committee.

Maybe our very existence isn't threatened.

Gore has held these apocalyptic views about the environment for some time. So why, then, didn't Gore dump his family's large stock holdings in Occidental (Oxy) Petroleum? As executor of his family's trust, over the years Gore has controlled hundreds of thousands of dollars in Oxy stock. Oxy has been mired in controversy over oil drilling in ecologically sensitive areas.

Living carbon-neutral apparently doesn't mean living oil-stock free. Nor does it necessarily mean giving up a mining royalty either.

Humanity might be "sitting on a ticking time bomb," but Gore's home in Carthage is sitting on a zinc mine. Gore receives $20,000 a year in royalties from Pasminco Zinc, which operates a zinc concession on his property. Tennessee has cited the company for adding large quantities of barium, iron and zinc to the nearby Caney Fork River.

The issue here is not simply Gore's hypocrisy; it's a question of credibility. If he genuinely believes the apocalyptic vision he has put forth and calls for radical changes in the way other people live, why hasn't he made any radical change in his life? Giving up the zinc mine or one of his homes is not asking much, given that he wants the rest of us to radically change our lives.

Peter Schweizer is a research fellow at the Hoover Institution and author of Do As I Say (Not As I Do): Profiles in Liberal Hypocrisy.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Yes, I already knew that Al Gore is a hypocrite.

My idea is that we should transition all government buildings to "green technology," and the military should start switching to alternative energies. It won't be good to have a military without any oil.

 

[CUnknown]

ronpaulhawaii said:

scienceandpublicpolicy.org — Mathematical proof that there is no “climate crisis” appears today in a major, peer-reviewed paper in Physics and Society, a learned journal of the 10,000-strong American Physical Society, SPPI reports.
Quote:
Lord Monckton’s paper reveals that –

* The IPCC’s 2007 climate summary overstated CO2’s impact on temperature by 500-2000%;
* CO2 enrichment will add little more than 1 °F (0.6 °C) to global mean surface temperature by 2100;
* Not one of the three key variables whose product is climate sensitivity can be measured directly;
* The IPCC’s values for these key variables are taken from only four published papers, not 2,500;
* The IPCC’s values for each of the three variables, and hence for climate sensitivity, are overstated;

* “Global warming” halted ten years ago, and surface temperature has been falling for seven years;
* Not one of the computer models relied upon by the IPCC predicted so long and rapid a cooling;
* The IPCC inserted a table into the scientists’ draft, overstating the effect of ice-melt by 1000%;
* It was proved 50 years ago that predicting climate more than two weeks ahead is impossible;
* Mars, Jupiter, Neptune’s largest moon, and Pluto warmed at the same time as Earth warmed;
* In the past 70 years the Sun was more active than at almost any other time in the past 11,400 years.

This is typical of global warming deniers, failing to get the facts straight and relying on hype and personal belief.

From the APS website, front-page today:

APS Climate Change Statement

APS Position Remains Unchanged

The American Physical Society reaffirms the following position on climate change, adopted by its governing body, the APS Council, on November 18, 2007:

"Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth's climate."

An article at odds with this statement recently appeared in an online newsletter of the APS Forum on Physics and Society, one of 39 units of APS. The header of this newsletter carries the statement that "Opinions expressed are those of the authors alone and do not necessarily reflect the views of the APS or of the Forum." This newsletter is not a journal of the APS and it is not peer reviewed.

So, ronpaulhawaii, your claim that global warming denial made it to a "major, peer-reviewed paper" is completely false. That paper was neither major, nor peer-reviewed. Please get your facts straight next time before posting someone else's propaganda.

 

[AFM]

Can we just ban this asshole
If he really wants to be green shouldn't he just kill himself
Think of all the methane being released from his asshole just at this moment
Dude is a serious greenhouse gas machine. Do the right thing Maji!
EARTH FIRST!

 

[CUnknown]

electronicmaji -

I was going to lay into you, but judging from the reaction from everyone else on this board, perhaps it would be better for me to ally with you instead. Maybe I'll do some of both. Let's examine your claims one at a time:

I'd just like to place out my views on the Global Warming idea. Global Warming is happening thats a fact. The earth is getting warmer there is no refute to it. Are humans the cause? To some extent yes; all the scientists say this and all the data point to it.

This is irrefutable at this point. It is utterly mind-boggling to me that anyone would even attempt to argue with this. All respectable climate scientists agree. Is there possible that some moronic climate "scientist" at some community college thinks that global warming is a hoax? Sure. Who cares? Likewise, all the other scientists who doubt global warming are not climate scientists and they likely have never studied the topic, so their opinion is of no more importance than someone on the street.

Warmer temperatures = Better for Agriculture.

This is a dubious, unproven hypothesis. All things being equal, yes, I bet you're right. However, all things aren't equal. Is rising sea level, coastal innundation and rising salinity good for agriculture? Are hurricanes, tornadoes, and the flooding of the Mississippi good for agriculture? Are wildfires? Drout?

But whole cities will most likely not be flooded, unless they are built at sea level. In fact the whole impact of the water rising will not be a major problem in the United States.

1-5 feet of sea level rise is huge, and in reality the upper bound is higher still. New York and DC would be endangered at that upper bound, just about all of Florida would be in danger of being submerged. And even at the lower bound, it would greatly add to storm surge during hurricanes, and that with the addition of "category 6" hurricanes due to higher temperatures would endanger an enormous number of coastal cities worldwide, but also in the US.

Global warming is a major, major issue, one that potentially threatens us as a species.

 

[Anti Federalist]

electronicmaji -

This is irrefutable at this point. It is utterly mind-boggling to me that anyone would even attempt to argue with this.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=147185&page=5

Shows graphs of "normed" world temperatures declining since 1998.

One question: if man made conditions are causing "climate change" (note even pro Kyoto command and controllers don't even call it "global warming" anymore) then why are the Martian ice caps melting?

Mars, too, appears to be enjoying more mild and balmy temperatures.

In 2005 data from NASA's Mars Global Surveyor and Odyssey missions revealed that the carbon dioxide "ice caps" near Mars's south pole had been diminishing for three summers in a row.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html

What is far more likely to end the human race is government, specifically the continuing research into 100% mortality bio weapons, generally the whole slew of mass genocide weaponry already in government's arsenal.

Every solution to "global warming" that I've seen gives more power to the very forces that are working night and day to really destroy us.

Recognize the "global warming" scam for the power and property grabbing scheme that it is.

 

[Jason T]

the military should start switching to alternative energies. It won't be good to have a military without any oil.

They're already building coal-to-liquid plants. Thank god they don't care about that green shit, the last thing I want is solar powered tanks.

 

[CUnknown]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=147185&page=5

Shows graphs of "normed" world temperatures declining since 1998.

I don't know if those graphs are accurate, but there is a clear uptrend in average temperature in them. Funny you would use them as evidence for your point of view.

One question: if man made conditions are causing "climate change" (note even pro Kyoto command and controllers don't even call it "global warming" anymore) then why are the Martian ice caps melting?

Mars, too, appears to be enjoying more mild and balmy temperatures.

In 2005 data from NASA's Mars Global Surveyor and Odyssey missions revealed that the carbon dioxide "ice caps" near Mars's south pole had been diminishing for three summers in a row.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html

I don't see how Mars has any relevance to global warming on Earth. If Mars is warming, it could be doing so for different reasons than those on Earth.

What is far more likely to end the human race is government, specifically the continuing research into 100% mortality bio weapons, generally the whole slew of mass genocide weaponry already in government's arsenal.

I am not defending weapons of mass destruction, nor would I ever do so. They are a possible cause of the extinction of the human race, I agree.

Every solution to "global warming" that I've seen gives more power to the very forces that are working night and day to really destroy us.

Recognize the "global warming" scam for the power and property grabbing scheme that it is.

Some may be using global warming as an excuse to expand the government's power. That doesn't mean that global warming is not real. And some of our major enemies -- George Bush and the neo-cons -- have denied global warming for a long time, and although they currently acknowledge it, they are doing their best to hinder progress made to solve it. It seems to me that your opinion on this topic is more in line with our enemies than my opinion. Not that it matters much.

You should educate yourself on the truth and the science behind global warming, that information is easily available on the internet and even the mainstream media these days. There is no excuse for ignorance anymore.

 

[ronpaulhawaii]

So, ronpaulhawaii, your claim that global warming denial made it to a "major, peer-reviewed paper" is completely false. That paper was neither major, nor peer-reviewed. Please get your facts straight next time before posting someone else's propaganda.

First, I would like you to point out where I made any claim.

Secondly, I have found it typical of global cooling deniers to ignore any facts and just start into opinionated preaching. If the APS thinks it is BS, you would think they would take some action more effective than the "peer-reviewed" strawman and empty pronouncements

The FPS Executive Committee strongly endorses the position of the APS Council that "Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth's climate." The statement in the July 2008 edition of our newsletter, Physics and Society that, "There is considerable presence within the scientific community of people who do not agree with the IPCC conclusion that anthropogenic CO2 emissions are very probably likely to be primarily responsible for the global warming that has occurred since the Industrial Revolution" does not represent the views of the Executive Committee of the Forum on Physics and Society.

Hmmm..., "The Executive Committee"..., hmmm...

Methinks your (and the FPSEC's under the APS) beef is with the Science and Public Policy institute, who is still claiming the study has been peer-reviewed. That, of course, begs the question of who is spinning the truth? (Given historical and current realities, my bet is that the scientists are telling the truth and the executives remain a tornado of mis-information.) I do note the disclaimer added to the top of the original article and wonder about the power struggle going on in the halls of science. I can hardly fathom how degarding it must be for the avg scientist to have to keep their mouth shut for fear of losing funding.

What really p's me off about this is that the junk science being foisted on us for mercantile shenanigans is causing blowback against valid environmental theory.

I am a green conservative. I think environmental care/responsibility is a prime concern to our legacy. I think that most of us can agree that reckless disposal of waste is trouble. I hope all can agree that the less pollution we generate, the better our society will be.

What happens is that fear-mongerers like AG capitalize from their soapboxes by spreading false fears, which they then "save us" from, at a profit. Anyone with enough experiance, and an open mind, can see right through the charade and many come to distrust most "environmentalists." This marginalizes valid science and shuffles its proponants into the tree-hugger slot. Divide, and conquer.

Anyway, next time, try addressing the post, not the person...

From the article:

In short, we must get the science right, or we shall get the policy wrong. If the concluding equation in this analysis (Eqn. 30) is correct, the IPCC’s estimates of climate sensitivity must have been very much exaggerated. There may, therefore, be a good reason why, contrary to the projections of the models on which the IPCC relies, temperatures have not risen for a decade and have been falling since the phase-transition in global temperature trends that occurred in late 2001. Perhaps real-world climate sensitivity is very much below the IPCC’s estimates. Perhaps, therefore, there is no “climate crisis” at all. At present, then, in policy terms there is no case for doing anything. The correct policy approach to a non-problem is to have the courage to do nothing.

And the acknowledgements are quite enlightening as well...


http://www.aps.org/units/fps/newsletters/200807/monckton.cfm

 

[hypnagogue]

You know what pisses me off? The fact that this issue has become so politicized that I don't feel I can trust the information coming from either side, nor do I have the resources or the know-how to conduct my own research into it. So you know what? I have no idea.

 

[Paulitician]

I don't see how Mars has any relevance to global warming on Earth. If Mars is warming, it could be doing so for different reasons than those on Earth.

And it could be for some of the same reasons, dummy.

Anyway, it's already been predicted that we're entering a global cooling period for at least a decade (if not more), and there is also a lot of scientific literature I've been following that would put doubt on catastrophic man-made global warming political entities and certain scientists are pushing. Does it mean global warming on net is not happening and that humans are contributing to it? No, but it does slam the door on the alarmist hysteria which attributes it mostly to mankind. Besides, humans have experienced warmer periods.

Here's another interesting article people might appreciate: No smoking hot spots

 

[torchbearer]

And it could be for some of the same reasons, dummy.

Anyway, it's already been predicted that we're entering a global cooling period for at least a decade (if not more), and there is also a lot of scientific literature I've been following that would put doubt on catastrophic man-made global warming political entities and certain scientists are pushing. Does it mean global warming on net is not happening and that humans are contributing to it? No, but it does slam the door on the alarmist hysteria which attributes it mostly to mankind. Besides, humans have experienced warmer periods.

Here's another interesting article people might appreciate: No smoking hot spots

Yup- on last check-
Earth
Mars
Comet Holmes
Jupiter

are all showing signs of global warming... at the same time.

Could be a coincidence... could be the sun cycle.