Man Made Global Warming; Does it exist, Yes and its a fact; Is it bad? Not so much...

[electronicmaji]

I'd just like to place out my views on the Global Warming idea. Global Warming is happening thats a fact. The earth is getting warmer there is no refute to it. Are humans the cause? To some extent yes; all the scientists say this and all the data point to it. It's as true as evolution at this point.

Is that bad? Not neccesarily; and I will give you three points why.


1. Warmer temperatures = Better for Agriculture. Its true; as the temperature warms up the arrible regions of earth increase; and some of the previously temperate plains reaches the status of tropical jungle. Is that bad? Hell no! The best fruits available to mankind are only growable in the Tropical Jungle. The American Diet alone is severely lacking in good fruits; not to mention other countries diet.

Undoubtedly this shift in temperature can cause serious changes in the agriculture of local regions; leaving some areas as deserts and others as new plains. But overall a warming trend on a planet as cold as earth will create more arable land that can produce crops for longer time. One of the long term effects that could come from it is the end of winters. Of course people will be hot; and require more energy to cool their homes (which arguably could be transfered from the energy usually used to heat their homes) but the land will be able to produce; with proper soil nutrition techniques year round. This could be a very good thing.

2. The water level will increase.

The polar ice caps are melting; theres no doubt about it. But I want to state something very important about water. It EXPANDS as it freezes. That means that if the ice caps were fully submerged they would displace more water then they ever could melted. Saddly they aren't; they are only about 60% submerged. But that also means that the total visible area of the ice will be about the amount the water level increases; minus of course the expansion created when that ice freezes.

Does that mean 1-5 feet of water increase? Sure. Some peoples houses will be flooded; and it will cost us money. But whole cities will most likely not be flooded, unless they are built at sea level. In fact the whole impact of the water rising will not be a major problem in the United States. The major problem will be internationally; many smaller Islands will dissapear and that is a problem; but its not something that couldn't happen from a small earthquake or any other multitude of natural reasons.

3. Global Warming can be reversed. Beleive it or not we have the abilities to reverse a lot of the effects of global warming. I want to quote a post from a forum; made by a idiot

I have the greatest idea to stop global warming! The water in the ocean is RISING! Right? Well if everyone takes a bucket and pulls water out of the ocean; and pours it into there sink; we can stop global warming!

As naive and as stupid as this sounds, this idea provides real ramifications for what could be done to get rid of that "extra" water. There are thousands of dry lakes around the world nowdays. Chad for example; was the third largest lake in Africa. It is completely dry. Much of this water that was in these dry lakes no doubt were deposited in the Ocean. If we really wanted to (Humanity does have the resources) we could filter the water and refill many of these lakes. Althought it would probably not be cost effective when compared to the price actual relocation and property losses would cost.





Ultimately Global Warming is a issue for me. And I beleive in man made global warming; just not in the way you guys think.

Also I don't advocate wasting earths resources. We are a wasteful society and that must stop. I advocate education as that source though; not force. I personally can't stand waste; and refuse to be a part of it or associate with extremely wasteful people. Hopefully by reading this everyone here can understand where I stand on this issue and understand why it is a important one.

Peace.

 

[FindLiberty]

... any comments on the changes noted over the past decades regarding the number of sun spots or the smaller size of the ice caps on Mars?

Are all those Man made too?

 

[Roxi]

Are humans the cause? To some extent yes; all the scientists say this and all the data point to it. It's as true as evolution at this point.

before i put you on my ignore list, id just like to say that ALL scientists don't say this...in fact MANY believe that its BULLSHIT, but thats beside the point.

how am i supposed to take your opinion seriously when every post you make about your opinion includes a sentence that you just make up off the top of your head.

my advice: stop trying to sound smart, its obvious that you force it, but you don't reinforce it with research, or at the very least a dictionary. so either just type how you talk, or REVIEW YOUR POST BEFORE YOU HIT SEND


MHO

-Roxi

 

[hillbilly123069]

Congratulations on breaking the story of the century,now the big problem!

How to force the people in power to submit to will of the people and not act in the interests of the corporations that have turned the majority of Our elected officials into boot-licking lapdogs.

 

[Conza88]

I'd just like to place out my views on the Global Warming idea. Global Warming is happening thats a fact. The earth is getting warmer there is no refute to it. Are humans the cause? To some extent yes; all the scientists say this and all the data point to it. It's as true as evolution at this point.

Is that bad? Not neccesarily; and I will give you three points why.

1. Warmer temperatures = Better for Agriculture. Its true; as the temperature warms up the arrible regions of earth increase; and some of the previously temperate plains reaches the status of tropical jungle. Is that bad? Hell no! The best fruits available to mankind are only growable in the Tropical Jungle. The American Diet alone is severely lacking in good fruits; not to mention other countries diet.

Undoubtedly this shift in temperature can cause serious changes in the agriculture of local regions; leaving some areas as deserts and others as new plains. But overall a warming trend on a planet as cold as earth will create more arable land that can produce crops for longer time. One of the long term effects that could come from it is the end of winters. Of course people will be hot; and require more energy to cool their homes (which arguably could be transfered from the energy usually used to heat their homes) but the land will be able to produce; with proper soil nutrition techniques year round. This could be a very good thing.

2. The water level will increase.

The polar ice caps are melting; theres no doubt about it. But I want to state something very important about water. It EXPANDS as it freezes. That means that if the ice caps were fully submerged they would displace more water then they ever could melted. Saddly they aren't; they are only about 60% submerged. But that also means that the total visible area of the ice will be about the amount the water level increases; minus of course the expansion created when that ice freezes.

Does that mean 1-5 feet of water increase? Sure. Some peoples houses will be flooded; and it will cost us money. But whole cities will most likely not be flooded, unless they are built at sea level. In fact the whole impact of the water rising will not be a major problem in the United States. The major problem will be internationally; many smaller Islands will dissapear and that is a problem; but its not something that couldn't happen from a small earthquake or any other multitude of natural reasons.

3. Global Warming can be reversed. Beleive it or not we have the abilities to reverse a lot of the effects of global warming. I want to quote a post from a forum; made by a idiot

As naive and as stupid as this sounds, this idea provides real ramifications for what could be done to get rid of that "extra" water. There are thousands of dry lakes around the world nowdays. Chad for example; was the third largest lake in Africa. It is completely dry. Much of this water that was in these dry lakes no doubt were deposited in the Ocean. If we really wanted to (Humanity does have the resources) we could filter the water and refill many of these lakes. Althought it would probably not be cost effective when compared to the price actual relocation and property losses would cost.

Ultimately Global Warming is a issue for me. And I beleive in man made global warming; just not in the way you guys think.

Also I don't advocate wasting earths resources. We are a wasteful society and that must stop. I advocate education as that source though; not force. I personally can't stand waste; and refuse to be a part of it or associate with extremely wasteful people. Hopefully by reading this everyone here can understand where I stand on this issue and understand why it is a important one.

Peace.

 

[Truth Warrior]

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[Zolah]

1998 was the warmest year, temps dropped since then.

 

[werdd]

Lol, then how do you explain the jurrassic period?

We're dinosaurs driving around in their fossil fuel burning cars or what?

Warming of the earth is a combination of the sun getting hotter, and volcanic activity.

 

[robert4rp08]

I'd just like to place out my views on the Global Warming idea. Global Warming is happening thats a fact. The earth is getting warmer there is no refute to it. Are humans the cause? To some extent yes; all the scientists say this and all the data point to it. It's as true as evolution at this point.

All the scientists do not say this. There is significant disagreement within the scientific community.

All the data does not point to man made contribution to global warming. In fact, the global warming experts predicted that 2007 would be one of the hottest years on record, and it was the coolest year in 30 years. Further data suggests that we have no even had global warming for 20 years. These experts now predict that there will be a 10-year period of cooling, which is why the term "global warming" has been replaced with "climate change." How about that? A theory that can be manipulated and altered to _ALWAYS_ be "right".

Moreover, in the past 100+ years since these data have been recorded, there is approximately only a 50% correlation of increased temperatures and an increase in greenhouse gases... and CORRELATION DOES NOT equate to CAUSALITY.

 

[Danke]

Lol, then how do you explain the jurrassic period?

We're dinosaurs driving around in their fossil fuel burning cars or what?

Warming of the earth is a combination of the sun getting hotter, and volcanic activity.

The earth used to orbit around the sun faster back then, friction.

 

[Jason T]

Polar ice caps melting? There is more ice accumulating than melting. Antarctica holds 90% of the world's ice, and east Antarctic ice cap (the biggest in the world) is growing, and has been in a cooling trend for a very long time.Besides, (according to the IPCC) the majority of sea level rise is due to thermal expansion, not ice caps melting.

The IPCC projections are the following-- If we do as much as we can, by 2100 temps will rise by 3.2-5.2(f) degrees and sea levels will rise by 7-15 inches. If we do absolutely nothing to fight global warming, temps are expected to rise by 7.2-11.5(f) degrees and sea levels will rise by 10-23 inches.

Now, your average environmentalist will say the gains by doing as much as we can would be preventing 8.3(f) temp rise and 16 inches of sea level rise. However, that's not how stats work.

The realistic gain from doing all we can vs doing absolutely nothing is preventing 5 (f) of temp rise and 10 inches of sea level rise. The IPCC also said "It is more likely than not (>50%) that there has been some human contribution to the increases in hurricane intensity" and "There is no clear trend in the number of hurricanes."

So-
*Whole many ice caps are melting, the 'big picture' isn't bad at all. The new media only focuses on the bad while ignoring the good.
*Sea level rises are going to be far less devastating than most environmentalists think.
*Hurricanes aren't going to change much no matter what we do

So, if you want to spend $3 trillion a decade to prevent 5 degrees of warming and 10 inches of sea level rise while most likely not doing jack about hurricanes, be my guest, but don't vote to force me to join you in a hopeless crusade.

PS- I quote the IPCC not because I think it's the best source, but because it's a source that environmentalists trust.

 

[klamath]

I'd just like to place out my views on the Global Warming idea. Global Warming is happening thats a fact. The earth is getting warmer there is no refute to it. Are humans the cause? To some extent yes; all the scientists say this and all the data point to it. It's as true as evolution at this point.

Is that bad? Not neccesarily; and I will give you three points why.


1. Warmer temperatures = Better for Agriculture. Its true; as the temperature warms up the arrible regions of earth increase; and some of the previously temperate plains reaches the status of tropical jungle. Is that bad? Hell no! The best fruits available to mankind are only growable in the Tropical Jungle. The American Diet alone is severely lacking in good fruits; not to mention other countries diet.

Undoubtedly this shift in temperature can cause serious changes in the agriculture of local regions; leaving some areas as deserts and others as new plains. But overall a warming trend on a planet as cold as earth will create more arable land that can produce crops for longer time. One of the long term effects that could come from it is the end of winters. Of course people will be hot; and require more energy to cool their homes (which arguably could be transfered from the energy usually used to heat their homes) but the land will be able to produce; with proper soil nutrition techniques year round. This could be a very good thing.

2. The water level will increase.

The polar ice caps are melting; theres no doubt about it. But I want to state something very important about water. It EXPANDS as it freezes. That means that if the ice caps were fully submerged they would displace more water then they ever could melted. Saddly they aren't; they are only about 60% submerged. But that also means that the total visible area of the ice will be about the amount the water level increases; minus of course the expansion created when that ice freezes.

Does that mean 1-5 feet of water increase? Sure. Some peoples houses will be flooded; and it will cost us money. But whole cities will most likely not be flooded, unless they are built at sea level. In fact the whole impact of the water rising will not be a major problem in the United States. The major problem will be internationally; many smaller Islands will dissapear and that is a problem; but its not something that couldn't happen from a small earthquake or any other multitude of natural reasons.

3. Global Warming can be reversed. Beleive it or not we have the abilities to reverse a lot of the effects of global warming. I want to quote a post from a forum; made by a idiot



As naive and as stupid as this sounds, this idea provides real ramifications for what could be done to get rid of that "extra" water. There are thousands of dry lakes around the world nowdays. Chad for example; was the third largest lake in Africa. It is completely dry. Much of this water that was in these dry lakes no doubt were deposited in the Ocean. If we really wanted to (Humanity does have the resources) we could filter the water and refill many of these lakes. Althought it would probably not be cost effective when compared to the price actual relocation and property losses would cost.





Ultimately Global Warming is a issue for me. And I beleive in man made global warming; just not in the way you guys think.

Also I don't advocate wasting earths resources. We are a wasteful society and that must stop. I advocate education as that source though; not force. I personally can't stand waste; and refuse to be a part of it or associate with extremely wasteful people. Hopefully by reading this everyone here can understand where I stand on this issue and understand why it is a important one.

Peace.

I am glad you are not buying into the "we are all going to die!!!" mantra. I myself am on the fence on global warming and will just keep researching until I believe one way or the other.
I do have to point out an error in your ice and water science. If the ice is floating on water it doesn't matter how high it sticks above the water when it melts the water level will not change for its weight is displacing exactly the amount of water it took out of the ocean. The sea levels will only rise from ice that melts on land.
Do an experiment and put ice cubes floating in a bowl, measure the water level and then measure the water level after it has melted. Remember it has to all be floating, not resting on the bottom of the bowl.

 

[allyinoh]

The earth warms and cools, correct. Man made? Doubt it.

I love how the global warming people like to tell others that it's their fault while they fly around the world in big private jets burning fuel.

I mean, if man is contributing to "global warming" then we can correct it right? If we make something, we know how to "un make" it right?

I think people get all crazy about this and don't understand that there is a lot of manipulation going on. People are making money off of bull shit. I wish I could figure out how to do that...

 

[Acala]

Not

Any scientist who says that human activity IS causing detectable global warming is not doing good science. Period. Why? Because in order to draw that conclusion, a true scientist would have to eliminate all other possible causes - specifically all the causes of global warming that occurred BEFORE human industrial activity. Nobody has done this because nobody even KNOWS what caused earth's prior warming periods.

95% of global warming "science" is computer modeling. Computer modeling of climate is worth exactly squat. Why? Because climate is a chaotic system. In fact weather is the paradigm chaotic system. The whole science of chaos got its start when it was discovered that computer models of weather produced dramatically different results depending on the slightest possible changes in initial conditions. In other words, it was, and is, not POSSIBLE to predict chaotic systems with computers or any other know scientific method because weather and climate are hyper-sensitive to initial conditions. Even if global warming modelers could define ALL relevant conditions related to climate change - which they can't even come close to doing because they don't even know what they are - the computer model would be worthless because it is not possible to define initial conditions in a chaotic system model precisely enough to achieve meaningful results.

IF you could control for changes in solar radiation, tidal force heat, heat from radioactive decay in the earth, and whatever caused global warming periods in the past. And IF you could show that increases in C02 in the atmosphere were the result of human activity and not natural processes. And IF you could show empirically that the green house effect in the atmosphere actually operates in a linear relationship to CO2 concentrations. And IF you could show that natural buffering systems and feedback loops in natural processes did NOT moderate CO2 levels. And IF you could show a LONG TERM trend (like a hundred years of ACCURATE measurements) in global temperatures that closely matched levels of human-generated CO2 after controlling for the above factors, then and only then could you say that there is a high probability that human activity is causing global warming. We are not anywhere even close to being able to make that statement. And anyone who does make that statement is doing bad science.

 

[torchbearer]

Our entire solar system is experiencing warming... from the sun.

Our caps are melting (nevermind the giant active volcanoes underneath the artic)
Mar's polar caps are melting.
Jupiter now has a third spot that just surfaced recently, as big as the Jr. Red spot. Scientist believe this is due to a warming effect on Jupiter.
Comet Holmes has flared up, one hypothesis states its due to increase in solar radiation. It is now bigger than Jupiter.

 

[klamath]

Our entire solar system is experiencing warming... from the sun.

Our caps are melting (nevermind the giant active volcanoes underneath the artic)
Mar's polar caps are melting.
Jupiter now has a third spot that just surfaced recently, as big as the Jr. Red spot. Scientist believe this is due to a warming effect on Jupiter.
Comet Holmes has flared up, one hypothesis states its due to increase in solar radiation. It is now bigger than Jupiter.

Now that could be real scary. We may have 6 billion people wishing with all their hearts they could change the weather.

 

[torchbearer]

Now that could be real scary. We may have 6 billion people wishing with all their hearts they could change the weather.

Our sun goes through cycles. NASA has documented a short term 11 year cycle in sun spots.
It has been consistent until now... that is another bad indicator.
Was our global warming and coolings in the past due to human factors? they were cause by solar factors.

 

[bill50]

Lol, then how do you explain the jurrassic period?

We're dinosaurs driving around in their fossil fuel burning cars or what?

Warming of the earth is a combination of the sun getting hotter, and volcanic activity.

Everyone scientist agrees dinosaurs ate a lot of food. Every scientist also agrees that eating lots of food causes lots of farting. Every scientist believes that all farts contain methane, a greenhouse gas. All scientists that disagree with greenhouse gases causing global warming must be stupid because the man who invented the internet says they do.

 

[klamath]

Our sun goes through cycles. NASA has documented a short term 11 year cycle in sun spots.
It has been consistent until now... that is another bad indicator.
Was our global warming and coolings in the past due to human factors? they were cause by solar factors.

Yep, I remember this from my ham radio days. The 10 meter band would come in for global comunication about every 11 years. There is also a 27 day cycle (spinning of the sun) cycle. The longer ones we haven't found out about yet but that maybe coming

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

I'd just like to place out my views on the Global Warming idea.

You do, everyday.

Global Warming is happening thats a fact.

How do you know?

The earth is getting warmer there is no refute to it.

Yeah, it's summer time.

Evidence?

Are humans the cause?

Cause of what?

To some extent yes; all the scientists say this and all the data point to it. It's as true as evolution at this point.

Are you having a conversation with yourself? Seems like it. Answering your own questions and all.

What data? You're almost as bad as nikki

Is that bad? Not neccesarily; and I will give you three points why.

No thank you.

1. Warmer temperatures = Better for Agriculture. Its true; as the temperature warms up the arrible regions of earth increase; and some of the previously temperate plains reaches the status of tropical jungle. Is that bad? Hell no! The best fruits available to mankind are only growable in the Tropical Jungle. The American Diet alone is severely lacking in good fruits; not to mention other countries diet.

Arrible? hmmm. I don't see this word in my dictionary, so I'm unable to reply, sorry.

Undoubtedly this shift in temperature can cause serious changes in the agriculture of local regions;

It can, but where's your "data" located? In your head?

leaving some areas as deserts and others as new plains. But overall a warming trend on a planet as cold as earth will create more arable land that can produce crops for longer time. One of the long term effects that could come from it is the end of winters. Of course people will be hot; and require more energy to cool their homes (which arguably could be transfered from the energy usually used to heat their homes) but the land will be able to produce; with proper soil nutrition techniques year round. This could be a very good thing.

so...you're in support of global warming?

2. The water level will increase.

The polar ice caps are melting; theres no doubt about it.

Evidence? Polar bears like to take a dip once in a while, nothing wrong with that.

But I want to state something very important about water. It EXPANDS as it freezes. That means that if the ice caps were fully submerged they would displace more water then they ever could melted. Saddly they aren't; they are only about 60% submerged. But that also means that the total visible area of the ice will be about the amount the water level increases; minus of course the expansion created when that ice freezes.

so?

Does that mean 1-5 feet of water increase? Sure. Some peoples houses will be flooded; and it will cost us money. But whole cities will most likely not be flooded, unless they are built at sea level. In fact the whole impact of the water rising will not be a major problem in the United States. The major problem will be internationally; many smaller Islands will dissapear and that is a problem; but its not something that couldn't happen from a small earthquake or any other multitude of natural reasons.

yay

3. Global Warming can be reversed. Beleive it or not we have the abilities to reverse a lot of the effects of global warming. I want to quote a post from a forum; made by a idiot

but you just made it sound appealing

As naive and as stupid as this sounds, this idea provides real ramifications for what could be done to get rid of that "extra" water. There are thousands of dry lakes around the world nowdays. Chad for example; was the third largest lake in Africa. It is completely dry. Much of this water that was in these dry lakes no doubt were deposited in the Ocean. If we really wanted to (Humanity does have the resources) we could filter the water and refill many of these lakes. Althought it would probably not be cost effective when compared to the price actual relocation and property losses would cost.

That would be a weird lot of projects. Why bother refilling them? What would be the practicality of undertaking these projects? The point, sir? I won't challenge your silly arguments that "Warmer temperatures = Better for Agriculture." I won't because, for right now, I just need to know your evidence that GW exists. Provide.

Ultimately Global Warming is a issue for me. And I beleive in man made global warming; just not in the way you guys think.

What about the farting cows?

Also I don't advocate wasting earths resources. We are a wasteful society and that must stop. I advocate education as that source though; not force. I personally can't stand waste; and refuse to be a part of it or associate with extremely wasteful people. Hopefully by reading this everyone here can understand where I stand on this issue and understand why it is a important one.

Peace.

I bet you're wasteful. Are you "green"? LOL