Libertarian Gary Johnson in double digits in race against Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump: poll

[Chester Copperpot]

well gary Johnson being in the race might make things interesting.. if he has a good shot of winning would be an alternative to trump

 

[William Tell]

Right

He underperformed the polls then, and he'll probably underperform them again.

All I'm saying is that, since he's polling higher this time (about twice as high), he should do better.

He polled 6% and ended up with 1% last time; now he's polling 11%, so maybe be ends up with 2%.

Yes, exactly what I was thinking. 2-3% may be reachable for the LP. But poll numbers usually let 3rd party candidates come election day. Virgil Goode was polling around 10% in Virginia for the 2012 presidential election as the CP nominee. He did horribly on election day.

If he's allowed on the stage in a debate with the D & R, he will have the opportunity to do much, much better.

Yes, making the debates would make a world of difference.

 

[Michael Landon]

I'm voting for the Libertarian regardless of who gets the Republican or Democrat nomination.

- ML

 

[jmdrake]

And of course if this happens and Hillary wins the idiots in the GOP will blame the LP for their loss rather than the fact that they picked a crappy candidate.

 

[Origanalist]

And of course if this happens and Hillary wins the idiots in the GOP will blame the LP for their loss rather than the fact that they picked a crappy candidate.

That is a given, but do you care?

 

[69360]

I don't believe that. Sure I think he will do the best the LP has ever done in a Trump Clinton race. I would think even 3-5 would be possible. I will probably end up voting for Johnson again unless the GOP finds a way to rob Trump and has a real nominee.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

And of course if this happens and Hillary wins the idiots in the GOP will blame the LP for their loss rather than the fact that they picked a crappy candidate.

I think Trump's likely to lose by more votes than the LP carries.

e.g.

Clinton 52%
Trump 46%
Johnson 2%

 

[Libertas Aut Mortis]

Gary Johnson sucks, he embodies everything that I dislike about the Libertarian Party.

 

[misterx]

Fixed that for you. Open borders is de facto libertarianism.

You're only a real Libertarian if you agree with the resident communist, Antischism

 

[r3volution 3.0]

You're only a real Libertarian if you agree with the resident communist, Antischism

Restricting immigration requires aggression, hence libertarians oppose it.

 

[Libertas Aut Mortis]

Restricting immigration requires aggression, hence libertarians oppose it.

I like the NAP in principle only, not as a law bounding my views on everything. Generally, people should be free to do as they please...but coercion and force are sometimes necessary in order to have a functioning sovereign state capable of fulfilling the social contract.

Anarchy would be great and all. But it's a pipe dream. So, if force is reality...let's limit it to only a just use of force.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

I like the NAP in principle only, not as a law bounding my views on everything. Generally, people should be free to do as they please...but coercion and force are sometimes necessary in order to have a functioning sovereign state capable of fulfilling the social contract.

Anarchy would be great and all. But it's a pipe dream. So, if force is reality...let's limit it to only a just use of force.

I'm a minarchist.

Aggression can be justified, but only to prevent an even worse aggression.

Hence a minarchist state's taxation is justified because the only alternative is an even worse state (anarcho-capitalism is impossible).

Restrictionism could potentially be justified, if it were necessary to prevent some other, worse aggression, but I see no case for that.

Preserving the culture or protecting American labor are certainly not ends which would justify aggressive means.

 

[Libertas Aut Mortis]

I'm a minarchist.

Aggression can be justified, but only to prevent an even worse aggression.

Hence a minarchist state's taxation is justified because the only alternative is an even worse state (anarcho-capitalism is impossible).

Restrictionism could potentially be justified, if it were necessary to prevent some other, worse aggression, but I see no case for that.

Yet again, I was itching for a fight, but I'm unable to draw against someone whom I agree with. Darn. And by the way, I've been exploring the monarchy stuff lately since you sent me that Hoppe article. While I can't say that I'm of the monarchical persuasion yet, I am more skeptical of...well, all government, as I've ever been.

I've been trying to brainstorm a way to devise a Confederated Constitutional Republic, the while taking Platos aristocratic advice. I've been brainstorming some pretty kooky stuff, I'll share it with you when I'm done.

 

[Rad]

We haven't had a decent 3rd party challenger since Perot. Maybe this time we will. I doubt it. I'd love a third party candidate to win. They would most likely be preferable.

The white nats at mises don't define what libertarianism is. You don't have to be for open borders to know that paleocons are against open borders and libertarians are for it.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Yet again, I was itching for a fight, but I'm unable to draw against someone whom I agree with. Darn.

I could hurl some unwarranted insults at you, if that would help.

And by the way, I've been exploring the monarchy stuff lately since you sent me that Hoppe article. While I can't say that I'm of the monarchical persuasion yet, I am more skeptical of...well, all government, as I've ever been.

These might be of interest:

The Magic of Symmetrical Sovereignty
http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/05/magic-of-symmetric-sovereignty.html

Patchwork, parts 1 - 4
http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2008/11/patchwork-positive-vision-part-1.html
http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2008/11/patchwork-2-profit-strategies-for-our.html
http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2008/11/patchwork-3-what-we-have-and-whats-so.html
http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2008/12/patchwork-4-reactionary-theory-of-world.html

If you're not familiar with Moldbug, he has a curious style of writing; but once you get used to the snark it's pretty insightful.

I've been trying to brainstorm a way to devise a Confederated Constitutional Republic, the while taking Platos aristocratic advice. I've been brainstorming some pretty kooky stuff, I'll share it with you when I'm done.

Looking forward to it

 

[Antischism]

You're only a real Libertarian if you agree with the resident communist, Antischism

I'm not a "big L" libertarian.

 

[RJ Liberty]

I voted for Johnson in 2012; I'd vote for a LP candidate again. It's cool to see a poll with a third party candidate polling so high. Haven't seen that since Perot in 1992 and 1996, as Rad mentions.

With Johnson polling at 10%, I'd expect he might get 3% in the general election. 5% might even be attainable, and then the LP would be eligible for federal funding in 2020.

But don't think for a moment that the Dems or the GOP will ever, ever again allow a third party candidate to debate them on the same stage. They learned their lesson in 1992, when Perot joined them on stage, in front of millions of viewers. Perot was doing so well in the polls that George H W Bush ordered a hit on Perot. Perot temporarily dropped out of the campaign, and by the time he re-entered, his campaign was over.

The major parties will do whatever they can to keep out third parties. Doesn't matter how well another party polls.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

I'm not a "big L" libertarian.

Is that Marx in your avatar?

....atop a field black and gold?

If so, dafuq?

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Is that Marx in your avatar?

....atop a field black and gold?

If so, dafuq?

Lysander Spooner

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Lysander Spooner

Ah, good.