Lakota Indians Declare Independance from US

[Suzu]

"One duck moved into place in September, when the United Nations adopted a non-binding declaration on the rights of indigenous peoples..."

It's not a duck. Doesn't even walk like one. The United Nations is inherently destructive of all national sovereignties. The Hopis knew from their own internal instructions that they should not join the UN or depend on them for help, but simply warn them of the state of the world, and alert them to what could save us. On that basis, some minds involved with the UN out of concern for the state of the world might direct their intelligence to the real solution, which is not the UN.

Too many contradictions in Russell Means' effort. I don't know how Ron Paul can help that effort, or be helped by it. I applaud the Lakota will toward sovereignty, but no move by the UN will support them in that. And, of course, once Lakotas stand separate from the US, they cannot vote in US elections. Some really cool stuff could be done as aboriginal sovereigns, but it will take much more savvy and discipline. I would love to see them mint their own currency. But all this seems miles away from the effort of US citizens to take their own government back. Same spirit, but logistically disconnected. I'd be glad to learn otherwise, but so far I have not seen anything like a workable strategy laid out.

 

[DrNoZone]

This was the good news of my day! I sure hope they start growing hemp again on the North Dakota reservation and this time tell the feds to get off THEIR property when they come to mow it down.

Go Lakota Nation! I'm behind you 110%!

 

[nate895]

So if 20 other tribes declared Independence, you guys would support that? What if a majority Mexican region in the Southwest declared Independence also or that they are now part of Mexico, would you support that?

This is very disturbing to me. There has to be a way to avoid this. Can't the U.S address their grievances without granting independence? Isn't there an expiration date on getting your land back? There are serious questions that need to be addressed. I don't like this at all.

Since they are treaties, no, but there are other legal problems. Because of state sovereignty, the states that compose the former Lakota land have to be proven to either have stolen their lands, or that they couldn't legally come into existence in the first place. Since the US didn't eliminate the Lakota nation through treaty, annexation, and acceptance by the Lakota, the Lakota still have legal claim to the land. They might have a problem with international recognition, however, but that is another story.

 

[susano]

So if 20 other tribes declared Independence, you guys would support that? What if a majority Mexican region in the Southwest declared Independence also or that they are now part of Mexico, would you support that?

This is very disturbing to me. There has to be a way to avoid this. Can't the U.S address their grievances without granting independence? Isn't there an expiration date on getting your land back? There are serious questions that need to be addressed. I don't like this at all.

Mexicans are not tribal people. Some of them are mixed blood, native and Spanish, just as some Americans have Indian blood. The tribes of Mexico are not the tribes here. There are indigenous people all over the world. The US would not be "granting" anything. The Indian nations are supposed to be sovereign, even though the feds have interfered with the Bureau of Indian Affairs.
Think of the tribes like states. We want our freedom. They want theirs, only more so.

 

[susano]

"One duck moved into place in September, when the United Nations adopted a non-binding declaration on the rights of indigenous peoples..."

It's not a duck. Doesn't even walk like one. The United Nations is inherently destructive of all national sovereignties. The Hopis knew from their own internal instructions that they should not join the UN or depend on them for help, but simply warn them of the state of the world, and alert them to what could save us. On that basis, some minds involved with the UN out of concern for the state of the world might direct their intelligence to the real solution, which is not the UN.

Too many contradictions in Russell Means' effort. I don't know how Ron Paul can help that effort, or be helped by it. I applaud the Lakota will toward sovereignty, but no move by the UN will support them in that. And, of course, once Lakotas stand separate from the US, they cannot vote in US elections. Some really cool stuff could be done as aboriginal sovereigns, but it will take much more savvy and discipline. I would love to see them mint their own currency. But all this seems miles away from the effort of US citizens to take their own government back. Same spirit, but logistically disconnected. I'd be glad to learn otherwise, but so far I have not seen anything like a workable strategy laid out.

I agree with you. I saw some reference to the UN in some of the writings. The UN wants their resources just as much as Euro elites and banks (same animal, ultimately). Oppressed people often make this mistake. Many times I see Palestinian advocates llok to international law for help. Shit, international law helped to steal their land.

 

[real_native70]

Freedom

All most of us Natives really want is freedom to do what ever we want with our land!

 

[tropicangela]

Flashback 2007.

New video by Russell Means: Welcome To The Reservation

"Means warns that Americans have lost the ability of critical though, and with each successive generation become more irresponsible and as a consequence less free, disregarding a near-perfect document, the Constitution, which was derived from Indian law. Means chronicles the loss of freedom from the 1840's onwards, which marked the birth of the corporation, to Lincoln's declaration of martial law, to the latter part of the 19th century and into the 20th when Congress "started giving banks the right to rule," and private banking interests began printing the money."

 

[speciallyblend]

lakota nation needs industry to survive on that land!! Great idea but still lacking jobs and safe housing and many more things. The lakota nation makes haiti look like luxury. very sad indeed!!! I strongly urge folks to visit pine ridge etc. It will hopefuly wake some folks up!!!

 

[Pauls' Revere]

The new country would issue its own passports and driving licences, and living there would be tax-free -- provided residents renounce their US citizenship, Means said.

 

[Vessol]

Haven't they been declaring independence for years? I support them TBH, but if they say so and nothing really happens, then meh.

 

[Seraphim]

These are the type of people that I will stand next to and meet my maker, if it provides just one small baby step in the fight for widespread freedom and indepence from the State.

 

[Danke]

"the Constitution, which was derived from Indian law"


I think it goes back to the Magna Carta and English Common Law.

 

[Michael Landon]

lakota nation needs industry to survive on that land!! Great idea but still lacking jobs and safe housing and many more things. The lakota nation makes haiti look like luxury. very sad indeed!!! I strongly urge folks to visit pine ridge etc. It will hopefuly wake some folks up!!!

I wonder if their plan is to provide tax-free incentives to businesses to move to their "Nation?" I can see some companies moving their plants to Lakota lands and providing jobs.

- ML

 

[Legend1104]

They will probably just be ignored until some conflict breaks out that leads to the death of Indians by the military or national guard and the forced capitulation of the Lakota.