Just ran off a census taker

1) they get $16/hr of stolen money
2) sure, you're right here; but why should the government be 'testing theories' and taking part of 'social science?'
3) Finding out the population is constitutional; going beyong the letter of the constitution is what's gotten us into such a sorry state of affairs.

Regarding number 2: - Great question. I can only answer with Milton Friedmann's criteria. Just a refresher in "Free to Choose" Friedmann, citing Adam Smith, argued that it was appropriate that government have at least three duties:

1) protecting society from violence and invasion
2) establising an exact administration of justice
3) erecting and maintaining certain public works, which are never in the interest of any one individual, because the profit could never repay the expense of any one individual although it may do much to repay a great society.

To Smith's third criteria Friedmann added a cost benefit criteria, which is that the third party effects of government action (e.g. taxation, unintended consequences) must be sufficient to justify planned action relative to a free market barometer.

In this case, the costs of doing government science are relatively low for human freedom - e.g. relatively speaking the census doesn't cost a lot, it also has a pretty limited impact on privacy - the views of people on this board not withstanding and it has a huge benefit in terms of its impact on social policy.

For example, census data has shown that welfare DOESNT work and that more police don't necessarily prevent crime - both of these are potentially important for liberty loving activists. Its also possible to use census data to estimate the number of illegal individuals living in the states - you can use birth rates and work backwards.

The point is that census data makes sense in its current framework - it can yield a huge public benefit and there really isn't a good private solution for it.

Just for the record, I not an advocate of bigger government. I am an advocate for good census data and I believe it makes sense in the current framework.

Best,

James
 
That's why they came to my house just to ask me if I was "renting" to other people and that I was required by "law" to tell them this info. :rolleyes:
They didn't want to know how many people were in my home, they wanted to know if I was renting out parts of my home.
They paid people to go around and ask that one question, and at the same time, enter in their GPS info. I'm not buying that benevolent bullshit and I'm a sociologist who understand the importance of data and research.

Do you realize that whatever you tell that government agent can be used against you in a court of law. The IRS could send these fucks to your house to force testimony out of you.

Actually Torchbearer, there is a law that says you have to answer the census.

http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/news/aa031800a.htm

I'm just saying.
 
Actually Torchbearer, there is a law that says you have to answer the census.

http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/news/aa031800a.htm

I'm just saying.

And just how many times do they need to take this census. (A point that some missed)
I read that it is to be done every TEN(10) years.
I did fill one out in 2000. and again in 2006. I got another one in 2007 (I sent it back, with a note )
Had a person show up on my property, did NOT Knock on the door but was headed for my barn.
I ran him off.
Now my question is HOW MANY TIMES? the next should be in 2010. NOT 2009.
 
There is no legitemate reason for GPS coordinates. As I said, when I worked the Census back in 2000, we had maps, an address and that was it.
 
I thought this was not until next year? why are they coming to your house now?
 
You probably took a town census in 2006, not a federal:eek:


Also, we're not Census Takers, we're just canvassing the areas to make sure that someone still lives in the home and that the proper forms don't go to an abandon house.

Also, the GPS, like someone said earlier, is to prevent fraud.

and yet, once they have that data, they have it. Afterward, they have the ability to abolish any household they want from orbit, at the flip of a switch.

The Constitution does not give them the power to collect that data, and I don't want them to have it. Full stop.
 
Exactly... Who is to say that even though they may not use that info for anything now, they won't later?

Do you even want them to KNOW EXACTLY where you live? I sure don't.
 
whoa whoa whoa.

Allow me to clarify.

I am law abiding citizen.

The law requires me to comply with the census every 10 years. I have no problem telling them how many folks live in my home every 10 years. Until the Constitution is amended to state otherwise, it's the law. And it happens to be a law I agree with.

I do however, have a problem divulging information to the Census Bureau that isn't required by law. My race, religion, and yearly income are only made available to the people I wish. The census taking lap dog's ignorance of the law is not my problem. I owe them nothing. They are on private property. And that private property happens to be MINE.

And to you folks worried about GPS.... Seriously? Is that really a concern of yours?

Have you ever seen Google maps? Let them create all the maps they want. The 2nd amendment will win in the end.
 
Just posted this on my front gate tonight after reading this thread:

census.jpg


2 foot by 1 footwide
 
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And to you folks worried about GPS.... Seriously? Is that really a concern of yours?

Have you ever seen Google maps? Let them create all the maps they want. The 2nd amendment will win in the end
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As I've already stated I am not on google maps nor google earth.

My home comes up zip on both.

I want to keep it that way.
 
And to you folks worried about GPS.... Seriously? Is that really a concern of yours?

Have you ever seen Google maps? Let them create all the maps they want. The 2nd amendment will win in the end.

Predator drones dropping Hellfire missiles do not discriminate. It may sound paranoid, but its sadly the truth. Anyone resists, they check the list with the GPS and 'nuke the site from orbit cause its the only way to be sure'.
 
whoa whoa whoa.

Allow me to clarify.

I am law abiding citizen.

The law requires me to comply with the census every 10 years. I have no problem telling them how many folks live in my home every 10 years. Until the Constitution is amended to state otherwise, it's the law. And it happens to be a law I agree with.

I do however, have a problem divulging information to the Census Bureau that isn't required by law. My race, religion, and yearly income are only made available to the people I wish. The census taking lap dog's ignorance of the law is not my problem. I owe them nothing. They are on private property. And that private property happens to be MINE.

And to you folks worried about GPS.... Seriously? Is that really a concern of yours?

Have you ever seen Google maps? Let them create all the maps they want. The 2nd amendment will win in the end.

Google maps do not allow you to target remote weapons or surveillance, as they are not accurate within 3-5 feet the way modern GPS is.
 
I don't need to post anything I don't think...UPS and the mail man cannot even find my house, and leave things too big to fit in the mailbox at someone else's house. LOL.

I have received letters from them saying that they CANNOT find it. We are WAY in the woods. :)

Funny enough, though, CPS found us the other day, but that is a completely different story.
 
Ok so if we concede that the GPS is for efficiency and counter-fraud measures, what happens to all these GPS devices after the census is finished? And how much did each device cost?

I'm always skeptical of 'government efficiency'. It's a phrase that is quite oxymoronic and the idea is frightening given the history of governmental power ie tyranny made easy.

BACK TO YOUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED TYRANNY> ;)
 
okay okay.

Do you think the US Military must rely on Census Takers to confirm your GPS location in order to pinpoint your home?

If these Census lap dogs are able to find your house via physical address, you don't think the United States military can? Ever heard of longitude and latitude?

How about you guys stop worry about things you have no control over and get involved in politics and actually make a change. This blog means nothing.
 
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