Just ran off a census taker

[CAKochenash]

Let them??
The last one walked up a 1/4mile snowmobile trail.
I caught him headed for my barn, he didn't even knock on my door and ask.

If there was ever a time I wished I could have a gun,,,
I would love to have something with a 1/4 mile reach.

I don't the laws of your state. But I would have armed my self with a video camera, in addition to my favorite firearm.

Current events have proven that a video camera is the most efficient weapon you could have now-a-days.

But I still would have made it known that I was armed, that I didn't know who they were, and that they didn't have permission on my property without prior consent. I would have allowed them to ID themselves, then repeat my demands. I would also let them know that, after they ID'd themselves, that they are still not welcome and that they need to leave.

Catching it all on camera, of course.

 

[ghengis86]

I don't the laws of your state. But I would have armed my self with a video camera, in addition to my favorite firearm.

Current events have proven that a video camera is the most efficient weapon you could have now-a-days.

But I still would have made it known that I was armed, that I didn't know who they were, and that they didn't have permission on my property without prior consent. I would have allowed them to ID themselves, then repeat my demands. I would also let them know that, after they ID'd themselves, that they are still not welcome and that they need to leave.

Catching it all on camera, of course.

peter doesn't have a gun and is currently infringed.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Okay so I am confused as to where you thought I was telling you that you have no control over your home, who gets access to it and what questions you have to answer.....

Besides, based on Article 19 of your State's constitution, I would hope that you would be suspicious of anyone, other than a uniformed officer(if not more-so), approaching your land. If you chose not to, again, the joke's on YOU.

You can site all the codes you want. If they violate the Constitution, they are null and void.

Problem is, we should not have to post sentries at our property lines to prevent Federal officials from collecting GPS data on our homes.

 

[pcosmar]

I don't the laws of your state. But I would have armed my self with a video camera, in addition to my favorite firearm.

Current events have proven that a video camera is the most efficient weapon you could have now-a-days.

But I still would have made it known that I was armed, that I didn't know who they were, and that they didn't have permission on my property without prior consent. I would have allowed them to ID themselves, then repeat my demands. I would also let them know that, after they ID'd themselves, that they are still not welcome and that they need to leave.

Catching it all on camera, of course.

I have no firearm. I have an axe.
Video would be nice, but not in the budget at the moment.

This time my "Command Voice"was all that was necessary.

I can scare most girls by smiling.
You wouldn't like my ugly face.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Problem is, we should not have to post sentries at our property lines to prevent Federal officials from collecting GPS data on our homes.

Thank you.

 

[asimplegirl]

Problem is, we should not have to post sentries at our property lines to prevent Federal officials from collecting GPS data on our homes.

qtf

 

[Roxi]

So much for efficiency, technology making gov't work cheaper, and limited gov't. I guess the census is part of the unemployment fix in the stimulus package also, since an additional $1billion was given to the Census Bureau in the package.

wait so you mean we (the taxpayers) are paying for these frieking GPSs and I can't even afford one for my own car (WHICH i could really use)

that pisses me off

 

[kathy88]

The article simple girl posted ont he other thread talks about how this data could be used in the event of an emergency blah blah. It got me thinking about how much legislation and crap like this GPS nonsense has been shoved down our throats using scare tactics. Anyone looking for a video project, there's a good one.

Maybe a slide show, describe the offending legislation/court decision/whatever and on the other side the claim/threat? Does this make any sense? I wish I was more computer literate.

 

[ryanduff]

They walked through my neighborhood last week... Kind of creepy.

I was out gardening and this guy was walking up to every door and didn't knock. He stood there for a few minutes and then went to the next door. We later found out that it was some guy that lived around the corner working for the census bureau mapping front doors. God only knows what they plan to do with this information.

 

[CAKochenash]

Problem is, we should not have to post sentries at our property lines to prevent Federal officials from collecting GPS data on our homes.

Very true. But the laws are already in place. If you don't allow soliciting on your property then don't allow it. It may require a sign. But a simple "NO TRESPASSING/NO SOLICITING" sign should do.

Going back to my original point. Blogging here will not stop the census bureau from coming to your door. Nor will it stop them from going to other people's doors.

If we want to end the bureau's reckless activities, we must do it politically. We must get involved.

 

[CAKochenash]

Problem is, we should not have to post sentries at our property lines to prevent Federal officials from collecting GPS data on our homes.

btw, "GPS data" is nothing more than lat & long coordinates.

Give me an address, and I will produce the "gps data"

 

[Minarchy4Sale]

Guys,

Take it easy on the census takers. I know a lot of them here in DC, they are harmless.

no. they are not harmless. stupid yes. harmless no.

 

[Anti Federalist]

btw, "GPS data" is nothing more than lat & long coordinates.

Give me an address, and I will produce the "gps data"

I don't live on a "z" lot in a subdivision.

You have my address, and you'll have a lat and long of a mailbox on a rural road.

Not the precise location of my front door.

And nobody has answered the question: Why is a precise location of a home needed?

 

[Minarchy4Sale]

The purpose is as follows:

prevent people from fraudulently inventing residents to increase the share of entitlements programs given to their community.

How, praytell, does it do that? All I have to do is say that 20 people live in my house!

 

[Minarchy4Sale]

Yeah, with this baby, they don't need to GPS you, it's like a homing beacon for the guys that intend to pick you up.

Actually, in WA state, a sign like this at every point of egress to your property serves as a 'no entry zone' boundary. Under federal law, government agents can enter your land all the way up to the edge of the 'curtilege' to observe.

In WA state, state agents may not pass a no tresspassing sign without warrant, and if they do so, anything they observe while past that line is inadmissible in court.

Another awesome reason that WA state rocks.

 

[Minarchy4Sale]

I love you all, but some of you are just plain paranoid about this. As I stated in another thread, the Census is Constitutional, under Article I, Section 2, which says,



The primary reason for taking the Census is to determine the number of seats each state is entitled to in the U.S. House of Representatives. In order to ensure an accurate count of the citizens to that end, the federal government needs to have precise and verifiable data to update the current status of the U.S. population. Technology helps them accomplish that.

Some of you just need to relax and stop thinking that everything is based in conspiracy just because the federal government is involved in it.

The constitution calls for a headcount, not gps coordinates.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Very true. But the laws are already in place. If you don't allow soliciting on your property then don't allow it. It may require a sign. But a simple "NO TRESPASSING/NO SOLICITING" sign should do.

Going back to my original point. Blogging here will not stop the census bureau from coming to your door. Nor will it stop them from going to other people's doors.

If we want to end the bureau's reckless activities, we must do it politically. We must get involved.

I just got off the phone with a census bureaucrat.

He couldn't do it, maybe you can.

Point out the specific subsection of USC Title 13 in any of the sections, that authorizes the collection of precise lat/long data of citizen's homes.

I'm reviewing it now, and I see nothing as of yet.

And if no one is aware of a problem or organized against it, how can any "political action" be taken?

That's the primary purpose of writing on boards like this.

 

[Minarchy4Sale]

Hi CA,

The current population survey is a favorite tool for social scientists to evaluate the structural and sociological topography of the nation. CPS data has been used for things like:

1) Measuring the diaspora of African Americans out of the south in the 1960s.

2) Determining the efficiency of local roadways and transportation networks.

3) Evaluating marriage rates, birth rates, mortality statistics, etc. - This is important for determining how many people are in the US, where they are moving to, etc. etc.

4) Census data is also used to evaluate a number of criminological theories. For example, you can't calculate an accurate crime rate without accurate census data. The CPS data is a huge part of that.

So, historically and currently there are some very legitimate scientific uses for the Current Population Survey data.

Plus, nobody really cares about your answers specifically don't really have any use. Census data is only useful in the aggregate. Also, consider some empathy for the poor census taker. She probably gets like 9 dollars an hour to try to track you down. I guarantee people will be pressuring her to get your info and it totally sucks for her to have to make sure an effort and get nowhere. - I know and work with a fair amount of people in that line of work. Trust me its a drag.

Thanks,

James

The federal government has no business engaging in scientific analysis of racial migration. etc. Count heads and go away.

 

[Minarchy4Sale]

As I've already stated I am not on google maps nor google earth.

My home comes up zip on both.

I want to keep it that way.

Much of my state is unmappable by google earth as well. too much tree cover. Best they can do is estimate your address on the road. In many instances that is hundreds of yards away.

That is considerably different than having your front door mapped to within 10 feet.

 

[asimplegirl]

Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
As I've already stated I am not on google maps nor google earth.

My home comes up zip on both.

I want to keep it that way.


Same here.