Just ran off a census taker

[mellamojuana]

The biggest problem with census takers, as I see it,

is that they like to eat, same as the rest of us. Most of them are more of the ordinary, common, everyday, average--and all the other terms gov't likes to give us--citizens who need a job. They sit for hours at a table or desk with an instructor going over those blessed forms that everyone (almost, including the workers themselves) would prefer to curse, learning to cross all the t's and dot all the i's.

I encourage everyone not to take frustrations about our many governments, and fears we have accumulated about same, out on innocent people who simply need a job and need to feed themselves and their families. They are just doing a job, that most people half accept, the best way they can.

Their GPS devices could be their own personal property that they have to use to get their job done. It would be wrong to destroy their possession just because they are doing a job that is distasteful to us/you.

They are using their own vehicles going over some unbelievable terrain, in some places. They are just doing a job. They are not axe murderers. Some of them have never seen an axe outside a hardware store.

Soldiers killing people in our names are called "heroes," yet we abuse people who come to our doors taking the census. Whoa.

We are not forced to cooperate with census gatherers. We can choose to be decent or to be like vile people we object to who seek to gain power at our expense.

 

[pcosmar]

is that they like to eat, same as the rest of us. Most of them are more of the ordinary, common, everyday, average--and all the other terms gov't likes to give us--citizens who need a job. They sit for hours at a table or desk with an instructor going over those blessed forms that everyone (almost, including the workers themselves) would prefer to curse, learning to cross all the t's and dot all the i's.

I encourage everyone not to take frustrations about our many governments, and fears we have accumulated about same, out on innocent people who simply need a job and need to feed themselves and their families. They are just doing a job, that most people half accept, the best way they can.

Their GPS devices could be their own personal property that they have to use to get their job done. It would be wrong to destroy their possession just because they are doing a job that is distasteful to us/you.

They are using their own vehicles going over some unbelievable terrain, in some places. They are just doing a job. They are not axe murderers. Some of them have never seen an axe outside a hardware store.

Soldiers killing people in our names are called "heroes," yet we abuse people who come to our doors taking the census. Whoa.

We are not forced to cooperate with census gatherers. We can choose to be decent or to be like vile people we object to who seek to gain power at our expense.

What a load of excrement.
Tick and leaches, working for a Corrupt Government. Getting paid with my taxes, so the bastards can tax me more.
Give me a friggin' break.

 

[fedup100]

Do these work?

http://www.narlo.org/sign.html

Yeah, with this baby, they don't need to GPS you, it's like a homing beacon for the guys that intend to pick you up.

 

[LibForestPaul]

Could someone explain to me how GPS device will prevent fraud?

Before: Fill in fraudulent information.

Now: Fill in fraudulent information, press a button. I don't see it. If the canvasser is acting fraudulent, what good is a GPS device? And it states garages and such, any place of residence.

Oops, my bad..there were people living in the garage when I pressed the button. Hell, look here, they even filled out this non-identifiable form.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I encourage everyone not to take frustrations about our many governments, and fears we have accumulated about same, out on innocent people who simply need a job and need to feed themselves and their families. They are just doing a job, that most people half accept, the best way they can.

Nope.

They volunteered for the front line job, then they best be prepared to take the heat.

I'm not going to be overly hostile, nor am I going to threaten, in my case, what appeared to to be a 50ish year old woman.

I am going to make it abundantly clear that any questions or taking of data, beyond number of legal age residents for purposes of congressional apportionment, is unconstitutional, and you must leave my property posthaste.

Their GPS devices could be their own personal property that they have to use to get their job done. It would be wrong to destroy their possession just because they are doing a job that is distasteful to us/you.

In my line of work, I am intimately familiar with GPS units of all kinds.

I got a good look at this unit and it was not a hand held GPS that you could buy at West Marine or Cabellas.

It resembled a UPS bar code scanner without the signature pad. It had a display screen at the top, an extensible GPS antenna with a small qwerty keyboard.

It was not an "over the counter" type of unit.

Now, maybe they have to buy this thing out of pocket, but I doubt that.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Could someone explain to me how GPS device will prevent fraud?

Before: Fill in fraudulent information.

Now: Fill in fraudulent information, press a button. I don't see it. If the canvasser is acting fraudulent, what good is a GPS device? And it states garages and such, any place of residence.

Oops, my bad..there were people living in the garage when I pressed the button. Hell, look here, they even filled out this non-identifiable form.

I'm patiently waiting for an answer to that myself.

Here's a house at 1313 Mockingbird Lane.

They say there are 5 people living here.

Here's a house at 43:45.321N - 073:32.123W.

They say there are 5 people living here.

Now, you could say there 50 or 1 or a 1000.

What purpose would having a precise location serve to prevent "fraud"?

 

[Theocrat]

Before You Run Off an Enumerator, Read Your Constitution

I love you all, but some of you are just plain paranoid about this. As I stated in another thread, the Census is Constitutional, under Article I, Section 2, which says,

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct.

The primary reason for taking the Census is to determine the number of seats each state is entitled to in the U.S. House of Representatives. In order to ensure an accurate count of the citizens to that end, the federal government needs to have precise and verifiable data to update the current status of the U.S. population. Technology helps them accomplish that.

Some of you just need to relax and stop thinking that everything is based in conspiracy just because the federal government is involved in it.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I love you all, but some of you are just plain paranoid about this. As I stated in another thread, the Census is Constitutional, under Article I, Section 2, which says,



The primary reason for taking the Census is to determine the number of seats each state is entitled to in the U.S. House of Representatives. In order to ensure an accurate count of the citizens to that end, the federal government needs to have precise and verifiable data to update the current status of the U.S. population. Technology helps them accomplish that.

Some of you just need to relax and stop thinking that everything is based in conspiracy just because the federal government is involved in it.

Read 'em first Theo.

Just two posts above this I wrote:

I am going to make it abundantly clear that any questions or taking of data, beyond number of legal age residents for purposes of congressional apportionment, is unconstitutional, and you must leave my property posthaste.

Can you explain why a precise GPS location is required to fulfill those very limited constitutional duties?

 

[Goldhunter27]

The paranoia in this thread is over the top.

I'm not going to explain the process, but yes, it is to prevent fraud. If you're so worried, call your regional census office and they'll explain it to you.

Also, I, along with my co-workers, are not "ticks" nor "leeches."

 

[Theocrat]

Necessary for Accuracy

Read 'em first Theo.

Just two posts above this I wrote:



Can you explain why a precise GPS location is required to fulfill those very limited constitutional duties?

A precise GPS location is needed in order to mark a spot on their map as where an address is. It's the modern equivalent of placing a peg on a paper map for a particular location. This is necessary for when they send out census surveys next year to residents.

Some addresses no longer exist nor are required for GPS tracking, so they erase those from their maps depending on what address status they ascribe to the location. For instance, nonresidential locations are not tracked by GPS on their maps. The Census only applies to residential quarters, and even then, the citizens living in those quarters are protected by U.S.C. Title XIII. The only detailed information the federal government will have about your household is what you provide them in the survey.

If you're so concerned about being tracked by GPS, maybe you should reconsider owning a cell phone.

 

[asimplegirl]

I have never even SEEN a census in my lifetime...Is it just that I have always lived THAT far away from civilization or what?

Maybe I will see one this time, as I live closer to a town.

 

[james1844]

I just want to add my two cents.

1) Most census takers are Joe and Jane average who are are working for 9 dollars an hour trying to make ends meet. Giving them a hard time really isn't that helpful politically.

2) The GPS coordination is also help geolocate data. Geographic data is very important for social science. For example, many theories of criminology argue explicitly that crime is linked to rates of poverty in specific urban areas. Its necessary to have census data to adequately test these theories. This is also why they might be interested in if there are renters or homeowners in a specific residence.

3) The census is constitutional. Even that data that is collected that may go beyond the letter of the constitution, is in my view, appropriate and by and large prudently used.

Thanks,

James

 

[LATruth]

If and when I get my census I will answer what is constitutionally required of me and leave the rest blank. Its simple.

As far as the GPS data location, we'll have to cross that bridge when we get to it.

 

[ghengis86]

I just want to add my two cents.

1) Most census takers are Joe and Jane average who are are working for 9 dollars an hour trying to make ends meet. Giving them a hard time really isn't that helpful politically.

2) The GPS coordination is also help geolocate data. Geographic data is very important for social science. For example, many theories of criminology argue explicitly that crime is linked to rates of poverty in specific urban areas. Its necessary to have census data to adequately test these theories. This is also why they might be interested in if there are renters or homeowners in a specific residence.

3) The census is constitutional. Even that data that is collected that may go beyond the letter of the constitution, is in my view, appropriate and by and large prudently used.

Thanks,

James

1) they get $16/hr of stolen money
2) sure, you're right here; but why should the government be 'testing theories' and taking part of 'social science?'
3) Finding out the population is constitutional; going beyong the letter of the constitution is what's gotten us into such a sorry state of affairs.

 

[ghengis86]

If and when I get my census I will answer what is constitutionally required of me and leave the rest blank. Its simple.

As far as the GPS data location, we'll have to cross that bridge when we get to it.

what i'm going to do; what everyone should do. don't be overly mean, or overly nice to the tax eater that comes to your door. tell them you'll give them the number of people in the house and that's it

 

[james1844]

Hi CA,

The current population survey is a favorite tool for social scientists to evaluate the structural and sociological topography of the nation. CPS data has been used for things like:

1) Measuring the diaspora of African Americans out of the south in the 1960s.

2) Determining the efficiency of local roadways and transportation networks.

3) Evaluating marriage rates, birth rates, mortality statistics, etc. - This is important for determining how many people are in the US, where they are moving to, etc. etc.

4) Census data is also used to evaluate a number of criminological theories. For example, you can't calculate an accurate crime rate without accurate census data. The CPS data is a huge part of that.

So, historically and currently there are some very legitimate scientific uses for the Current Population Survey data.

Plus, nobody really cares about your answers specifically don't really have any use. Census data is only useful in the aggregate. Also, consider some empathy for the poor census taker. She probably gets like 9 dollars an hour to try to track you down. I guarantee people will be pressuring her to get your info and it totally sucks for her to have to make sure an effort and get nowhere. - I know and work with a fair amount of people in that line of work. Trust me its a drag.

Thanks,

James

I have been fighting the same census taker for the last 2 months. Though she stopped coming in the last 2 weeks, it seems.

She wanted ME to complete the "American Community Survey". She threatened ME with a $200 fine if I didn't complete it. I am still trying to find out how she could fine ME $200 dollars if she didn't even know MY name and didn't know for certain that I lived in the home, thus making ME "responsible" for the survey. MY home was randomly selected, she says.

I told her that if she wanted to fine ME for not complying she would first have to send ME the survey, certified registered mail. She didn't listen. She kept sending it regular mail to some guy name "Current Resident"

Oh Well. Haven't seen her since. BTW, if Current Resident is reading this, could you please file a change of address? K, thx.

Here is some good info on the Survey.

https://www.checkpointusa.org/Census/Census.htm

 

[torchbearer]

Hi CA,

The current population survey is a favorite tool for social scientists to evaluate the structural and sociological topography of the nation. CPS data has been used for things like:

1) Measuring the diaspora of African Americans out of the south in the 1960s.

2) Determining the efficiency of local roadways and transportation networks.

3) Evaluating marriage rates, birth rates, mortality statistics, etc. - This is important for determining how many people are in the US, where they are moving to, etc. etc.

4) Census data is also used to evaluate a number of criminological theories. For example, you can't calculate an accurate crime rate without accurate census data. The CPS data is a huge part of that.

So, historically and currently there are some very legitimate scientific uses for the Current Population Survey data.

Plus, nobody really cares about your answers specifically don't really have any use. Census data is only useful in the aggregate. Also, consider some empathy for the poor census taker. She probably gets like 9 dollars an hour to try to track you down. I guarantee people will be pressuring her to get your info and it totally sucks for her to have to make sure an effort and get nowhere. - I know and work with a fair amount of people in that line of work. Trust me its a drag.

Thanks,

James

That's why they came to my house just to ask me if I was "renting" to other people and that I was required by "law" to tell them this info.
They didn't want to know how many people were in my home, they wanted to know if I was renting out parts of my home.
They paid people to go around and ask that one question, and at the same time, enter in their GPS info. I'm not buying that benevolent bullshit and I'm a sociologist who understand the importance of data and research.

Do you realize that whatever you tell that government agent can be used against you in a court of law. The IRS could send these fucks to your house to force testimony out of you.

 

[Anti Federalist]

This is necessary for when they send out census surveys next year to residents.

The US mail requires latitude and longitude?

When did that happen?

You're making excuses, stop it.

There is no legitimate function for a precise GPS position to take a census of legal age citizens living in house. <that's a period.

Some addresses no longer exist nor are required for GPS tracking, so they erase those from their maps depending on what address status they ascribe to the location. For instance, nonresidential locations are not tracked by GPS on their maps. The Census only applies to residential quarters, and even then, the citizens living in those quarters are protected by U.S.C. Title XIII.

Again, precise position locations are not required to do this.

The only detailed information the federal government will have about your household is what you provide them in the survey.

Yeah, that and a precise coordinate of my front door.

If you're so concerned about being tracked by GPS, maybe you should reconsider owning a cell phone.

Where have you been?

I've already posted this a bunch of times, but I'll do it again.

My primary cel phone is a 14 year old i700 that is not GPS enabled. The only way you could get a hit on it is if you triangulated LOPs off two or more towers, a time consuming and cumbersome process. Where I live, the phone will only be in range of one tower (I checked) meaning that the best anybody could do is get an LOP bearing, but without being able to triangulate that, you'd have no idea where along that bearing line the phone was.

The secondary phone's GPS antenna is wrapped in autobody lead tape, rendering the signal useless.

And if I really don't want to be found, of course the first thing is to throw them away.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Do you realize that whatever you tell that government agent can be used against you in a court of law. The IRS could send these fucks to your house to force testimony out of you.

Thank you.

Really scary to see that 30 pieces of silver has still held it's value.

 

[Objectivist]

They've been in my hood twice, asking questions and I remained silent.