Judge Napolitano "Immigration is a right."

[torchbearer]

These people just seem peaceful, but they are trojan horses carrying in a virus called tyranny. While the United States was sending our men to die in both World Wars, Mexicans were spending time celebrating tyranny as a neutral nation by doing a lot of dancing, drinking, and eating. The fallacy is in why they come. Mexicans don't come to the United States because they are poor. They come to the United States because they are disillusioned. As many in the United States were raised by a culture that refuses hand outs and tries its best not be a burden on their families, Mexicans (that is who we are mostly talking about here) already know about the free government giveaways and will jump on and hump that stuff to death.

FEAR!!!! FEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mexicans!!!11! FEAR!!!!!!!

 

[AGRP]

Anyone agreeing with the Judge on this issue might as well get out of politics because it will never get you anywhere if you truly agree with what Napolitano said. You want a world without borders and the end of nations? Good luck with that, that is exactly what the NWO elite wants too. We will fight you to the bitter end, and you better hope we win or the whole world will be slaves of the elite.

You have it backwards. Theres a big difference between individual property rights and ownership vs. a "one world" government.

 

[LibertyEagle]

There is no right to become a citizen? Says who? Why are we free to move where we want, worship as we want, speak as we want, and defend ourselves.... but not free to live where we want without some arbitrary documentation issued by an arbitrary group of people?

The Judge is exactly right. His stance is the principled and consistent one.

National sovereignty isn't arbitrary. However, the globalists who have been working so hard to bring down our country are big supporters of what you advocate. Congrats.

I have no issue with people coming here to work. But, I do have a problem with them wholesale becoming citizens and sucking off of the welfare state. For those who want to become Americans and assimilate into our culture, they are of course, welcome. But, they need to follow our country's laws.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Anyone agreeing with the Judge on this issue might as well get out of politics because it will never get you anywhere if you truly agree with what Napolitano said. You want a world without borders and the end of nations? Good luck with that, that is exactly what the NWO elite wants too. We will fight you to the bitter end, and you better hope we win or the whole world will be slaves of the elite.

I think the Judge just meant that we have a natural right to live where we want. I didn't take it to mean the end of nations or borders.

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

*sigh*
Judging by your belligerant response, I can tell you don't understand economics........cause and effect. I'll explain it to you.
Regulations, taxes, and zoning adds to the expense of housing for the landlord. These expenses are passed on to the tenants to cover those costs, which raises housing prices. With me so far? So, if 'free labor' is permitted, employers will hire the cheaper imported workers, right? This will drop the wage scale. How will they pay their housing which was rigged at the higher rates? Do you think government will drop regulations and taxes, change zoning to allow trailers in brick neighborhoods so housing will drop to affordable levels? I wouldn't bet on it, skippy! Were it not for the regulations and taxes, I could probably find a place for a hundred bucks a month.

Yes. The people's need to work is more important than the people's need to find a place to live. They can't do both. That is the problem. If you disagree with this, consider yourself a part of the problem. We already went through this during the Great Depression so we don't have to go through it again. I mean, isn't that what the historians mean when they say those who fail to learn from the past are doomed to repeat it? Open up the parks so people can live in tents and go to work. To hell with your property values. Something has to give here and, the sooner we accept this truth, the less people will suffer and the better the economy will be because of it.

 

[torchbearer]

FYI- the "mexicans" get paid on average $10 an hour as a field hand. foremans make more.
they live in louisiana just fine.
most people here are knee deep in propoganda that doesn't fit reality.

 

[Ender]

I believe a good criterion to use is World War Two. The people living in any nation that didn't participate in that war shouldn't be considered for immigration. We are here to fight against tyranny, not to celebrate it.

BS.

WWII was a war that was caused by the US entering WWI. If we had stayed out of that phony war, which was basically a land dispute, it would have turned into a hiccup. Sadly we entered to further our global interests and then punished Germany for the whole affair- of which they were NOT the big blame- and sent them into poverty with the Versailles Treaty. This gave Hitler the ammo he needed.

AND- if we had stayed out of WWII, it would probably have also been a small time affair, but FDR forced the Japanese into bombing Pearl Harbor with his sanctions, and then conned Americans into the war because of Pearl Harbor.

People who did not participate in that war were probably the sanest on the planet, at that time.

 

[Ender]

Yes. The people's need to work is more important than the people's need to find a place to live. They can't do both. That is the problem. If you disagree with this, consider yourself a part of the problem. We already went through this during the Great Depression so we don't have to go through it again. I mean, isn't that what the historians mean when they say those who fail to learn from the past are doomed to repeat it? Open up the parks so people can live in tents and go to work. To hell with your property values. Something has to give here and, the sooner we accept this truth, the less people will suffer and the better the economy will be because of it.

The Great Depression was caused and extended by FDR and his policies- the same kinds of policies that have been pushed upon this people since at least 1913. Harding had basically pulled America out of a depression with sound fiscal princlples but "died" in office and then was connected by TPTB to the Teapot Dome scandal, of which he had no part.

I know, I know, Harding who.....?

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

FEAR!!!! FEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mexicans!!!11! FEAR!!!!!!!

First off, I know Mexicans. I live in Texas. My sons are half Mexican. I speak pretty good Spanish. Mexicans aren't any different than any other person when they are blended up to their most basic of elements. Here we agree. What I'm concerned about is the disillusionment of those living within the interior of the United States. Mexican culture breeds gangs. To understand why, look at Mexico. There, the big families pick on little families. As blood is thicker than water, the blood is like concrete in Mexico. While there might seem like a lot of love in the family of a Mexican, remember, no greater love exists than giving ones life for a friend. Meaning that, in the United States, water should be thicker than blood. I understand this danger from personal experience. We are allowing tyranny to give away the lightning we have in a bottle.

 

[Deborah K]

they do have "permits", but didn't always have permits.
Why should I ask you for permission to hire someone with my money to work on my land?
This is the tyranny i see all over this thread.
Stop aggressing against your neighbors.

Tell it to the state, Torch.

 

[AGRP]

Has this turned into another anarchist vs. minarchist debate?

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

BS.

WWII was a war that was caused by the US entering WWI. If we had stayed out of that phony war, which was basically a land dispute, it would have turned into a hiccup. Sadly we entered to further our global interests and then punished Germany for the whole affair- of which they were NOT the big blame- and sent them into poverty with the Versailles Treaty. This gave Hitler the ammo he needed.

AND- if we had stayed out of WWII, it would probably have also been a small time affair, but FDR forced the Japanese into bombing Pearl Harbor with his sanctions, and then conned Americans into the war because of Pearl Harbor.

People who did not participate in that war were probably the sanest on the planet, at that time.

This is why I don't like bickering about the petty issues. First off, where do you live? Do you live along a border state? Are the gangs filtering into your state? Are the people right across the border getting their heads cut off? Is the president giving assault rifles to these gangs?

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

The Great Depression was caused and extended by FDR and his policies- the same kinds of policies that have been pushed upon this people since at least 1913. Harding had basically pulled America out of a depression with sound fiscal princlples but "died" in office and then was connected by TPTB to the Teapot Dome scandal, of which he had no part.

I know, I know, Harding who.....?

First off, there is no such thing as a Federal economy. In fact, the Great recession going on right now in most of our Democratic Republic hasn't been felt that much in Texas. You people are just too dramatic. When we lose our high paying jobs down here, we just go get a lousy one. You guys want to fall off a cliff and pull everyone down with you because you are the center of the universe. I say, go ahead and crater. Have fun. Just don't pull us down with you. As authority at the level of an empire is supposed to be dissolved within a Democratic Republic, as in we are supposed to have a very limited Federal government, the state of Texas isn't part of your global economy nonsense.
And thank goodness for that, for as that cuts out a whole lot of nonsense that doesn't even need discussing, that leaves a whole lot of time to go fishing.

 

[Ender]

This is why I don't like bickering about the petty issues. First off, where do you live? Do you live along a border state? Are the gangs filtering into your state? Are the people right across the border getting their heads cut off? Is the president giving assault rifles to these gangs?

There are gangs in every state and the cause of most gang and border problems is the WoD.

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

There are gangs in every state and the cause of most gang and border problems is the WoD.

Where do you live?

 

[LibertyEagle]

There are gangs in every state and the cause of most gang and border problems is the WoD.

You know, that's really easy to say when you aren't one of the ranchers who have been driven off of their ranches by the scum-sucking Mexican gangs that cross the border, trespass and trash their ranches and have murdered Americans.

 

[erowe1]

There is really nothing tricky about it, the citizens of a nation have the right to say who they want to allow in and who they do not want to allow in. If people don't like it, tough, go start your own nation!

Which citizens have that right? Your last sentence implies that apparently some of us don't.

 

[erowe1]

Seriously? You really think that I said that?

There are two possibilities. One possibility is that you agree with what I said that "whether there is or isn't such a culture, what this culture should be if there is one, and whether such a thing should be preserved or changed, are none of the government's business." The other possibility is that you do think those things are the government's business.

I'll be the first to admit that you've been utterly unclear about which of those positions is yours. But those are your only two choices.

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Which citizens have that right? Your last sentence implies that apparently some of us don't.

It's funny how the destabilizing antagonists like to pester Americans with how ineffectual the Constitution has become. They point how we've lost a little over here, then, to avoid getting people too pissed, they run over there to point how the second amendment needs amending, then, to again avoid getting the people too pissed, they run way over yonder to question property rights.

 

[Ender]

First off, there is no such thing as a Federal economy. In fact, the Great recession going on right now in most of our Democratic Republic hasn't been felt that much in Texas. You people are just too dramatic. When we lose our high paying jobs down here, we just go get a lousy one. You guys want to fall off a cliff and pull everyone down with you because you are the center of the universe. I say, go ahead and crater. Have fun. Just don't pull us down with you. As authority at the level of an empire is supposed to be dissolved within a Democratic Republic, as in we are supposed to have a very limited Federal government, the state of Texas isn't part of your global economy nonsense.
And thank goodness for that, for as that cuts out a whole lot of nonsense that doesn't even need discussing, that leaves a whole lot of time to go fishing.

So.....never heard of the Federal Reserve? The fiat dollar? The gold standard? Free enterprise? Real capitalism and not mercantilism?

BTW- we are NOT a democratic republic; we are supposed to be a constitutional republic.