Judge Napolitano "Immigration is a right."

[erowe1]

There is a process. Abide by it.

We have a word for people who don't abide by the processes their government tells them to.

Patriots.

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

We have a word for people who don't abide by the processes their government tells them to.

Patriots.

I just explained why what you are stating here isn't true. Our Founders bent over backwards to make sure everything was legit according to the highest authority. Gee, why do you think it caused so much commotion? Like I said, both the legal precedence during that time in establishing a new nation, and the scientific method of natural law our Founders utilized to overturn that legal precedence, were ordained by the church. Natural Law was based on Aristotle's works which the Catholic church adopted as God's natural laws. Every natural philosopher had to be a member of the clergy. So, our Founders were justified in throwing out the old order and replacing it with a new one. Problem is, the new order changed everything.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Is emmigration a right?

Depends on your origination, destination and wealth.

 

[dinosaur]

Great. So then can you tell me where in the Constitution it authorizes the federal government to dictate our culture to us?

It dictates the idea of respect for individual rights over collective rights. You will find this in the Bill of Rights. If you think that this is present in all cultures, think again.

 

[fr33]

"We call the scar tissue from abuse 'culture' so that we don't have to think it's true but can still revere it."— Stefan Molyneux

I'm not his biggest fan but I like that quote.

 

[fisharmor]

But, they need to follow our country's laws.

Still waiting for someone to explain the constitutionality of the immigration laws.....

 

[The Gold Standard]

I don't think anyone is advocating opening the borders while the government maintains the massive welfare state. Still, the judge is right.

Every person has the right to travel on any unowned property.

Only individuals can own property. Governments can not. Therefore all government land is free to be traveled upon by anyone.

Every person is born with the right to their property and the means to defend it. All rights come from this. No one is born with the right to vote. No one is born with the right to be a citizen. Just because anyone is free to travel on unowned land doesn't mean those people have the right to come in and take the country over.

Of course, if you get rid of the welfare state many of the immigrants will go home anyway.

 

[Ender]

It is almost like you didn't read what I wrote. When one established a government in the past utilizing legal precedence, something which was sanctioned by the authority of God through the church, then law existed for the sake of law. As our Founders utilized the scientific method of natural law, something which was also ordained by the authority of God through the church, then the prior legal precedence involved with establishing a new nation, something which existed forever, was over turned. The natural law then redefined a civilization as one that advanced, in that a civilization that only maintained itself was one in a state of futility as was the case with the long established dynasties in Egypt and China.
This established a new order.
So, when the Constitution was created, it, by the definition of the natural law, had to be submissive to the new order.
Therefore, we should be submissive to authority while disobeying any law legislated that would violate the new order.

TALK ABOUT NOT READING......

One more time- the Declaration and the united States of America was patterned after the Iroquois Confederacy of Peace. This came from 6 tribes of American Indians who were ALREADY LIVING in a united peace. They did not live under a dynasty. The Constitution was actually a HAMILTONIAN takeover of the original confederacy- thus the Bill of Rights, which somewhat neutralized the takeover, but obviously not enough.

 

[Anti Federalist]

As long as they cannot vote, OK.

 

[otherone]

It dictates the idea of respect for individual rights over collective rights. You will find this in the Bill of Rights. If you think that this is present in all cultures, think again.

You understand that the "culture" that has been undermining our individual Rights is our own culture?

 

[LibertyEagle]

There is a solution to that- called the 2nd Amendment.

Uh huh. One rancher against a gang that has been supplied by Fast and Furious. Yeah, that's realistic.

 

[LibertyEagle]

You understand that the "culture" that has been undermining our individual Rights is our own culture?

You two are talking about different cultures. He, I believe, was talking about the culture that used to be the norm in our country; you are talking about what our culture has been perverted into by the globalists trying to destroy us.

 

[fisharmor]

I don't think anyone is advocating opening the borders while the government maintains the massive welfare state.
....
Of course, if you get rid of the welfare state many of the immigrants will go home anyway.

Where are the studies on this? What are your numbers?

Every illegal I know works his ass off, pays taxes, and isn't expecting shit out of the welfare system.
They're not coming here for medicare. They're coming here to shove their hands into buckets full of drywall screws for 20 years. Or listen to small engines and have pebbles shot at high speed into their faces for 20 years.

The first point to make here is NO, they are NOT coming here for welfare: they're coming here for work.
The second point is the one I've made already in this thread: even if they are coming here for welfare, that doesn't make closed borders constitutional, it doesn't make closed borders support the rule of law, and two wrongs do not make a right.

If we would just cut the crap and talk to these people, I think you'd find that they're pretty receptive to the idea of liberty. But you have to stop trying to take away everything they've worked for.

 

[BAllen]

You two are talking about different cultures. He, I believe, was talking about the culture that used to be the norm in our country; you are talking about what our culture has been perverted into by the globalists trying to destroy us.

Right. The marxists' culture war. Bad culture= conservative Good culture= socialist.

 

[otherone]

You two are talking about different cultures. He, I believe, was talking about the culture that used to be the norm in our country; you are talking about what our culture has been perverted into by the globalists trying to destroy us.

No, you and he are talking about a myth; I'm talking about reality. Lincoln was not a globalist. Our Rights have been eroded from day one by good old-fashioned, apple-pie eatin' whiskey-belchin' god-fearin' white folk.

 

[No Free Beer]

Who are you talking about? Ron Paul?

And what does that comment have to do with the quote you were supposedly replying to?

Ron Paul isn't in favor of open borders.

 

[LibertyEagle]

No, you and he are talking about a myth; I'm talking about reality. Lincoln was not a globalist. Our Rights have been eroded from day one by good old-fashioned, apple-pie eatin' whiskey-belchin' god-fearin' white folk.

"white folk"? That is how you define people; by the color of their skin? Really?

I am talking about people who used to know the real reason for the 2nd amendment. People who didn't like to be told what to do, how to do it and when to do it; especially by government. People who knew what capitalism was and believed the most they should have to do to open a business was to hang a proverbial shingle out. People who knew that this country offered them an equal opportunity; not equal outcome. People who stood on their own two feet and knew they could make it on their own, rather than now when so many believe they must suck from government's teat. People who knew that government served at their whim; not the other way around. People who understood the dangers of allowing government to spy on you and when many more fought tooth and nail when the government overstepped its boundaries.

You call it a myth. I saw it with my own two eyes. This country was founded on rugged individualism. People have lost faith in themselves and no longer understand the principles upon which this country was founded.

 

[UMULAS]

"white folk"? That is how you define people; by the color of their skin? Really?

RPF's really need to create a Lincoln Douglas debate since this is getting a bit out of hand and we can't comprehend that much of what people want to say.


Therefore, I challenge anyone to an online lincoln douglas debate on the issue of immigration.

It can also be a public forums.

Just an idea.

 

[otherone]

"white folk"? That is how you define people; by the color of their skin? Really?

You've missed the point, and have attacked me as a prog would. Congrats. Ya know, back in the 19th century Globalists were known as "Papists", and the threat of them was used as justification for immigration control.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Right. The marxists' culture war. Bad culture= conservative Good culture= socialist.

I think that instead of conservative, maybe something like individualist.