Judge Napolitano "Immigration is a right."

Yes there are sub-cultures within a larger culture.

And cultures side-by-side, and cultures surrounded by other cultures, and one culture split up into different places on opposite sides of the globe, some ruled by one regime some by another, and so on, sometimes multiple cultures ruled by one regime, sometimes multiple regimes ruling over one culture. Sometimes these regimes try to dictate to those they rule what their culture is to be. When they do that, they do wrong.

Yes, the canstitution can trample on someone's culture. The constitution reflects our values, not everyone shares those values. Values really define a culture. Some people think that people should be told how many babies to have because they place a higher value on not putting a big footprint on the earth, than they do on self-ownership, freedom of religion, and individual rights. Who are we to dictate to them that they are wrong?

Who is this "us" whose values you think the Constitution reflects? And what's your basis for saying it does that?
 
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Who is this "us" whose values you think the Constitution reflects? And what's your basis for saying it does that?

"Us" are people whose values lead them to only want government to have those specific, enumerated powers.
 
"Us" are people whose values lead them to only want government to have those specific, enumerated powers.

So the "us" whose culture the Constitution supposedly reflects is not the same group of people as the people who are ruled over by the federal government? If that's true, then doesn't that make it irrelevant?

And I still don't get how you can say that the Constitution enumerates the power of regulating culture. Where is that in the Constitution?
 
And I still don't get how you can say that the Constitution enumerates the power of regulating culture. Where is that in the Constitution?

Seriously? You really think that I said that? Let me clarify: The constitution does reflect a certain value set. Whether or not it says that it does is irrelevant.
 
And I still don't get how you can say that the Constitution enumerates the power of regulating culture. Where is that in the Constitution?


That's not what he's saying. What he is saying is that government is a reflection of the values of the culture governed (I think). As an example, if the population of the US were to become, say, 60 percent Islamic, then that majority would then opt for, or have the ability to change our system to Sharia Law.
Apologies if misinterpreted.
 
That's not what he's saying. What he is saying is that government is a reflection of the values of the culture governed (I think). As an example, if the population of the US were to become, say, 60 percent Islamic, then that majority would then opt for, or have the ability to change our system to Sharia Law.
Apologies if misinterpreted.
Thank you. Values are a part of culture.
 
What stops them from getting green cards? Are you not in favor of a country having immigration laws? Would you be happy if our population swelled to that of India or China? Resources are not limitless.


they do have "permits", but didn't always have permits.
Why should I ask you for permission to hire someone with my money to work on my land?
This is the tyranny i see all over this thread.
Stop aggressing against your neighbors.
 
they do have "permits", but didn't always have permits.
Why should I ask you for permission to hire someone with my money to work on my land?
This is the tyranny i see all over this thread.
Stop aggressing against your neighbors.

Because other things are not free in the marketplace. Like the rigging of housing and food prices. That has to be fixed first, before any discussion on free immigration and hiring.
 
I think this is a tricky question. Could you be trespassing in some way? What if a bunch of libertarians set up a small libertarian country on an island. Do they have to allow anyone to land on their island? What if it's a known marxist terrorist? I'll have to think about this one. Obviously you have the right to LEAVE but do you have the right to ENTER? Hmmm...
 
I think this is a tricky question. Could you be trespassing in some way? What if a bunch of libertarians set up a small libertarian country on an island. Do they have to allow anyone to land on their island? What if it's a known marxist terrorist? I'll have to think about this one. Obviously you have the right to LEAVE but do you have the right to ENTER? Hmmm...

There is really nothing tricky about it, the citizens of a nation have the right to say who they want to allow in and who they do not want to allow in. If people don't like it, tough, go start your own nation!
 
Serious question for those who disagree with the Judge:

Should travel be restricted between the U.S. and other countries (both ways)?
If someone from another country travels here, how long is too long to stay?
Would you feel differently if we didn't have a "welfare state"?
 
Would you be okay with each state having its own immigration laws?

The issue reduces down further than that. First we have to reduce to our Founders. Most people don't understand what I'm talking about. As we like fast food, we also like fast discussions with little nutritive value. Therefore, when super American intellects like William F. Buckley and Noam Chomsky got together, for the sake of entertainment, they both started off from opposing platforms of conservative and liberal. Yet, this is a long standing sophist trick. Rather than solve endless problems by discussing issues this way, we need to instead dissolve most of the issues by reducing to what is American.
I do this by the use of a better American political spectrum. As the old political spectrum of Aristotle's golden-mean expands out in two extreme directions endlessly, I put an enthroned king on one end and a homeless prostitute on the other. The reason for this updated spectrum is to do away with any compromise, something the king and his lawyers always managed to achieve, by including "all men" into the discussion. In other words, as the king and the prostitute exist as inverses or perverses an eternity away from each other on opposite ends of the spectrum, the rest of us exist in the middle either represented by the king as part of a necessary tyranny or represented by the prostitute as part of a disadvantaged majority.
This true dichotomy, a conflict, is the true one exposing all others as false. Such false dichotomies are black versus white, old versus young, male versus female, homo versus heterosexuality, and so on. The contempt I am trying to expose here is how the false dichotomies distract the disadvantaged majority from focusing on the one true dichotomy, with this being a conflict which has been happening for all of eternity.
Okay. so in using this political spectrum as the American model regarding the discussion of immigration laws, how would allowing in workers from outside our borders effect both the king and the prostitute? I haven't started off this discussion from an established political platform. I am really working here. I am trying first to reduce to common ground which is what Socrates always attempted to do when he was establishing a whole new order for Western Civilization. According to Plato, as Socrates spent most of his time reducing to a greater quality truth by the use of his dialectical truth engine, his questioning teaching method, it was only during casual conversation with Socrates that he was able to get the great Sage to elaborate on any of his theories.
By Sage, I mean that Socrates wasn't an elite. He wasn't an official training type of teacher as he often referred to himself as a midwife philosopher to the poor (he believed the mind of a slave child could learn to improve, an extremely dangerous notion, if it was served by someone such as himself). Out of Socrates came not just an order, but a new order for Western Civilization. As he pondered a perplexing question: if every soul did indeed originate from a perfect Soul, then why would every individual's soul be born different? His best answer to this oddity was his theory called "recollection." Being as his mother served as a midwife to the poor, Socrates knew of he birthing process; so, he concluded that people are born different into the world because of the trauma they receive during that time. As each soul is born losing varying amounts of knowledge, it spends its life "recollecting" pieces of what was lost.
So, this is why one soul would develop to be an enthroned king on one end of the spectrum while the other would develop to be a homeless prostitute on the other end of it.
No more compromising. A better American way is reducing to what is American and knowing that that truth alone will dissolve most of the issues.
 
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Because other things are not free in the marketplace. Like the rigging of housing and food prices. That has to be fixed first, before any discussion on free immigration and hiring.

My right to property doesn't take backseat to shit.
Respect property rights, and the rest takes care of itself.
 
I think this is a tricky question. Could you be trespassing in some way? What if a bunch of libertarians set up a small libertarian country on an island. Do they have to allow anyone to land on their island? What if it's a known marxist terrorist? I'll have to think about this one. Obviously you have the right to LEAVE but do you have the right to ENTER? Hmmm...

You have a right to enter if a property owner invites you.
That is why these immigrants are here in louisiana. they are needed.
 
Anyone agreeing with the Judge on this issue might as well get out of politics because it will never get you anywhere if you truly agree with what Napolitano said. You want a world without borders and the end of nations? Good luck with that, that is exactly what the NWO elite wants too. We will fight you to the bitter end, and you better hope we win or the whole world will be slaves of the elite.
 
You have a right to enter if a property owner invites you.
That is why these immigrants are here in louisiana. they are needed.

These people just seem peaceful, but they are trojan horses carrying in a virus called tyranny. While the United States was sending our men to die in both World Wars, Mexicans were spending time celebrating tyranny as a neutral nation by doing a lot of dancing, drinking, and eating. The fallacy is in why they come. Mexicans don't come to the United States because they are poor. They come to the United States because they are disillusioned. As many in the United States were raised by a culture that refuses hand outs and tries its best not be a burden on their families, Mexicans (that is who we are mostly talking about here) already know about the free government giveaways and will jump on and hump that stuff to death.
 
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My right to property doesn't take backseat to shit.
Respect property rights, and the rest takes care of itself.

*sigh*
Judging by your belligerant response, I can tell you don't understand economics........cause and effect. I'll explain it to you.
Regulations, taxes, and zoning adds to the expense of housing for the landlord. These expenses are passed on to the tenants to cover those costs, which raises housing prices. With me so far? So, if 'free labor' is permitted, employers will hire the cheaper imported workers, right? This will drop the wage scale. How will they pay their housing which was rigged at the higher rates? Do you think government will drop regulations and taxes, change zoning to allow trailers in brick neighborhoods so housing will drop to affordable levels? I wouldn't bet on it, skippy! Were it not for the regulations and taxes, I could probably find a place for a hundred bucks a month.
 
*sigh*
Judging by your belligerant response, I can tell you don't understand economics........cause and effect. I'll explain it to you.
Regulations, taxes, and zoning adds to the expense of housing for the landlord. These expenses are passed on to the tenants to cover those costs, which raises housing prices. With me so far? So, if 'free labor' is permitted, employers will hire the cheaper imported workers, right? This will drop the wage scale. How will they pay their housing which was rigged at the higher rates? Do you think government will drop regulations and taxes, change zoning to allow trailers in brick neighborhoods so housing will drop to affordable levels? I wouldn't bet on it, skippy! Were it not for the regulations and taxes, I could probably find a place for a hundred bucks a month.

what does that have to with my rights?
You can argue my rights hurt economics all you want... they are unalienable and you still intend to tread on them.

YOu are telling me you have the soverienty over me and my property in order to tell me who i can hire because you think it makes economic sense?
Tort Law is where you can argue damages.
Of course, with this population- you'd win and the local government would claim my land for someone else who would generate more taxes... but rights are only for when it convenient for others.
 
Anyone agreeing with the Judge on this issue might as well get out of politics because it will never get you anywhere if you truly agree with what Napolitano said. You want a world without borders and the end of nations? Good luck with that, that is exactly what the NWO elite wants too. We will fight you to the bitter end, and you better hope we win or the whole world will be slaves of the elite.

I believe a good criterion to use is World War Two. The people living in any nation that didn't participate in that war shouldn't be considered for immigration. We are here to fight against tyranny, not to celebrate it.
 
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