Judge Blocks Florida Law Requiring Welfare Applicants to Pass Drug Test

[pcosmar]

Amazing to see the support for the War on drUgS.
Test em if they work and test em if they don't. BUT TEST em.
That has the full support of some here.

no wonder Ron Paul has such a hard time.
Folks just do not understand Liberty.

 

[Guitarzan]

Amazing to see the support for the War on drUgS.
Test em if they work and test em if they don't. BUT TEST em.
That has the full support of some here.

no wonder Ron Paul has such a hard time.
Folks just do not understand Liberty.

Look, I'm on your side in that I don't like drug testing. But I don't like it because I like to partake in a smoke here and there. I simply avoid employers that drug test. And I don't think that partaking in a smoke outside of my job effects my job performance one bit. But how can you say that your argument is on the side of liberty when your argument violates the right of the property owner?

 

[steph3n]

Amazing to see the support for the War on drUgS.
Test em if they work and test em if they don't. BUT TEST em.
That has the full support of some here.

no wonder Ron Paul has such a hard time.
Folks just do not understand Liberty.

No support for war on drugs from here. That is where you are fully mistaken

I'd like for a test to find if someone is a gaming addict that is going to be lacking in job performance due to their lack of self discipline as well, that's a bigger problem for me than any 'drugs'. firing people for bad job performance is no fun and a total waste of money. I've got the 'testing' almost down now.

 

[Danke]

There is such rampant abuse with the system. A friend used to visit a convenience store daily, and always at the beginning of the month, it was always packed. He asked the owner one day why that was and he told him it was because it was when the welfare checks showed up. People would come in and buy booze, cigarettes and lotto tickets.

If they get rich playing the Lotto, then they are off welfare. If they get sick and die early from cigarettes and alcohol, they are off welfare. What is your problem, Cowlesy?

 

[pcosmar]

Look, I'm on your side in that I don't like drug testing. But I don't like it because I like to partake in a smoke here and there. I simply avoid employers that drug test. And I don't think that partaking in a smoke outside of my job effects my job performance one bit. But how can you say that your argument is on the side of liberty when your argument violates the right of the property owner?

Me, I would take any job that comes and testing as well. I'm mercenary like that. and have been out of work 5 years.
I oppose it just the same , on principle.

It's just wrong. I am disheartened by the support for it here though.

 

[steph3n]

If they get rich playing the Lotto, then they are off welfare. If they get sick and die early from cigarettes and alcohol, they are off welfare. What is your problem, Cowlesy?

It doesn't work that way.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_local...gan-lottery-winner-defends-use-of-food-stamps

 

[steph3n]

Me, I would take any job that comes and testing as well. I'm mercenary like that. and have been out of work 5 years.
I oppose it just the same , on principle.

It's just wrong. I am disheartened by the support for it here though.

Maybe that is why you are libertarian, and I am minarchist. you want enough government to say its legal, even in a place of work (ok that maybe over stating, as you've said you'd take testing etc to get a job), where I want no laws on it, and it is up to the contract between employer and employee fully.

If it is my building, my business, my reputation, I want that exemplified through my employees without compromise. I may be hard to work for by some people, so be it.

 

[QueenB4Liberty]

Look, I'm on your side in that I don't like drug testing. But I don't like it because I like to partake in a smoke here and there. I simply avoid employers that drug test. And I don't think that partaking in a smoke outside of my job effects my job performance one bit. But how can you say that your argument is on the side of liberty when your argument violates the right of the property owner?

I agree with this.

It's a condition of employment.

I'm against random drug testing for anyone though.

Not sure about people on welfare. If it isn't random, it won't work, and even then, it might not work for reasons others have mentioned. But it will most certainly cost money.

 

[pcosmar]

I may be hard to work for by some people, so be it.

A man I worked for in the Keys was a hard man to work for.
Told me on the first day that he did NOT carry any insurance (work mans comp, liability, etc)
"Don't hurt yourself"
He also included some green herb in my pay from time to time. Had a reputation as one of the very best shops in the Keys.

When I had a toothache, he made a home remedy that took my pain from screaming maniacal pain down to manageable, put me in his car and took me to a dentist. Had the tooth pulled.
he needed me back on the job with a clear head. Totally selfish on his part.

I learned a lot from that man. may he rest in peace.
God I miss good pirates.

 

[steph3n]

When I had a toothache, he made a home remedy that took my pain from screaming maniacal pain down to manageable, put me in his car and took me to a dentist. Had the tooth pulled.

And you know, I'd have no problem with that at all. Even if it was some 'illegal' currently substance. It really doesn't matter to me that is not drug abuse, that is a medicinal purpose.
I am against abuse and addiction, of any sort, like I said gaming is a big problem as well. I am just as much against people that go to the doctor for every pimple and bruise.

 

[jkr]

yeeeehaaaswww more bureaucrats...we needed more of those!

and just think of the "fine revenue"!

ONLY if u pee first, and i only give oral drug tests...

keep you "charity"

 

[pcosmar]

And you know, I'd have no problem with that at all. Even if it was some 'illegal' currently substance. It really doesn't matter to me that is not drug abuse, that is a medicinal purpose.
I am against abuse and addiction, of any sort, like I said gaming is a big problem as well. I am just as much against people that go to the doctor for every pimple and bruise.

Nope, That was Coconut. And a neat trick that I've passed to others.
But we did burn some in the paint booth, there and other shops. I have known several successful businessmen/owners that use pot.
I have known many professionals in various fields that do.
Government FUD is bullshit.

 

[Humanae Libertas]

More bureaucracy != less bureaucracy.

As someone else said: two wrong don't make a right. Welfare is a corrupt system, instead of trying to drug test them (which won't work), why not limit how much they can get and cut them off completely for good.

 

[QueenB4Liberty]

More bureaucracy != less bureaucracy.

As someone else said: two wrong don't make a right. Welfare is a corrupt system, instead of trying to drug test them (which won't work), why not limit how much they can get and cut them off completely for good.

But then there wouldn't be as many people giving consent to be treated like children. I don't think they want that. They want more welfare.

 

[AgentOrange]

I think this is a bad idea. Its against the 4th amendmend, its ineffective (lots of false negs/positives & roundabouts), and 2 wrongs don't make a right. As for private employers testing, I have no problem with that, but I wonder how many would test if they weren't getting tax breaks and/or subsidies for testing and/or if it weren't required by law (as it is for some professions?)

 

[pcosmar]

but I wonder how many would test if they weren't getting tax breaks and/or subsidies for testing and/or if it weren't required by law (as it is for some professions?)

Or forced to by Insurance Companies that are in turn deeply involved with the government, that makes the regulations that require insurance.

 

[osan]

Florida Bill Forcing Welfare Drug Tests

From an ideal standpoint, this is nothing to write home about. From what I may term a "reasonable" standpoint, it is a good step in the right direction. Perhaps the elimination of welfare entirely may be somewhere on the distant horizon? I know... but it's nice to dream.

I wonder what fallout will be precipitated by this. Has the "racist" label been thrown at him yet?

 

[AuH20]

No recreational drugs on my dime. I'm forced to pay into this god forsaken Ponzi scheme. There is no opting out, but I'm plotting.

 

[Anti Federalist]

If you are living on the teet of government, except this, I applaud it. I want as little of my money wasted as possible. While at it test for other things too.

maybe enough people will feel offended by it they will get jobs and stop living off big mama govt.

Where they will get promptly drug tested.

I'm like this :-/ on this whole issue.

 

[outspoken]

I am opposed to having those who need govt to sustain their existence having the same rights and privileges as those who do not such off the teet of govt... The ACLU needs to be willing to differentiate between these two groups of Americans because only one group is entitled to all the benefits of liberty one of which is privacy and the right to do what you want with your body. The best way is to just do away with the programs altogether and permit charity of free will to decide who should be given a hand up and now more hand outs.