Judge Blocks Florida Law Requiring Welfare Applicants to Pass Drug Test

specsaregood said:
Monthly urine tests should be near enough to cover most people. I think the $$ saved would outweigh the costs.
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No, I am saying the government could start requiring a lot more of its people in payment for the "protection", healthcare or other handouts it provides. They could be testing your blood every month for the fat content or requiring you to buy government endorsed cars for safety "standards". The subsidy simply shouldn't be there in the first place and if the government feels it can regulate how someone lives before it gives the subsidy, then they can start classifying a lot of things as subsidies.
 
There is such rampant abuse with the system. A friend used to visit a convenience store daily, and always at the beginning of the month, it was always packed. He asked the owner one day why that was and he told him it was because it was when the welfare checks showed up. People would come in and buy booze, cigarettes and lotto tickets. He wouldn't see those people until next month when the checks arrived again.

I didn't even think you could buy any of the three items noted above with those, but I am sure there are countless ways to work the system.

So if we get can weed out a few abusers with this law, I am all for it. While I know you can never rid the whole system of abuse, if it frees up resources that can be used for people who truly fall on hard times and need some help, I am fine with that, even though I am philosophically opposed to the system in its entirety.

These people who just count on it as supplemental income need to be thrown out of the system on their ears and be forced into having a modicum of personal responsibility.
 
specsaregood said:
Monthly urine tests should be near enough to cover most people. I think the $$ saved would outweigh the costs.
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Alcohol is out of the system within 48 hrs. Same with most "hard" drugs. Drug testing pretty much only catches potheads, unless the person getting tested used within the last day or two.
 
TexanRudeBoy said:
Alcohol is out of the system within 48 hrs. Same with most "hard" drugs. Drug testing pretty much only catches potheads, unless the person getting tested used within the last day or two.
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Right, which is why you randomize the testing schedule, so the recipients never know when they might be called in to test.

Hell, I'd weight the scheduling to be the days following the cashing of the welfare check.
 
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Cowlesy said:
There is such rampant abuse with the system. A friend used to visit a convenience store daily, and always at the beginning of the month, it was always packed. He asked the owner one day why that was and he told him it was because it was when the welfare checks showed up. People would come in and buy booze, cigarettes and lotto tickets. He wouldn't see those people until next month when the checks arrived again.

I didn't even think you could buy any of the three items noted above with those, but I am sure there are countless ways to work the system.

So if we get can weed out a few abusers with this law, I am all for it. While I know you can never rid the whole system of abuse, if it frees up resources that can be used for people who truly fall on hard times and need some help, I am fine with that, even though I am philosophically opposed to the system in its entirety.

These people who just count on it as supplemental income need to be thrown out of the system on their ears and be forced into having a modicum of personal responsibility.
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We've got generations of people growing up learning only how to scam the government. You should hear the stories the girls I work with tell. From people who haven't worked for years getting huge tax "refunds", people with plenty of income receiving food stamps or subsidized (and furnished) housing, selling of children's SSNs to obtain more illegal benefits. The worst part is they have absolutely no shame about it. They tell me how people literally feel entitled to it. Its downright ludicrous.
 
specsaregood said:
Right, which is why you randomize the testing schedule, so the recipients never know when they might be called in to test.
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You may catch a few more, but on the whole all its going to do is weed out potheads. Any friends I've ever known on probation stopped smoking weed, but they continued to drink and enjoy other drugs because they knew they could get around those.

The main reason is the way traces of the drugs are stored in your system. Alcohol and cocaine are water soluble. You can literally rid your body of them by drinking more water. Especially leading up to a test.

THC is fat soluble. It stores in your fat cells. Besides having the longest natural half-life, you can't speed up the process of ridding your body of it except by burning fat (this is a reason niacin is a popular "cleanser").

You can randomize it all you want but the facts are random and regular drug tests really only catch potheads.
 
Guess who owns the drug testing company? Rick Scott's wife (he signed off control of Solantic to her when he became Gov). All
100,000 state employees are also ordered to be tested at random every 3 months.
 
I'm opposed to Welfare.
I'm opposed to drug testing.

Nothing good will come of this.
 
Thumbs way down for this. I don't like big government in anyone's piss. It's shameful enough (to some) to be on welfare, and now they're going to get in their piss like they're some kind of thug.
 
TexanRudeBoy said:
You may catch a few more, but on the whole all its going to do is weed out potheads.
You can randomize it all you want but the facts are random and regular drug tests really only catch potheads.
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True, pot is the easiest to find, but frequent random drug tests will eventually catch anybody that is a regular abuser of the other drugs. Or make them so scared to use them that it gets the desired effect. Like I said, I would weight the testing so they happen more frequently to when the check comes in.
 
KramerDSP said:
Guess who owns the drug testing company? Rick Scott's wife (he signed off control of Solantic to her when he became Gov). All
100,000 state employees are also ordered to be tested at random every 3 months.
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Didn't Scott say that Solantic wouldn't be handling any of the tests?
 
UtahApocalypse said:
what is shameful for me is the asshole blowing $50 a day on drugs, while collecting $250 a month in MY fucking taxes.
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The system is wrought with corruption and immoral, but I do not support this policy. People who are innocent shouldn't be subjected to tests just because someone else might be breaking the law. The cronyism aspect to it is also disgusting.
 
OK, that's a start. If only this was applied to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.

Next let's deny the moochers their voting privileges.
 
sgt150 said:
The system is wrought with corruption and immoral, but I do not support this policy. People who are innocent shouldn't be subjected to tests just because someone else might be breaking the law.
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It isn't a question of "innocence". In a way they are government employees while they are accepting the handouts. They are free to change to an employer that doesn't drug test.
 
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It's also a violation of 4th amendment rights....unreasonable search without probable cause
 
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