Judge Blocks Florida Law Requiring Welfare Applicants to Pass Drug Test

[Yieu]

You seem to think you have the right to be employed by a company.

Nope, I do not believe that. But I do have the right to privacy, and a company does not have the authority to violate that right.

We are all against government tyranny, but corporate tyranny is still tyranny. It does not follow, to be fine with companies violating our rights, yet be strongly against the government violating our rights.

 

[pcosmar]

Don't want to take a drug test before being hired? Got the will to go look for another job for that?

Yes actually.
The drug screenings that are being done are a DIRECT result of the War on Drugs. Which is itself an assault on personal liberty.

Now I have worked for companies that required it. And I have been tested multiple times while looking for work.
but your statement in favor of testing was for welfare, and now you are in favor of testing for employment.

Which is it? Why not just say you are in favor of drug testing for everyone for any reason and stop pretending?

BTW, What I do on my own time is NONE of an employers business.
And the BEST jobs I have had required no drug test.

 

[Yieu]

The drug screenings that are being done are a DIRECT result of the War on Drugs. Which is itself an assault on personal liberty.
...
BTW, What I do on my own time is NONE of an employers business.

Some choice quotes there, +Rep when I get ammo. Why is it not okay for the government to violate our 4th Amendment rights, but okay for a corporation to violate those sacred rights? It is the same thing.

 

[steph3n]

Yes actually.
The drug screenings that are being done are a DIRECT result of the War on Drugs. Which is itself an assault on personal liberty.

Now I have worked for companies that required it. And I have been tested multiple times while looking for work.
but your statement in favor of testing was for welfare, and now you are in favor of testing for employment.

Which is it? Why not just say you are in favor of drug testing for everyone for any reason and stop pretending?

BTW, What I do on my own time is NONE of an employers business.
And the BEST jobs I have had required no drug test.

it is a contractual matter, and myself, being an employer will continue to have a drug free work environment, and I'd like to even take that to prescription drug limits as well, but probably could not legally at this time. Its not a war on drugs continuance, it is how I want me workplace, you don't like it, don't work for me

For that matter I'd really like to not hire smokers either, and fire people that don't take showers often enough, because I can't stand how bad they smell.

 

[KramerDSP]

For the record, I have no problems whatsoever if drug testing is a condition for employment. I also do not have problems if poor work performance results in your employer asking for a drug test. But I have a problem if you are an exceptional employee who gets awards for your service and works well with everybody being randomly drug tested every three months as the state sees fit.

 

[specsaregood]

Some choice quotes there, +Rep when I get ammo. Why is it not okay for the government to violate our 4th Amendment rights, but okay for a corporation to violate those sacred rights? It is the same thing.

It isn't the same thing, as you have a choice. You are CONSENTING. Just like the cops have a right to search if you CONSENT.

 

[steph3n]

Some choice quotes there, +Rep when I get ammo. Why is it not okay for the government to violate our 4th Amendment rights, but okay for a corporation to violate those sacred rights? It is the same thing.

Yes it is perfectly fine from a libertarian standpoint, as it is a personal choice, and a contract between adults. It is consent, and not by force.

it is a bit like consensual sex, and the governments forceful rape


I'd even go so far as to argue that people taking welfare money consent to the drug testing by accepting the money. It is the taxpayers money, and they have a voice on how it is spent.

I am very much against the war on drugs, and even ok with them being fully legal, but I will still run a drug free business, and seek out non drug users 100%

 

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Why is it not okay for the government to violate our 4th Amendment rights, but okay for a corporation to violate those sacred rights? It is the same thing.

The U.S. Constitution is only a constraint on the federal government's power.

 

[Guitarzan]

So, if your employer has a policy that says his/her employees cannot speak of politics while being on the job as he/she feels it is a detriment to production, is he then violating your first amendment right?

 

[nicoleeann]

I dont believe in government welfare at all. But i do know by experience that alot of people who are on welfare do use pot and drink and smoke cigarettes. I work with quite a few people who are on welfare and for the longest time i couldnt figure our why they needed it. No kids, same wage as me. And i dont need welfare. They were spending their money on drugs thats why. smoking pot or cigarettes everyday and going out the bar on the weekends really can add up.

 

[pcosmar]

Yes it is perfectly fine from a libertarian standpoint, as it is a personal choice, and a contract between adults. It is consent, and not by force.

it is a bit like consensual sex, and the governments forceful rape


I'd even go so far as to argue that people taking welfare money consent to the drug testing by accepting the money. It is the taxpayers money, and they have a voice on how it is spent.

I am very much against the war on drugs, and even ok with them being fully legal, but I will still run a drug free business, and seek out non drug users 100%

I would bet, that some of your employees are quite good at fooling the tests.
There are many effective ways to do so.

 

[steph3n]

I would bet, that some of your employees are quite good at fooling the tests.
There are many effective ways to do so.

I can promise you 100% there are none fooling the tests, I am a small business, like the majority, and yea, non fooling it, I am not even taking any tests, I have this thing called trust.

 

[steph3n]

So, if your employer has a policy that says his/her employees cannot speak of politics while being on the job as he/she feels it is a detriment to production, is he then violating your first amendment right?

Nope, private business, private property. Employer rules.

 

[pcosmar]

I would bet, that some of your employees are quite good at fooling the tests.
There are many effective ways to do so.

I have worked in several Body shops. Restoration and custom shops.
The best ones DO NOT test.

If they did quality would decline sharply.


Over 20 years in the business, I have not known any shops that did not have regular "Safety Breaks".

 

[specsaregood]

I have worked in several Body shops. Restoration and custom shops.
The best ones DO NOT test.

If they did quality would decline sharply.

I can agree upon that, unless they only test for a specific set of substances. Personally, I'd rather have a bunch of employees that were potheads rather than alcoholics. I've never worked at a place that tested and turned down job offers from places that did. And I don't use any illegal drugs, not that I wouldn't if I had some.

 

[BuddyRey]

I would only support this law if those who became disqualified from government aid were also exempted from having to pay any federal taxes.

 

[steph3n]

I would only support this law if those who became disqualified from government aid were also exempted from having to pay any federal taxes.

You think they are paying anyway?! HA!

most are probably taking social security check, getting 'refunds' from no payments etc.

 

[Guitarzan]

Nope, private business, private property. Employer rules.

Exactly. Same argument applies with drug testing.

 

[steph3n]

Exactly. Same argument applies with drug testing.

that was exactly my point

if someone doesn't want to be drug tested don't work for an employer that drug tests, but it would also not be wise to see all those that do have drug testing policy as an enemy either.

 

[Guitarzan]

I have worked in several Body shops. Restoration and custom shops.
The best ones DO NOT test.

If they did quality would decline sharply.




Over 20 years in the business, I have not known any shops that did not have regular "Safety Breaks".

You may believe so, and you may be correct. But if you are correct, a smart businessman will recognize this and the testing would eventually stop.