Joe Rogan : "You gotta get scared that people who are not criminals are being set to El Salvador prisons."

[acptulsa]

Birth certificate? Easily forged.

Who carries them? We're not talking about demanding a piece of paper, we're talking about checking state records.

I disagree with Sword on this, I am frustrated that this had not been war gamed already within the Trump admin.

He's never prepared for anything but taking kickbacks and financing Israel.

I'll bet you're having a tougher time figuring out why he's not getting to the bottom of that little incident in Butler, PA. But I'm not even slightly surprised, and if you'll think back a few months, you'll know why.

 

[Invisible Man]

To your mind, what is a legitimate way of proving citizenship?

Keeping in mind that the people in question in this particular case that I just posted about, there is no question that they are NOT citizens.

Nobody should have to prove they're a citizen for anything other than voting or exercising some other function of citizenship that only citizens can do. If you want to deport someone you think isn't a citizen, the burden is on you to prove they aren't one.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Nobody should have to prove they're a citizen for anything other than voting or exercising some other function of citizenship that only citizens can do. If you want to deport someone you think isn't a citizen, the burden is on you to prove they aren't one.

If troops and tanks rolled across the border and laid waste wherever they went, would you lay down your arms and cease to fight and repel them, until each soldier had a trial to determine if they belonged here or not?

 

[acptulsa]

If...

Then it wouldn't be the situation it is.

 

[Invisible Man]

If troops and tanks rolled across the border and laid waste wherever they went, would you lay down your arms and cease to fight and repel them, until each soldier had a trial to determine if they belonged here or not?

No. I would fight against them on the basis of catching them in the act of committing actual crimes, as in the kind where there are victims, not some technicality of what paperwork they had.

 

[Anti Federalist]

No. I would fight against them on the basis of catching them in the act of committing actual crimes, as in the kind where there are victims, not some technicality of what paperwork they had.

"Laying waste" is not a crime?

 

[acptulsa]

No. I would fight against them on the basis of catching them in the act of committing actual crimes, as in the kind where there are victims, not some technicality of what paperwork they had.

Pretty much. Like, do these people think you and I would balk at a cop chasing a violent criminal caught in the act into an apartment where they had no warrant?

Of course probable cause and defense of the innocent are a different level of priority. So what?

In fact, I believe any caught that way and definitely not citizens can just go, and save us the cost of trying and incarcerating them. Now there's a way to save time and money on further due process.

It also removes the incentive of the contractor prisons with the work-release slavery racket to finance the convoys bringing them.

 

[Invisible Man]

"Laying waste" is not a crime?

That's a figure of speech for any number of things that may or may not be a crime. But if someone commits a crime (again, the kind where there's a victim), then they should be punished for that crime. If they are caught in the act, then opposition with force at that moment is justified. If they aren't, then due process to prove they committed the crime they are charged with is morally required.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Then it wouldn't be the situation it is.

Ah, but it is.

This is 5th Gen demographic warfare, a very clever tactic being used with great success.

Bodies instead of bombs and bullets.

And the Constitution allows the suspension of habeus corpus (which is, of course, the very definition of due process) during times of invasion, which this clearly is.

 

[tebowlives]

Stephen Miller nails it

 

[acptulsa]

Ah, but it is.

Ah, but it's not. It's just old fashioned warfare that you described. That's a different kind of attack. It doesn't destroy by demolition, it destroys by subversion, so principles become more important. Not less.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Ah, but it's not. It's just old fashioned warfare that you described. That's a different kind of attack. It doesn't destroy by demolition, it destroys by subversion, so principles become more important. Not less.

And when those principles become weaponized to be used against you?

 

[Anti Federalist]

That's a figure of speech for any number of things that may or may not be a crime. But if someone commits a crime (again, the kind where there's a victim), then they should be punished for that crime. If they are caught in the act, then opposition with force at that moment is justified. If they aren't, then due process to prove they committed the crime they are charged with is morally required.

If somebody were to break into your home, without your knowledge or consent, not damage or destroy anything, and even more, leave a $100 bill on the table, would that still be a crime?

 

[Invisible Man]

If somebody were to break into your home, without your knowledge or consent, not damage or destroy anything, and even more, leave a $100 bill on the table, would that still be a crime?

Yes.

 

[acptulsa]

And when those principles become weaponized to be used against you?

And just how is that done?

Through the perversion of them, that's how.

Our problem is that the only sure way to keep the Titanic off the iceberg is for all of us, or at least the vast majority of us, to stop being hypocrites. Our good principles couldn't possibly be used against us if we stood firm upon them.

 

[TheTexan]

To your mind, what is a legitimate way of proving citizenship?

Keeping in mind that the people in question in this particular case that I just posted about, there is no question that they are NOT citizens.

There is rarely any question. They call these people "undocumented" but that's not really true. There is almost always a huge paper trail with entry documents, interviews, known addresses, criminal history, etc.

It's not like they're driving buses around picking up and deporting random brown people. Although they should

 

[Anti Federalist]

There is rarely any question. They call these people "undocumented" but that's not really true. There is almost always a huge paper trail with entry documents, interviews, known addresses, criminal history, etc.

It's not like they're driving buses around picking up and deporting random brown people. Although they should

Exact-a-mundo

 

[Anti Federalist]

Yes.

How was that a crime?

Who was the victim?

No one was killed or hurt, no property was damaged or lost.

 

[Invisible Man]

There is rarely any question. They call these people "undocumented" but that's not really true. There is almost always a huge paper trail with entry documents, interviews, known addresses, criminal history, etc.

It's not like they're driving buses around picking up and deporting random brown people. Although they should

Probably true. But I don't support the kind of government that creates those paper trails in the first place.

 

[Anti Federalist]

And just how is that done?

Through the perversion of them, that's how.

Our problem is that the only sure way to keep the Titanic off the iceberg is for all of us, or at least the vast majority of us, to stop being hypocrites. Our good principles couldn't possibly be used against us if we stood firm upon them.

Our principles are supposed to be enshrined in the Constitution.

The Constitution makes a provision for saving itself and the Republic in the event of an invasion.

I would put it to you that by refusing to realize that those principles can and should be protected at all costs, and that there is a legal and Constitutional method in which to do so, that by so refusing and therefore committing to their destruction, is the greatest perversion of principles that there can possibly be.