Joe Rogan : "You gotta get scared that people who are not criminals are being set to El Salvador prisons."

[acptulsa]

Democrats believe each alien should get a lengthy federal trial before being sent back.

And their attempt to make that happen is being made possible by obviously unreasonable people arguing on the web that they shouldn't even get enough due process to confirm they aren't a citizen, something that in this age could easily take ten minutes.

 

[Swordsmyth]

And their attempt to make that happen is being made possible by obviously unreasonable people arguing on the web that they shouldn't even get enough due process to confirm they aren't a citizen, something that in this age could easily take ten minutes.

That's nonsense, they already get that, and you know it.

 

[acptulsa]

That's nonsense, they already get that, and you know it.

What you don't know, what you don't get, is that's due process.

There's this whole psyop in a nutshell. LWMSM and RWMSM lead partisans to believe the opposite partisans are unreasonable, unthinking, spiteful rabid dogs, usually by just slightly changing the definition of a word or phrase like "due process". Then they sit back and laugh while the most unreasonable, unthinking, spiteful rabid dogs from each side go on line and "prove them right", because most of you are horrible attention whores.

 

[nikcers]

What you don't know, what you don't get, is that's due process.

There's this whole psyop in a nutshell. LWMSM and RWMSM lead partisans to believe the opposite partisans are unreasonable, unthinking, spiteful rabid dogs, usually by just slightly changing the definition of a word or phrase like "due process". Then they sit back and laugh while the most unreasonable, unthinking, spiteful rabid dogs from each side go on line and "prove them right", because most of you are horrible attention whores.

Due process for foreign nationals specifically alien enemies was never the spirit of the law in the bill of rights.

Benjamin Franklin one of the founding fathers of the United States kicked his own son out of the country.

 

[acptulsa]

Due process for foreign nationals

Knickerbot, why do you quote my post if you have no intention of addressing one damned thing I said in it? You don't need to quote me in order to ignore me and repeat your tripe over and over and over and over and again.

 

[Invisible Man]

Due process for foreign nationals specifically alien enemies was never the spirit of the law in the bill of rights.

Benjamin Franklin one of the founding fathers of the United States kicked his own son out of the country.

Due process is right because justice demands it, not because the Bill of Rights demands it. Due process would always be right in all times and places. The Bill of Rights is superfluous. And if it were true that the founding fathers thought that the regime could declare an innocent person to be an alien enemy, and on the basis of that declaration then go on to punish them for crimes they didn't commit, and this would not violate the Creator's Law, then that would just mean the founding fathers were wrong.

 

[nikcers]

Knickerbot, why do you quote my post if you have no intention of addressing one damned thing I said in it? You don't need to quote me in order to ignore me and repeat your tripe over and over and over and over and again.

The spirit of the law is always an important distinction.

We all remember the famous argument that supreme court made using the letter of the law- that denied people human rights and declared that they are property. The famous dred Scott.

That's absolutely what we are attempting not to do again.

The legal distinction of how the federal government designates an enemy of the state was also already decided by the prize case and further by legislation the congress passed giving the president more than implied authority but orders.

Since the President's constitutional authority doesn't just give them specific powers, it attempts to constrain the president's powers on things that he cannot do. The spirit of the law matters in this case.

Is it the president's job to repel attacks against the United States?

 

[nikcers]

Due process is right because justice demands it, not because the Bill of Rights demands it. Due process would always be right in all times and places. The Bill of Rights is superfluous. And if it were true that the founding fathers thought that the regime could declare an innocent person to be an alien enemy, and on the basis of that declaration then go on to punish them for crimes they didn't commit, and this would not violate the Creator's Law, then that would just mean the founding fathers were wrong.

Gaslighting is the arguments the left uses to say that it's not an attack on the United States.

I have lost family and friends from this attack.

This isn't like a game where they are putting their hands close to my face and saying I'm not touching you.

They are punching me in the face and saying I'm not touching you.

This is an attack against the United States.

 

[acptulsa]

Due process is right because justice demands it, not because the Bill of Rights demands it.

It's not programmed to respond to input, man. It's just there to rephrase its own tripe until the thread is dead because nobody can find the useful part of it between its spam.

 

[nikcers]

It's not programmed to respond to input, man. It's just there to rephrase its own tripe until the thread is dead because nobody can find the useful part of it between its spam.

Due process doesn't apply to enemies in the battlefields does it?

 

[Invisible Man]

Due process doesn't apply to enemies in the battlefields does it?

Are you asking a question of is or ought?

Due process is right on the battlefield just as it is everywhere else. The battlefield is not a loophole where it becomes just to do what is not just.

Do the demands of justice tend to get followed in battlefields? No, of course not. Every soldier on the battlefield is the victim of injustices committed against them by the regimes that rule over them and sent them out to be cannon fodder. But that doesn't make it ok.

 

[nikcers]

Are you asking a question of is or ought?

Due process is right on the battlefield just as it is everywhere else. The battlefield is not a loophole where it becomes just to do what is not just.

Do the demands of justice tend to get followed in battlefields? No, of course not. Every soldier on the battlefield is the victim of injustices committed against them by the regimes that rule over them and sent them out to be cannon fodder. But that doesn't make it ok.

Maybe before 9/11.

Quick question.

You're president and you know that a plane is headed to crash into a building and kill thousands of people.

You know that you can shoot it down and save many lives.

What do you think your job is to do? Repel the attack and prevent the attack or let the plane hit and give everyone due process?

I'll give you a second one, if you are willing.

Do you think this legal authority goes to anyone else?

 

[acptulsa]

You're president and you know that a plane is headed to crash into a building and kill thousands of people.

You know that you can shoot it down and save many lives.

What do you think your job is to do?

Start two wars and sign the PATRIOT Act.

 

[Invisible Man]

Maybe before 9/11.

Quick question.

You're president and you know that a plane is headed to crash into a building and kill thousands of people.

You know that you can shoot it down and save many lives.

What do you think your job is to do? Repel the attack and prevent the attack or let the plane hit and give everyone due process?

I'll give you a second one, if you are willing.

Do you think this legal authority goes to anyone else?

Yes, I would shoot that plane down. I see no violation of due process in this scenario, if it is as you describe. Due process applies to punishing crimes, where there is some question about whether one was committed and by whom, not to intervening to stop a crime that you see in the process of being committed.

And yes, the legal authority to do this belongs to everyone else in the world as much as it does to me as the president. Justice does not include a double-standard that makes it licit for the POTUS to do what is illicit for everyone else.

 

[nikcers]

Yes, I would shoot that plane down. I see no violation of due process in this scenario, if it is as you describe. Due process applies to punishing crimes, where there is some question about whether one was committed and by whom, not to intervening to stop a crime that you see in the process of being committed.

And yes, the legal authority to do this belongs to everyone else in the world as much as it does to me as the president. Justice does not include a double-standard that makes it licit for the POTUS to do what is illicit for everyone else.

Well that's the same implied authority the spirit of the law gives the Commander in Chief.

He has designated these foreign nationals as alien enemies and is repelling their attacks before they happen like you said you would do- if you were president.

His authority was created before the idea of a plane or anything not yet invented.

The law isn't supposed to tie the hands of our chief law enforcer so that they can't defend the life and liberty of the American people because he is also commander in chief.

 

[nikcers]

Start two wars and sign the PATRIOT Act.

Offense is the best defense- as George Washington said.

 

[acptulsa]

Well that's the same implied authority the spirit of the law gives the Commander in Chief.

Your programmer needs to be fired.

You have ten minutes and then a thousand people die!!

Nobody's going to die in ten minutes!!

And the bot says, no difference in principle at all. Could only be said by a device that has never felt adrenaline, and places no particular value on human life.

 

[Invisible Man]

He has designated these foreign nationals as alien enemies and is repelling their attacks before they happen like you said you would do- if you were president.

Designating someone as an alien enemy is not what you stipulated in the question you asked me.

Acptulsa is right. You just make up things when you reply to posts that have nothing to do with what was in the post you're replying to.

 

[nikcers]

Designating someone as an alien enemy is not what you stipulated in the question you asked me.

Acptulsa is right. You just make up things when you reply to posts that have nothing to do with what was in the post you're replying to.

I asked you in principle a question intended to ask you if it's a presidential power.

Then I replied that I agree it is a presidential power and I argued why it's a privilege of the citizens of United States to have representation and a national defense.

As the declaration of independence says people form nations to have a national defense.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Due process is right because justice demands it, not because the Bill of Rights demands it. Due process would always be right in all times and places. The Bill of Rights is superfluous. And if it were true that the founding fathers thought that the regime could declare an innocent person to be an alien enemy, and on the basis of that declaration then go on to punish them for crimes they didn't commit, and this would not violate the Creator's Law, then that would just mean the founding fathers were wrong.

Justice demands that foreign invaders and enemies be removed, that's all it demands.