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The internal inconsistency of statism.
JH: "Is all legitimate government power derived from the people?"
Bs: "Yep."
JH: "Did the individual citizens ever have the right to initiate physical force against other citizens that had not initiated or threatened to initiate physical force?"
(Bernie proceeds to attempt to dodge the question for about the next 3 minutes with a bunch of irrelevant rambling and moaning without ever having answered the question, despite claiming to have answered it 5 times amidst his ranting. Finally, thanks to Jan's unshakable persistence, he finally addresses the question.)
JH: "Did the individual citizens ever have the right to initiate physical force against other individual citizens?"
BS: "I would expect that would be against the law. People do not have the right to go around beating up innocent people."
JH: "That would be wrong, right?"
BS: "That would be wrong."
JH: "Okay, so, if they never had that right, could they have delegated it to the government?"
(Bernie pauses for a brief moment, looking a little confused. It hasn't quite registered for him yet.)
BS: "I guess they have. They have delegated the right of governments to make war, they have delegated the right of governments to build roads, they have delegated all types of rights to people. And in any civilized society, as you know, we have laws, we have judges, we have courts, we have appeal process, and when people break the law, they are punished."
JH: "Can you delegate a right that you don't have?"
(At this point Bernie realizes he done fucked up, and his cognitive dissonance becomes very evident.)
BS: "I believe the American people have the right in a representative democracy to delegate power to their elected officials to do best for cities, states, and the federal government. So, I guess the answer is yes."
As Jan begins to challenge the contradiction, Bernie proceeds to end the interview.
JH: "Is all legitimate government power derived from the people?"
Bs: "Yep."
JH: "Did the individual citizens ever have the right to initiate physical force against other citizens that had not initiated or threatened to initiate physical force?"
(Bernie proceeds to attempt to dodge the question for about the next 3 minutes with a bunch of irrelevant rambling and moaning without ever having answered the question, despite claiming to have answered it 5 times amidst his ranting. Finally, thanks to Jan's unshakable persistence, he finally addresses the question.)
JH: "Did the individual citizens ever have the right to initiate physical force against other individual citizens?"
BS: "I would expect that would be against the law. People do not have the right to go around beating up innocent people."
JH: "That would be wrong, right?"
BS: "That would be wrong."
JH: "Okay, so, if they never had that right, could they have delegated it to the government?"
(Bernie pauses for a brief moment, looking a little confused. It hasn't quite registered for him yet.)
BS: "I guess they have. They have delegated the right of governments to make war, they have delegated the right of governments to build roads, they have delegated all types of rights to people. And in any civilized society, as you know, we have laws, we have judges, we have courts, we have appeal process, and when people break the law, they are punished."
JH: "Can you delegate a right that you don't have?"
(At this point Bernie realizes he done fucked up, and his cognitive dissonance becomes very evident.)
BS: "I believe the American people have the right in a representative democracy to delegate power to their elected officials to do best for cities, states, and the federal government. So, I guess the answer is yes."
As Jan begins to challenge the contradiction, Bernie proceeds to end the interview.
