Jake Tapper nails Trump on "Mexican" judge comments in utterly mad interview

[twomp]

Well first of all, I think most the debunkers here are not his supporters. Do you remember Ron Paul was unjustly attacked in the MSM? Less taxation and more money in my pocket and I can pay for work I would rather not do, more.

Why should we give up now? Because you don't not like a particular politician?


As far as doing the dirty work jobs that nobody wants to do. I think we could find many people, teenagers especially to do those jobs without importing illegal immigrants.

I'll do them if I need the money. Eliminate EBT cards and welfare programs and we will all be better off.

More legal citizens are on EBT programs than illegals but you obviously can't seem to grasp that. You can eliminate all the EBT and welfare programs, build a wall into space and they will still be here because the low paying jobs here is more money than the low paying jobs in their $hitty country. No teenagers won't do those jobs because they aren't doing it now. Thinking for Trump supporters is hard I know. Go get a job scrubbing toilets to keep the illegals out like you say you will. Make America great again and stop depending on the government to solve your illegal immigrant problems.

 

[silverhandorder]

Wow! That was...some special work there. I would like my time back. He's illogical. He spends 15 minutes in set up and then contradicts himself. His parody of others is stupid and distracting. The last summation after repeating how Hispanics aren't a race compares them to other races (check out the pretty little graphs ) and then rants about how not wanting them here isn't being racist, because Hispanics are white. If they were called mestizos, then there might be an argument.

Mestizo:a person of mixed racial or ethnic ancestry, especially, in Latin America, of mixed American Indian and European descent or, in the Philippines, of mixed native and foreign descent.

Uh, someone buy him a dictionary.

He also never accounts for October 2014 complaints. And did someone force Trump to run? It is awfully convenient how all the excuses stem from a post date of Trump's campaign platform.

Oh I see so you think he is right about the first 30 minutes where he shows how unfair the judge is?

edit: I will write more on this when I come back.

He compares group not a race. Use logic.

 

[moostraks]

Oh I see so you think he is right about the first 30 minutes where he shows how unfair the judge is?

No, I think he didn't do more than shallow digging of the arguments and contradicts himself @18 minutes in where he does his first work up of Hispanics aren't a race, but then talks about if Trump U targeted empowering white people...and then laments in group preference of white vs non white people. It is a preface to the fail at the end of the video, and is illogical. If he wanted to compare the apples to apples then he would argue how offended would people be if the judge was the member of a Bar association that is Irish.

 

[Ender]

No, I think he didn't do more than shallow digging of the arguments and contradicts himself @18 minutes in where he does his first work up of Hispanics aren't a race, but then talks about if Trump U targeted empowering white people...and then laments in group preference of white vs non white people. It is a preface to the fail at the end of the video, and is illogical. If he wanted to compare the apples to apples then he would argue how offended would people be if the judge was the member of a Bar association that is Irish.

The Irish have great bars!

 

[moostraks]

The Irish have great bars!

ha! I should have caught that. I was running with the fact that Moloneux is part Irish iirc.(so am I fwiw)

 

[Ender]

ha! I should have caught that. I was running with the fact that Moloneux is part Irish iirc.(so am I fwiw)

Me too.

Irish, Scot, French, Cherokee, Lumbee, Black. Mostly Scot/Cherokee but a mix with something to offend everyone.

 

[moostraks]

Me too.

Irish, Scot, French, Cherokee, Lumbee, Black. Mostly Scot/Cherokee but a mix with something to offend everyone.

Somewhere then, we are probably related. Your family tree reads like mine. Dad's side is on the plaque in Jamestown. He was one of the gentlemen who figured out he had to get off his fanny and work to eat.

 

[dannno]

No, I think he didn't do more than shallow digging of the arguments and contradicts himself @18 minutes in where he does his first work up of Hispanics aren't a race, but then talks about if Trump U targeted empowering white people...and then laments in group preference of white vs non white people. It is a preface to the fail at the end of the video, and is illogical. If he wanted to compare the apples to apples then he would argue how offended would people be if the judge was the member of a Bar association that is Irish.

So using your logic, if someone talks about a group of people, an ethnicity or a culture - then they are automatically referring to them as a race?

That is the whole basis if your contradiction - you are saying that he said Mexicans aren't a race, but then compared Mexicans to whites and so he must think Mexicans are a race because of that?

Do you see why you are a difficult person to argue with? You don't just move the goalposts, you manifest them in the oddest of places.. like on the freeway.

 

[dannno]

ha! I should have caught that. I was running with the fact that Moloneux is part Irish iirc.(so am I fwiw)

He was born in England, raised in Canada and has some Celtic ancestry.

 

[juleswin]

ha! I should have caught that. I was running with the fact that Moloneux is part Irish iirc.(so am I fwiw)

Disclaimer: Just going to say that I am not anti semetic in any way shape or form. I tried to find a less anti semetic channel that exposes the lies of this man but this is all I can find.

Anyway, nobody really knows what he is, he is German, Jewish, Irish, Scottish or non Jewish depending on who the audience is. When he had a more libertarian audience, he was OK claiming his Jewish ancestry but now that he has the alt right, white nationalist crowd, he denies the lineage.



I post these things to try and shake the conscience of the white nationalists in his audience and not because I personally have a problem with him having a Jewish mother. Also, you listen to the man he supports for POTUS who says this

"The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.”

Donald Trump
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...at-for-the-blacks_us_56e0729fe4b065e2e3d47e82

Makes you wonder why things are the way they are.

 

[moostraks]

So using your logic, if someone talks about a group of people, an ethnicity or a culture - then they are automatically referring to them as a race?

That is the whole basis if your contradiction - you are saying that he said Mexicans aren't a race, but then compared Mexicans to whites and so he must think Mexicans are a race because of that?

Do you see why you are a difficult person to argue with? You don't just move the goalposts, you manifest them in the oddest of places.. like on the freeway.

I'm not moving goal posts. I said his argument is irrational. Mol said Hispanics are white, mestizos are a race, and then went on to compare Hispanics (not a race in Mols opinion) to races. And he is ignorant. Look at the dictionary definition for mestizo. And all Hispanics aren't white. He is either completely ignorant or deceitful.

I said his argument shouldn't be to compare whites to Hispanics but say, Irish, Scottish, etc. But, you see, then Mols argument isn't effective because Mol is using white identity to play on the anger of the white guy who cannot join a white Bar association. Both Mol and Trump are using subtle dialogue and mixing their arguments. This is where the racism comes in, because it pits a race against an ethnicity and demands oranges comply with rules for being apples.

If I , me, myself, my own opinion am considering the issue of racism it is relevant how that party claiming offense internalizes their identity. It is like religious arguments between those who are Jewish and those who are not. It isn't just an issue of religious affiliation. Thus you can see the relevance of the Pew research article I posted last night.

 

[dannno]

I'm not moving goal posts. I said his argument is irrational. Mol said Hispanics are white, mestizos are a race, and then went on to compare Hispanics (not a race in Mols opinion) to races. And he is ignorant. Look at the dictionary definition for mestizo. And all Hispanics aren't white. He is either completely ignorant or deceitful.

Did you read my post?

He is comparing a large group of people, who are not a race, to a race. Is that not allowed? What is the problem? Can you explain why that is irrational instead of just saying it is irrational and listing different groups he could also compare them to?

 

[moostraks]

Disclaimer: Just going to say that I am not anti semetic in any way shape or form. I tried to find a less anti semetic channel that exposes the lies of this man but this is all I can find.

Anyway, nobody really knows what he is, he is German, Jewish, Irish, Scottish or non Jewish depending on who the audience is. When he had a more libertarian audience, he was OK claiming his Jewish ancestry but now that he has the alt right, white nationalist crowd, he denies the lineage.



I post these things to try and shake the conscience of the white nationalists in his audience and not because I personally have a problem with him having a Jewish mother. Also, you listen to the man he supports for POTUS who says this



Donald Trump
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...at-for-the-blacks_us_56e0729fe4b065e2e3d47e82

Makes you wonder why things are the way they are.

After having run into Antischisms post on him in other thread I was briefly down the rabbit hole on his resume. So smarmy is just the tip of the iceberg. The defoo thing, wow, just wow.

 

[moostraks]

Did you read my post?

He is comparing a large group of people, who are not a race, to a race. Is that not allowed? What is the problem? Can you explain why that is irrational instead of just saying it is irrational and listing different groups he could also compare them to?

I explained why it isn't rational. I am sorry you don't agree with my explanation being sufficient. He wants to complain about the judge having Hispanic Bar associations. He says Hispanics aren't a race, but then complains that whites (a race) cannot focus on empowering whites. The logic boils down to the judge is bad because he supports his ethnic peers, but people cannot support their race based peers.

It is illogical.

 

[dannno]

After having run into Antischisms post on him in other thread I was briefly down the rabbit hole on his resume. So smarmy is just the tip of the iceberg. The defoo thing, wow, just wow.

There are a lot of really bad attack pieces out there on him, but I recommend you listen to his material and judge for yourself instead of listening to the bullshit. If somebody is damaging and abusing you, and you've confronted them about it and have tried to get them to stop and all you get back is more abusive behavior, why is it a good thing to keep them in your life?

His stuff on peaceful parenting is great - I don't have a huge problem with parents who occasionally spank in a reasonable way, maybe Molyneux is right and it is ultimately damaging no matter how you go about it - but his strategies for raising children are great.

He has helped a lot of people overcome a lot of difficult life problems.

His videos on single moms are great too - he's had a lot of single mom callers and guys who are dating single moms call in to discuss.

 

[dannno]

I explained why it isn't rational. I am sorry you don't agree with my explanation being sufficient. He wants to complain about the judge having Hispanic Bar associations. He says Hispanics aren't a race, but then complains that whites (a race) cannot focus on empowering whites. The logic boils down to the judge is bad because he supports his ethnic peers, but people cannot support their race based peers.

It is illogical.

How is it illogical to compare two very large distinct groups to each other? I don't care what the groups labels are or why they are a group - if they both very large groups why can't you compare them in various ways? I mean, he's saying "This group votes predominantly this way" and "that group votes predominantly this way". There are millions of people in both groups. What is wrong with that? You haven't been able to explain that at all.

If people can form a group based on their ethnicity or culture, why not their race? Does he need to start talking about the NAACP? That is a race based group, you also might note that it is not much different from Hispanic support groups even though one is a race and one is an ethnicity.

It seems to me the type of people who don't like Stef put up these mythological boundaries in their brain and try and craft arguments based on imaginary barriers just so they can win the argument. If you are prone to this type of arguing, I can see how you might not like Stef.

 

[moostraks]

Did you read my post?

He is comparing a large group of people, who are not a race, to a race. Is that not allowed? What is the problem? Can you explain why that is irrational instead of just saying it is irrational and listing different groups he could also compare them to?

The Chicago Irish American Bar Association was formed in March, 2012. The association aims to connect legal practitioners who share an Irish heritage or affinity, and bring together a vibrant Irish- American community in the legal profession here in Chicago. In doing so, the Association hopes to sponsor, foster, encourage and otherwise provide for increased appreciation and awareness of Irish and Irish-American history and culture among the members of the Association and the people of Chicago.

http://chicagoirishamericanbar.com

For example, thus invalidating his white folks cannot empower themselves. The Irish association is akin to the Hispanic association.

The problem is that by arguing to claim one is not a race and bemoan those of a certain race cannot do that and then cry bias because people from said ethnicity can, one has outed their prejudice and admitted their own bias. Molyneux's analogy would have looked completely stupid if he would have compared apples to apples because ethnic based white organizations exist (irony being the Hispanics ones include white Hispanics this is taking it the extra mile because people think white --> Irishmen, but guess what, they come in different shades too )

 

[dannno]

http://chicagoirishamericanbar.com

For example, thus invalidating his white folks cannot empower themselves. The Irish association is akin to the Hispanic association.

Ok, so what if you are part British, part German, part Swedish and most of your ancestors came over hundreds of years ago? What support group do you join?

Still not sure how this invalidates him being able to compare groups to each other. You seem to be nitpicking down to the point where you don't really even have a point.

 

[moostraks]

How is it illogical to compare two very large distinct groups to each other? I don't care what the groups labels are or why they are a group - if they both very large groups why can't you compare them in various ways? I mean, he's saying "This group votes predominantly this way" and "that group votes predominantly this way". There are millions of people in both groups. What is wrong with that? You haven't been able to explain that at all.

It seems to me the type of people who don't like Stef put up these mythological boundaries in their brain and try and craft arguments based on imaginary barriers just so they can win the argument. If you are prone to this type of arguing, I can see how you might not like Stef.

You just have a high bs tolerance. Mol makes it a race issue by pitting ethnicity against race and making race superior by data. So, using his chart, how many white Hispanics were in the white chart? He was the one that claimed Hispanics are white and that to argue race you would use mestizo. Sorry that you cannot see how twisted that is, but it takes some gymnastics to mess up the argument as bad as he does. And yet, he has folks like you thinking he's brilliant. Go figure. At least give him a clue what the hell a mestizo is because he looks full blown stupid to those who do know.

 

[moostraks]

Ok, so what if you are part British, part German, part Swedish and your ancestors came over hundreds of years ago? What support group do you join?

Pick one. Join the crowd of those of us who are mutts. I used to envy those who could be so confident in their ethnic identity. Now, I'm proud of my ancestors being so well traveled and apparently persuasive lovers with open minds.