I've heard you don't have to get a SSN for your kid when they are born...?

[mrsat_98]

Look, its a huge pain in the ass if you don't have one.

I am not having any problems

no doubt

Maybe the question should be, why do I need a SS number?

So that GovCo can identify you as an individual affected by taxes, public benifits, drivers license laws and motor vehicle registration laws. see 42 USC 405(c)(2)(C)(i).

In NH, if you'd liked to drive a car under the UCC you'll need a license. The primary documents required to get a license all require (afaik) a SS number to obtain, which means you need a SS number somewhere along the line to get a UCC approved NH driver's license. Source: http://www.nh.gov/safety/divisions/dmv/driverlic/documents/required_doc.pdf



Of course I'm with the school of thought that as long as you don't sign a contract with the state that your Constitutional right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness isn't revoked once you close the car door. Take the Carl Miller and Michael Badnarik youtube courses.

What else? Bank accounts; there are arguments you may use to acquire an account. Here's one reference, but there are many others: http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Victories/bank_ssn.htm

Danke mentions government jobs, but what about private companies?

If they require a SSN they are government jobs or at very least the entity you would work for is brainwashed into thinking it is a government job.

Unfortunately, if you want a private market job or any job at all, you will need one. It does not make logical or moral sense, but unfortunately most if not nearly all jobs will not hire without one.

I am not having any issues about no SSN.


ssnumber in English Gematria Equals: 666 ( s114 s114 n84 u126 m78 b12 e30 r108 )

 

[Enforcer]

If illegal aliens can get benefits without a verifiable SSN, surely we shouldn't have to!

First off, undocumented foreigners are not illegal aliens. That is clearly a racist term. Secondly, it was made illegal for undocumented foreigners to get entitlements way back in 1996 and under the REAL ID Act, the agencies dispensing aid are required, by law, to verify all Socialist Surveillance Numbers... ooops, "Social Security Numbers."

 

[Enforcer]

You do not need a Socialist Surveillance Number...ooops, "Social Security Number." Yeah, without it, you cannot get credit, get government benefits and many companies will not hire you.

It is certainly more convenient, but Benjamin Franklin best addressed this when he said: "He would give up essential Liberty for the promise of temporary Safety, deserves neither Liberty nor Safety."

The Socialist Surveillance Number is now your de facto National ID number. It is a tool of tyranny AND it is the most common method identity thieves steal your ID and prying eyes get all your personal information. Your medical records, dental records, financial transactions, educational records, criminal records, etc., etc. are all tied to one universal number. Give it up to someone and they can exploit it to get all kinds of information on you.

There will always be the majority that will go along to get along, but even if they don't have the cahones to distance themselves from Hitler's tattoo idea on steroids, you would think they would be supportive of those who have given up the SSN.

On my mother's ssn, it plainly states "NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION" right across the face. Before Socialist Security became law, those who opposed it were concerned that we would get to this very point in history. The original intent was to NEVER use the Socialist Security Number for ID.

This is an issue where the conservatives blame the Democrats, but Socialist Security came about with significant Republican support. The Socialist Security Act passed the House of Representatives 372 to 33 and in the Senate by a vote of 77 to 6. Furthermore, every time the Republicans have had an opportunity to get rid of Socialist Security, they haven't.

If you keep your SSN after researching this, at the very least have the common sense to NEVER, EVER give it out to private entities for ID. And while it is easier to go along to get along, one only need to follow the history of events with this kind of ID and think about Hitler's war against the Jews. The same arguments and the same rhetoric are being used by socialists to get you to keep and use your SSN. I urge you to join the fight against it.

 

[CJLauderdale4]

Like it says on the family guardian site, you can refuse to complete the forms at the hospital. I've done this ... the nurses keep urging... but they really don't care.

If you want to claim your child on health insurance and tax returns... you can get the child a tax id number. However just like h1 workers..the child will pay social security taxes when older just not be eligible for the benefits.

 

[KCIndy]

....the child will pay social security taxes when older just not be eligible for the benefits.

Not a problem. The entire system will be belly up by then.

 

[specsaregood]

First off, undocumented foreigners are not illegal aliens. That is clearly a racist term.

Not so clear, what race is an "illegal alien"? Is it one of those short skinny grey guys? Let me know, I'd sure like to know I'm insulting the right race of people everytime I say "illegal alien".

 

[Danke]

Not so clear, what race is an "illegal alien"? Is it one of those short skinny grey guys? Let me know, I'd sure like to know I'm insulting the right race of people everytime I say "illegal alien".

I think illegal aliens are the ones that come from outside our galaxy without permission.

 

[Danke]

Not a problem. The entire system will be belly up by then.

You are supposed to be sleeping in.

 

[LibForestPaul]

First off, undocumented foreigners are not illegal aliens. That is clearly a racist term. Secondly, it was made illegal for undocumented foreigners to get entitlements way back in 1996 and under the REAL ID Act, the agencies dispensing aid are required, by law, to verify all Socialist Surveillance Numbers... ooops, "Social Security Numbers."

BULL! I have paper work from county agencies with programs that dole out money that specifically state documentation not required, try again.

 

[Keith and stuff]

In NH, if you'd liked to drive a car under the UCC you'll need a license. The primary documents required to get a license all require (afaik) a SS number to obtain, which means you need a SS number somewhere along the line to get a UCC approved NH driver's license. Source: http://www.nh.gov/safety/divisions/dmv/driverlic/documents/required_doc.pdf

That is mostly correct but you technically don't need a license to drive a car in NH. NH doesn't have a learner's permit system. So when a person is learning to drive, he don't have a learner's permit or a license. However, he must travel "with a licensed adult 25 years or older in the front passenger seat."
http://www.dmv.org/nh-new-hampshire/teen-drivers.php

 

[osan]

Look, its a huge pain in the ass if you don't have one.

Now there's an attitude rooted in a love of liberty.

Why not join CPUSA and dispense with the pretenses? Or the Democrats.

 

[Enforcer]

BULL! I have paper work from county agencies with programs that dole out money that specifically state documentation not required, try again.

Presuming that is so, you are talking about COUNTY agencies. IF those agencies are federal means tested, undocumented immigrants are not entitled to the money. Having read most of the studies, no national consensus can be arrived at with respect to what individual counties do; however, it is not a NATIONAL issue (which is what this board addresses.) Here are some facts you should look into:

"In a report last year, the Congressional Research Service outlined the benefits that are available to immigrants. It states quite plainly: “Unauthorized aliens (often referred to as illegal aliens) are not eligible for most federal benefits, regardless of whether they are means tested, with notable exceptions for emergency services.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...d-illegal-immigrants/2011/09/14/gIQAf5m6RK_bl

Also see the following:

http://reason.org/news/show/122411.html


http://www.factcheck.org/2009/04/cost-of-illegal-immigrants/

 

[Enforcer]

Now there's an attitude rooted in a love of liberty.

Why not join CPUSA and dispense with the pretenses? Or the Democrats.

Great post. Thank you.

 

[acptulsa]

I didn't get one until I got my first job. Got by fifteen years without one, and came out just fine thank you.

They didn't pass any federal laws to the contrary since then, either. I'd have noticed.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

First off, undocumented foreigners are not illegal aliens. That is clearly a racist term. Secondly, it was made illegal for undocumented foreigners to get entitlements way back in 1996 and under the REAL ID Act, the agencies dispensing aid are required, by law, to verify all Socialist Surveillance Numbers... ooops, "Social Security Numbers."

uhhhh, no. The term has been around for many, many decades. It's the term "undocumented foreigner"/"undocumented alien" that have only been coined in recent years.

[h=2]illegal alien[/h] 

noun 1.a foreigner who has entered or resides in a country unlawfully or without the country's authorization.

 

[acptulsa]

That is clearly a racist term.

Excuse me? How could that possibly be racist when clearly that could be a person of any race whatsoever?

 

[ghengis86]

They tried to sign my son up automatically at the hospital. We refused to check the box on some form they had us fill out. A few days later, got a letter in the mail that they signed him up anyway. I called and told them to check the form; sure enough, she says, the box us not checked. They canceled the request and my son does but have a SSN.

Can't claim a child exemption on taxes without an SSN (I tried and even sent a copy if the birth cert: denied). Father in law couldn't open a cleve savings plan in my sons name so we just made it a custodial account. Other than that, no problems. When my son is old enough to make his own descions, he can choose to get one if he wants. In all likelihood, he probably will. But I'll let him decide.

 

[Aden]

They tried to sign my son up automatically at the hospital. We refused to check the box on some form they had us fill out. A few days later, got a letter in the mail that they signed him up anyway. I called and told them to check the form; sure enough, she says, the box us not checked. They canceled the request and my son does but have a SSN.

Can't claim a child exemption on taxes without an SSN (I tried and even sent a copy if the birth cert: denied). Father in law couldn't open a cleve savings plan in my sons name so we just made it a custodial account. Other than that, no problems. When my son is old enough to make his own descions, he can choose to get one if he wants. In all likelihood, he probably will. But I'll let him decide.

We had our kid at home. Midwife mailed form into state for the birth certificate, and the idiots at state got us a SSN from the feds even though we put no on the form. I was pissed off when we got the card in the mail when he was three-weeks-old. I researched online and found out that if you never use the SSN, and the hospital (or in my case the state) signs you up, you can fill out paperwork to take to social security to get rid of the number. However, the number is not truly deleted and it is impossible to sever your kid from the number. Trust me, I searched diligently, spent hours at the social security office, and went round and round with them on the phone.

What we ended up doing, since they probably laughed off and threw away our forms asking to get rid of the number, is just shredded the card and threw it in the trash. I have no idea what it is and we do not plan to use it. We are going to homeschool and do not claim him on taxes, even know we ate $3 grand in returns last year. Whatever. I'm just trying to make it as easy as possible for him to be off the radar in case that is what he wants when he is older.

 

[Danke]

We had our kid at home. Midwife mailed form into state for the birth certificate, and the idiots at state got us a SSN from the feds even though we put no on the form. I was pissed off when we got the card in the mail when he was three-weeks-old. I researched online and found out that if you never use the SSN, and the hospital (or in my case the state) signs you up, you can fill out paperwork to take to social security to get rid of the number. However, the number is not truly deleted and it is impossible to sever your kid from the number. Trust me, I searched diligently, spent hours at the social security office, and went round and round with them on the phone.

What we ended up doing, since they probably laughed off and threw away our forms asking to get rid of the number, is just shredded the card and threw it in the trash. I have no idea what it is and we do not plan to use it. We are going to homeschool and do not claim him on taxes, even know we ate $3 grand in returns last year. Whatever. I'm just trying to make it as easy as possible for him to be off the radar in case that is what he wants when he is older.

No big deal. It is not your or your kids number. It belongs to the State and is assigned to the Corporate Person.

It ain't you.

 

[Czolgosz]

That is mostly correct but you technically don't need a license to drive a car in NH. NH doesn't have a learner's permit system. So when a person is learning to drive, he don't have a learner's permit or a license. However, he must travel "with a licensed adult 25 years or older in the front passenger seat."
http://www.dmv.org/nh-new-hampshire/teen-drivers.php

Technically don't need one, i.e. Constitutionally? Do people get harassed and or jailed for not having one (and like not having a license plate)? If a person wants to live as a sovereign in New Hampshire will he be able to find adequate employment and housing? (I'll study more at the FSP web site)



This isn't directed toward you, but do the Amish succumb to identification numbers and penalties? Do they have allodial title to their land? etc.