Islam is not a RACE

[cajuncocoa]

I don't mean to defame or insult you, but your use of the term "Islamophobia" is offensive, simply because the term itself is offensive. Its propagated by the Muslim Brotherhood, and its many allies and front groups, like al-Jazeera and CAIR (which was started for the purpose of fundraising for Hamas, the official Palestinian MB chapter, which promises to kill all the Jews). There actually are bigots who want to discriminate against Muslims in general, but the vast majority of the time "Islamophobia" is used, its used to silence legitimate criticism of barbaric, bigoted, supremacist Muslims. Responding to criticism of Islamic bigotry with "Not all Muslims are the same" is outrageous, because criticizing Islamic bigotry is not the same as asserting that all Muslims are bigots. To the contrary, you're accusing critics of bigotry of being bigots themselves; you're using fake tolerance to defend actual intolerance. If you really want Islam to reform, then step 1 is respecting ppl who criticize Islamic fanaticism, rather than insulting, shaming and silencing them as "Islamophobes." Calling ppl bigots for criticizing bigotry is just outrageous.

The greatest website in the history of the planet is TheReligionOfPeace.com, which is solely dedicated to criticizing Islam, but they repeatedly condemn discrimination against individual Muslims. Criticizing Islam is not criticizing all Muslims, and to imply as such by subscribing to this stupid "Islamophobia" bullshit is just absurd.

Does the word Islamophobia count as a micro-aggression? Do you need a safe place?

 

[OReich]

Does the word Islamophobia count as a micro-aggression? Do you need a safe place?

lol I hate all that leftist crap about micro-aggressions and Islamophobia. You're the one subscribing to leftist bullshit. You're much, much closer toe the "safe space," "microaggression" leftists than I am. With all due respect (because you do in fact believe in treating ppl equally, so I don't want to insult you), look in the mirror. You're the one repeating leftist bullshit about nonexistent bigotry, not me. In fact, I don't even know what I said that would even imply that I'm someone who complains about microaggressions and needing a safe space. You're much closer to this than I am.

"Safe space" "microaggression" leftists are the exact ppl who complain about nonexistent "Islamophobia" like you. Leftist academics ban Israeli critics of Israel from speaking on college campuses, while inviting Muslim terrorist supporters that openly call for killing innocent Jews. When ppl say its not right to invite a terrorist supporter, or when ppl complain about Islamic bigotry in general, they're called Islamophobes. Seriously, where did you get this crazy idea that I would be some dumbass who talks about safe spaces and microaggressions?

 

[TER]

OReich, are you Jewish?

 

[cajuncocoa]

lol I hate all that leftist crap about micro-aggressions and Islamophobia. You're the one subscribing to leftist bullshit. You're much, much closer toe the "safe space," "microaggression" leftists than I am. With all due respect (because you do in fact believe in treating ppl equally, so I don't want to insult you), look in the mirror. You're the one repeating leftist bullshit about nonexistent bigotry, not me. In fact, I don't even know what I said that would even imply that I'm someone who complains about microaggressions and needing a safe space. You're much closer to this than I am.

Nope. Not Leftist. Libertarian. It's a dying philosophy on this board lately. I understand if you don't recognize it. I believe in treating people as individuals.

 

[OReich]

OReich, are you Jewish?

Atheist/agnostic Jew, but I identify as Jewish and I'm technically Jewish under Jewish law, because it goes by the mother, not belief. I'm Israeli American, hence my obsession with all the retards here who tell Israelis to lay down and die.

 

[TER]

Atheist/agnostic Jew, but I identify as Jewish and I'm technically Jewish under Jewish law, because it goes by the mother, not belief. I'm Israeli American, hence my obsession with all the retards here who tell Israelis to lay down and die.

I'm sorry, but I don't understand. If you are an atheist, how can you be a Jew?

 

[euphemia]

Why can't Islam be a race?

Because one can be converted, on threat of death. Of course, with today's racial fluidity, it's hard to say.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Atheist/agnostic Jew, but I identify as Jewish and I'm technically Jewish under Jewish law, because it goes by the mother, not belief. I'm Israeli American, hence my obsession with all the retards here who tell Israelis to lay down and die.

Do you think that Jews were/are justified in stealing the property of Palestinians?

 

[OReich]

I'm sorry, but I don't understand. If you are an atheist, how can you be a Jew?

Lol its hard to understand because it doesn't make sense. I personally identify as Jewish, but my feelings aren't hurt at all if someone tells me I'm not Jewish, its just a cultural identification to me. And, it just so happens that according to Jewish law, Judaism passes genetically through the mother, and is NOT belief-based. So according to the Orthodox (the only people who really care about Judaism in a strict sense), I'm a Jew period. There are also Atheist Muslims now, because, like Judaism, it has traditions and holidays, so to continue those traditions, we choose to identify as culturally Jewish or culturally Muslim. It doesn't make sense, but I call myself Jewish. Because Jews are a minority, Judaism is like an ethnicity to us, its like a tribal loyalty to our family.

 

[TER]

Lol its hard to understand because it doesn't make sense. I personally identify as Jewish, but my feelings aren't hurt at all if someone tells me I'm not Jewish, its just a cultural identification to me. And, it just so happens that according to Jewish law, Judaism passes genetically through the mother, and is NOT belief-based. So according to the Orthodox (the only people who really care about Judaism in a strict sense), I'm a Jew period.

So, according to the Orthodox Jew, you are Jewish, even if you don't believe in God? Is it because of your race and genetics?

 

[OReich]

Do you think that Jews were/are justified in stealing the property of Palestinians?

Fuck no. Do you think Muslims were justified in stealing more land from Jews during the same 30 years? Do you think Muslim states were justified in invading Israel and promising to kick out all the Jews BEFORE Israel kicked out a single person in 1948? Seriously, are you incapable of holding Muslims to the same standards as the rest of the human race, or do you just have a hateful obsession with Jews? Really, that's an honest question: do you single out Jewish crimes because you hate Jews and hold them to higher standards, or do you single out Jewish crimes because you hold Muslims to zero standards? Why is it that Muslim violence is invisible to you, but Jewish violence matters to you? You literally describe a massive war as if only one side fired a bullet. You're a bigot.

 

[OReich]

So, according to the Orthodox Jew, you are Jewish, even if you don't believe in God? Is it because of your race and genetics?

Are you serious? I've said this twice now already: according to Orthodox Judaism, Judaism is genetic, and not belief based, it passes through the mother. Someone can convert under Orthodox law, but its a year long course with a Rabbi that pretty much discourages conversion.

 

[TER]

Are you serious? I've said this twice now already: according to Orthodox Judaism, Judaism is genetic, and not belief based, it passes through the mother. Someone can convert under Orthodox law, but its a year long course with a Rabbi that pretty much discourages conversion.

I am quite serious. I may be dense, but it seems to me that according to what you are saying, being Jewish has to do with one's race and not one's faith. This must be a mistake as that would probably be the most racist thing I have ever heard a religion teach. I remember reading stories in the Old Testament where God demonstrated that He can make as an adopted child of Israel people who were not born Jewish, from different races. When did that change?

 

[idiom]

 

[idiom]

I am quite serious. I may be dense, but it seems to me that according to what you are saying, being Jewish has to do with one's race and not one's faith. This must be a mistake as that would probably be the most racist thing I have ever heard a religion teach. I remember reading stories in the Old Testament where God demonstrated that He can make as an adopted child of Israel people who were not born Jewish, of from different races. When did that change?

Being Jewish has to do with being a descendant of Judah.

 

[OReich]

I am quite serious. I may be dense, but it seems to me that according to what you are saying, being Jewish has to do with one's race and not one's faith. This must be a mistake as that would probably be the most racist thing I have ever heard a religion teach. I remember reading stories in the Old Testament where God demonstrated that He can make as an adopted child of Israel people who were not born Jewish, of from different races. When did that change?

Because, as I just said, and as you quote me above, there is a conversion process. Non-Jews can become Jews. Israel took in thousands of Ethiopiean Jews, who are 100% African, because Queen Sheeba supposedly converted them centuries ago. Would you like me to repeat myself again? I love repeating myself, feel free to ask.

 

[TER]

Because, as I just said, and as you quote me above, there is a conversion process. Non-Jews can become Jews. Israel took in thousands of Ethiopiean Jews, who are 100% African, because Queen Sheeba supposedly converted them centuries ago. Would you like me to repeat myself again? I love repeating myself, feel free to ask.

So your self-identification and defense of Jews is not because you believe with them the same God, but because they are the same race as you. What makes you different from a Nazi skinhead?

 

[OReich]

What percentage of native-born, white, Christian Americans want to be governed by the US Constitution?

Recent elections results say ~1%.



What proportion of native-born, white, Christian Americans would like to impose similarly discriminatory laws, on the basis of their own faith?

....well, more than 1%, anyway.

White Christian Americans wrote the US constitution ffs. If you can find a poll showing that Christians oppose the constitution, or support laws which violate it, go ahead, and then we can discuss if Christianity is the reason they oppose the constitution. I have no problem identifying and condemn bigotry/extremism from any religion. But only when Islamic bigotry (the biggest example of bigotry in the world today) is criticized, do we have naive PC people calling the critics "Islamophobic."

 

[OReich]

So your self-identification and defense of Jews is not because you believe with them the same God, but because they are the same race as you. What makes you different from a Nazi skinhead?

The fact that I don't think Jews are better or worse than anyone else, and that I don't support violence against anyone on the basis of race or religion. And no, I don't think Judaism is a race, I think its a culture. The Orthodox, which I'm not a subscriber to, consider it a "race," but even they believe non-Jews can convert, so they misuse the word race.

 

[TER]

The fact that I don't think Jews are better or worse than anyone else, and that I don't support violence against anyone on the basis of race or religion. And no, I don't think Judaism is a race, I think its a culture. The Orthodox, which I'm not a subscriber to, consider it a "race," but even they believe non-Jews can convert, so they misuse the word race.

I appreciate your response. I will need to study more on this.