Ron would probably be president if he had the communication skills that Rand does (well at least he would have had a much better shot at it).
Is Ted Cruz undermining Rand Paul?
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Ron would probably be president if he had the communication skills that Rand does (well at least he would have had a much better shot at it).
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I actually think Ron has much better communication skills than Rand because he truly and deeply expressed liberty from his core in ways I don't sense from Rand.
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Well. There was something said around here regarding frequency. It's magic.
What do you mean?
Oh come on! You really think Cruz is doing this to help Rand??? He's doing this to help HIS self serving ass.. The man took a calculated risk by trying a tactic very similar to what Rand did with the drone issue. Cruz betted his azz that by using this tactic on an issue much more beholden to "conservatives" that it could propel him to the top the same way it did Rand or even that much more to he conservative base due to the issue. However, due to the bad press that Rand obviously saw coming he let Cruz take his calculated guess and run with it while Teddy boy was all to giddy to jump and run with it thinking this was going to bring him all the press and stardom that Rand received. Hell, even a poll that was probably put out by the establishment/bush cartel was made supposedly right after Cruz' whatever he was doing showing him all of a sudden leading the republican race. They tried to lay the narrative, but none of the other pollsters saw this in their data and didn't bite thank God! Cruz got played here plain and simple. If anything, I'd tend to think that it was Mike Lee who was knowingly helping Rand by assuring Ted he'd have his back on this while pushing Cruz out front on the issue. Not saying it backfired for Ted, but it didn't seem to help him much, but it did help Rand appear more moderate than he is and made Cruz the "extremist," which is something Cruz didn't see coming, but Rand did. I'd also guess Lee saw it that way as well. So I give more credit to Lee than Cruz, as Cruz did this for selfish reasons, but it was Lee who knowingly went along with it as Cruz' sidekick pushing Cruz out front knowing this would help Rand appear as the more moderate, pure genius imo.
And this serves Cruz right. The little stunt he pulled trying to position himself as the moderate when asked about his truly hawkish views on foreign policy when he tried to position himself between John McCain and Rand Paul on FP tried to make Rand look like the extremist. So if by some folk's wishful thinking theory that Cruz is intentionally doing this to help Rand appear as the moderate while himself as the extremist is dead wrong and foolish. He certainly wasn't doing that when he tried to make Rand look like the extremist on FP, but him the moderate. So ponder this for a moment and get back to me when reality sinks in. And that is he did this thinking it was going to propel him to the top, but in reality he got played and paid back by Rand and Mike Lee. So if anything, I'd be thanking Mike Lee for the help. Thanks Mike!
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Thank you for that good comment. I agree Ted Cruz is completely self-serving and not trying to help Rand. My intuition from years of observation of the political scene and movements is that Ted Cruz is trying to steal the thunder away from Rand, particularly because of Rand's increase in popularity following the #standwithrand This will ultimately split up the liberty movement and give the nomination to Christie.
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Ted Cruz at 14%- problem is a lot of that 14% favorability is coming from the liberty movement so as Ted alienates most of the country he splits the liberty movement at the same time. Cruz is bad news in my opinion. I've seen these sorts of opportunists before who just want the attention, money, speaker's fees, accolades, etc. and so will use the liberty movement so long as it fits them. If he were truly committed to liberty he would not have been so closely tied to Bush.
Good post and it gives the image of Mike Lee channeling Emperor Palpatine as far as being politically shrewd goes.
Ted's Role is as a booster. But not for Rand.
Ted's entire point is to prepare a play for Paul Ryan to sweep in as hero. As the VP, Ryan is it for the party elders, don't forget that.
Anything that is not genuine grassroots is 100% about making Ryan look better.
At the moment Ryan is being set up to achieve a compromise from an impossible situation. This is supposed to make him look smarter than anyone else in the party, but also make him look a lot more reasonable than the democrats. He will be the Hero that was able to talk both sides down from the cliff.
A cliff that was largely created by Ted.
Ted's entire point is to prepare a play for Paul Ryan to sweep in as hero. As the VP, Ryan is it for the party elders, don't forget that.
Anything that is not genuine grassroots is 100% about making Ryan look better.
At the moment Ryan is being set up to achieve a compromise from an impossible situation. This is supposed to make him look smarter than anyone else in the party, but also make him look a lot more reasonable than the democrats. He will be the Hero that was able to talk both sides down from the cliff.
A cliff that was largely created by Ted.
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You all have had some really good responses. Glad to see I wasn't the only one who had that thought about Cruz actually harming Rand and the liberty movement. Paul Ryan is a complete sell out. He supported stimulus and war under Bush. He will say anything to anyone. Also Palin, another person who comes along and appeals to us expecting us to buy her books, etc. is another fraud who was for war among other things. We keep getting all these people- Paul Ryan, Sarah Palin, Ted Cruz, etc. who just want to use us and it ends up diluting our message and hurting in the long run. This is why I think we should stand up to them and not just let them run all over us. We should let them know we don't appreciate them trying to co-opt the liberty movement for their own self-serving reasons like all other politicians. Cruz is trying to get attention for himself from us while at the same time allowing as someone else said, Paul Ryan to come in and look like the moderate. Can't you see we're being had by these people?
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Yeah but the damage would already be done if he diverts resources such as money and volunteers.
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We can't attack Ted Cruz without hurting ourselves worse. He is somewhat of a dangerous ally now, but we need to stay on the good side of the 10% or so that love him to death. It would be a terrible strategic blunder to go after someone who probably won't even be running for President come 2016.
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Without Ron Paul, there would be no liberty movement to propel Rand and more liberty-leaning patriots into office.
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Respectfully I disagree. I think Ted will run for President because he has nothing to lose. He loves the attention.
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Yep. Whippersnappers don't know anything about the good old days.
Which were long before 2007.
One thing that I do like to see though is the new generation learning the value of a good old fashioned cigar meeting. Seems like once the digital age liberty movement came into fruition that a lot of the folks who became products of just that aspect of it started to give themselves the impression that just because they are just now learning to do things that we did years ago that they know more about how things work than those who truly paved the modern path do. Unfortunately, this fad must pass but it does worry me that they just don't understand how easy it is to dig ones own political hole in the process. You know? Kind of like the inevitable moment that junior thinks he knows more than he does and flexes in the direction of pop? Is always a "game" until someone gets their feelings hurt. By their own hand most of the time.
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Yep. Whippersnappers don't know anything about the good old days.
Which were long before 2007.
One thing that I do like to see though is the new generation learning the value of a good old fashioned cigar meeting. Seems like once the digital age liberty movement came into fruition that a lot of the folks who became products of just that aspect of it started to give themselves the impression that just because they are just now learning to do things that we did years ago that they know more about how things work than those who truly paved the modern path do. Unfortunately, this fad must pass but it does worry me that they just don't understand how easy it is to dig ones own political hole in the process. You know? Kind of like the inevitable moment that junior thinks he knows more than he does and flexes in the direction of pop? Is always a "game" until someone gets their feelings hurt. By their own hand most of the time.
Exactly. They watch a couple youtube videos from the Mises Institute and all of a sudden they think they know everything. lol. This is what scares me about people falling for people who talk the language but in the long-run don't care about liberty. What scares me is people new to the liberty movement will just assume if someone is talking the language they must be good but people who have been around the while understand how movements get co-opted and people will use the movement to assemble their own list or raise money, or get volunteers, etc. People who truly care about liberty wouldn't be falling for people like Paul Ryan, Sarah Palin, Ted Cruz, etc. They have nothing on Ron Paul.
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Still think Ted Cruz probably won't be running?....
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/12/cruz-wins-religious-conservatives-2016-straw-poll/
It is all happening underneath our feet. He is undermining the liberty movement. This will harm Rand in the long-run. I hope we see it sooner rather than later. Or perhaps more importantly, I hope people on his staff see it sooner rather than later.
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Still personally use the term ally. I mean, come on, folks, one person isn't going to be able to reform a Party. You'll need multiple members to do that. And I again would point to Cruz reading tweets during Paul's filibuster. Sure, some call it pandering, but if that were the case, you'd have expected someone like Rubio, Graham or McCain to do it just to make themselves look good. But they didn't. I mean, in the House, are Massie and Amash out to undermine each other? Probably not. Is Cruz out to undermine Paul? In my mind, it's too soon to tell. Plus, let's be honest: Paul isn't going to win every single poll, vote or be the leading voice on everything GOP-related, as much as some people here would like him to be.
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