People are not monolithic entities. Not even protestors are.
They already do care about the liberty issue about not being thrown into shady dark vans without warrants.
So on that issue they are with us, that's enough. Nobody is saying to endorse them. What we are saying is to support their right to protest.
And obviously use this as a vehicle for spreading a pro-liberty message. "This (concrete example) is what happens when you give feds too much power. This was enabled by Obama and Bush administrations."
What you do, and Ron Paul always talked about doing, was building coalitions on individual issues. If we can find enough people who think that we should repeal the NDAA provision, and the Patriot Act, then that's a win. Forget about what they think about other issues. We are not endorsing whatever they are talking about on other issues.
It doesn't matter what these protests are about as long as we can create issue campaigns. This is a good time to hold some Pelosi feet to the fire but instead apparently the cool thing to do is shriek about "Marxists" who currently probably have less power than even libertarians.
So was "Ron Paul Forums" at some point, at least when it was a distant future threat. Then when it happened and orange man was in power, apparently it became a good thing.
Because they are dumb and naive? Believe it or not, when people are given information on what enabled something, usually they want that thing taken away. In this case it's the NDAA/Patriot Act. Yes, get them to put some Pelosi feet to the fire.
There is something called warrants, and due process, and whatnot. Things people seemed to care about here back until the lack of these things actually started being abused in a severe, blatant way.
At the very least, a very clear "I told you so" moment but instead I see taking the side of the abuser?
Very true!
The people defending this statism should be called out. Do you not agree? Who cares if people on the other side of the ideological aisle agree with us on something? Actually I do because it's more power to us.
I'm not sure that intentional division is quite the answer here but yes bringing the NDAA issue to light is the best thing we can be doing in this time.
Or how about you know, protesting the Patriot Act, protesting the NDAA, and protesting MAGA's abuse of these autocratic tools, and then try to get this damn statism repealed?
All 3 should be seen as individually intolerable and together contributing to something which can and will be repeated, only next time the victims may be someone you can't shriek "Marxist" at.
Again, spare the hysteria and try thinking clearly for a second. They don't have to "care what we think" in order to care about what makes throwing them in unmarked vans without warrants possible.
