Am I reading this right? You are thinking that you could get Marxists to care about liberty issues? You can't possibly be thinking that Marxists would make good allies in the quest to increase liberty.
People are not monolithic entities. Not even protestors are.
They already do care about the liberty issue about not being thrown into shady dark vans without warrants.
So on that issue they are with us, that's enough. Nobody is saying to endorse them. What we are saying is to support their right to protest.
And obviously use this as a vehicle for spreading a pro-liberty message.
"This (concrete example) is what happens when you give feds too much power. This was enabled by Obama and Bush administrations."
What you do, and Ron Paul always talked about doing, was building coalitions on individual issues. If we can find enough people who think that we should repeal the NDAA provision, and the Patriot Act, then that's a win. Forget about what they think about other issues. We are not endorsing whatever they are talking about on other issues.
Exactly. If these protests we're about liberty, ending police brutality, etc. BLM would have worked with Copblock, etc. But, No! They teamed with Antifa, told us to shut up, and ignored those issues and promoted commie nonsense while committing crimes.
NCLiberty is exactly correct in calling out The Count.
It doesn't matter what these protests are about as long as we can create issue campaigns. This is a good time to hold some Pelosi feet to the fire but instead apparently the cool thing to do is shriek about "Marxists" who currently probably have less power than even libertarians.
Oh, they're getting spooked by some feds shoving them into vans?
So was "Ron Paul Forums" at some point, at least when it was a distant future threat. Then when it happened and orange man was in power, apparently it became a good thing.
Why aren't Oregonians more outraged that their Democrat representatives voted for the NDAA? Then act surprised when they show up on your doorstep? and rail at Libertarians for not being outraged?
Because they are dumb and naive? Believe it or not, when people are given information on what enabled something, usually they want that thing taken away. In this case it's the NDAA/Patriot Act. Yes, get them to put some Pelosi feet to the fire.
Protesters have been going for 50 straight days & involves Federal buildings & Courthouse. I see a blurry line between Feds taking back their property & individual right to protest . I’m sure some of the protest are just criminals
From picture of article I posted their is graffiti in Federal Courthouse & I wonder if this building has been closed because of protests
Interesting sh*t show
There is something called warrants, and due process, and whatnot. Things people seemed to care about here back until the lack of these things actually started being abused in a severe, blatant way.
At the very least, a very clear "I told you so" moment but instead I see taking the side of the abuser?
You know that you live in the
Twilight Zone when the US is a
bankrupt warmongering police state
and Americans look you in the eye and
say that the USA is a peaceful and
free country with a balanced budget.
Very true!
Why aren’t libertarians outraged over xyz? It’s not about the subject xyz, it’s simply an attack on libertarians.
“Libertarians should be freaking out over San Gabriel! Don't they believe in property rights and freedom of religion!”
The people defending this statism should be called out. Do you not agree? Who cares if people on the other side of the ideological aisle agree with us on something? Actually I do because it's more power to us.
So the theme of the thread seems to be are you against the NDAA or are you "for" the BLM Protesters, so I'll just chime in.
I think it could be a strategically wise decision to demagogue the NDAA issue over this thing in Portland, even if you hate the BLM movement, which I do. BLM is not our friend, but I don't think Trump is our friend either nor are the republicans.
Trolling both sides into fighting more by using this NDAA thing as a tool might be a good way to keep them both fighting, and hopefully the government collapses sooner rather than later so we can get on with our lives.
Not that libertarians and their 5% minority stake in this country have much impact, but every bit counts.
I'm not sure that intentional division is quite the answer here but yes bringing the NDAA issue to light is the best thing we can be doing in this time.
It certainly
IS wrong because the people crying over it now are back-stabbers, liars and hypocrites!
PROOF:
Brian “Libertarians should be freaking out” Schatz voted to pass NDDA while Obama was in office!
Why didn’t all you phonys/marxists/commies take advantage of peoples’ disgust with Obama and join the libertarian outrage
BEFORE NDDA was passed - which legalized the situation you’re all fake-crying over now?! It's not as if we had no warning!
Perhaps,
NOW it’s libertarians' fault?!
You back-stabbing liars don't deserve the time of day from libertarians!
https://www.schatz.senate.gov/press-releases/national-defense-authorization-bill-passes-senate
Or how about you know, protesting the Patriot Act, protesting the NDAA, and protesting MAGA's abuse of these autocratic tools, and then try to get this damn statism repealed?
All 3 should be seen as individually intolerable and together contributing to something which
can and will be repeated, only next time the victims may be someone you can't shriek "Marxist" at.
Is this a concerted effort? Everywhere I look, I see Marxists asking for libertarians to scream and March in the street over this. For one, riots tend not to be our style. 2. WHEN DID MARXISTS EVER GIVE A DAMN WHAT WE THINK? Infact they have been telling us to shut up.
Seriously, Marxists on Twitter, Facebook, RPFs, etc. suddenly want to hear my opinion? Bull$#@!!
Again, spare the hysteria and try thinking clearly for a second. They don't have to "care what we think" in order to care about what makes throwing them in unmarked vans without warrants possible.
