I know why we are fighting "communism" - and it is not what you think.

[ChooseLiberty]

And Jacob Schiff's great great grandson is now married to which famous politician's daughter?

The whole thing is disgusting.

Kill the bank.

You do not understand what drives communism.

Communism is a tool of the same elite who own the Fed. The money that financed the Bolshevik Revolution came from Wall Street. Jacob Schiff, who was a prodigy of the Rothschilds and head of the banking firm Kuhn, Loeb, & Co., bragged on his death bed that he spent $20 million to overthrow the Czar. His grandson stated this as well. The Czar was the last holdout in a major power who would not allow the criminal syndicate that owns the Fed and the Central Banks of Europe, etc. to establish a central bank in Russia. He had to be overthrown. Lenin & Trotsky took $20M in gold from New York to Russia via Canada & Germany. The Canadian Government held them, but the US government pressured them to let them go. It's the ultimate monopoly, where the people have no rights at all, and the elite are absolute dictators. The Cold War was as much of a scam as the War on Terror and served no other purpose except to grow the military-indurstrial complex and scare the world into submission. Al Qaeda is just the next bogeyman to replace the Soviets.

 

[Hardrock]

"Whenever destroyers appear among men, they start by destroying money, for money is men's protection and the base of a moral existence. Destroyers seize gold and leave to its owners a counterfeit pile of paper. This kills all objective standards and delivers men into the arbitrary power of an arbitrary setter of values. Gold was an objective value, an equivalent of wealth produced. Paper is a mortgage on wealth that does not exist, backed by a gun aimed at those who are expected to produce it. Paper is a check drawn by legal looters upon an account which is not theirs: upon the virtue of the victims. Watch for the day when it becomes, marked: 'Account overdrawn.'

"When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral. Do not expect them to produce, when production is punished and looting rewarded. Do not ask, 'Who is destroying the world?' You are.

Ah yes, Rand.............

Let's see, if I wanted complete and total control over any nation of men, what would I do..........
Obviously, because I'm such a lazy and arrogant bastard, I believe I'd forgo the
multi- faceted approach. Too much work to tear down piece by piece.
The logistics would be a nightmare..................
Armed aggression is just so.....well,....beneath someone as wise and cunning as I.
Besides, I'm looking to gain from the blood and labor of other's.......not my own.
Also, I know slaves who recognize their own slavery are far less productive
than slaves who believe themselves to be free men.

Hmmmm...
I think I would work quietly in the shadows. I would find the one brick in the
foundation of a virtuous society that could be worked loose.
I would chip and file and ever so slightly dislodge the very cornerstone that held
so firmly the entire structure. That, in time would prove to be the best ROI I could ever imagine......
one small seed planted...........and I walk away.

While the nation of fools labor away believing today will be the same as yesterday,
little do they know all "tomorrows" just changed forever...........
Slowly eroding the fruits of their labor like wind erodes the earth.

Corrupt money, once corrupted, stays corrupted. The balance of trade and barter
is disrupted and all ledger is forever lost.
Existence shifts to survival and labor is replaced by cunning trickery.

It's a threadwork of small strings, all connected. Corrupt the money, you corrupt
everything attached to it, everything dependant upon it.


Yep, that'll work.
Destroy the very fabric of society by undermining the basic value of individual self worth.
Set loose a parasitic cancer upon the masses and watch the dominoes topple.

Of course, no one can blame me! I can plainly show........they did it to themselves.!
LOL!

Wonder if this scam would work with organized religion? Maybe politics?
I know! Education!
Let's see now, where can I find a group of empty craniums........
Hmmm.....
Institutes of higher learning are always churning out heads filled with
"other people's" ideas. Think I'll spew my thoughts about this novel idea
I've been working on............I'll call it Soci...Socialis.........Communism.
LOL!


So, now that you guys are finally putting the pieces of the puzzle together....
Just who the hell do you believe these "destroyers" to be?

Any idea? History buffs? Any of you have a clue as to who they are?
They've worked their magic for centuries.
They shouldn't be too hard to track back......

Anyone hear Jagger's "Sympathy for the debil" playing in the background?
LOL!



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[cageybee]

you know, i should've titled this thread "why we go around spreading democracy" instead of "why we fight communism", because people never read all the way through and think that i am talking about "why don't we become communists"

 

[Hardrock]

you know, i should've titled this thread "why we go around spreading democracy" instead of "why we fight communism", because people never read all the way through and think that i am talking about "why don't we become communists"

I read your post all the way through, and I understand your position.

Hindsight, for me anyway, is abit hard to decipher through all the historical
mis-information and manipulation.
What we were all taught about events in history and their causes/effects are in large
part only what the perpertrators of those events wanted us to know.....

That would include our own leaders and our own governments.

If I were to confront you with despotisim in one hand, and reach around
with the other and offer up Communism as the lesser of two evils, which would you grasp?
Would you more quickly embrace Communisim if I convinced you it would protect
you from Capitalist enslavement?

What if later you discovered I controlled all three?


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[cageybee]

I read your post all the way through, and I understand your position.

Hindsight, for me anyway, is abit hard to decipher through all the historical
mis-information and manipulation.
What we were all taught about events in history and their causes/effects are in large
part only what the perpertrators of those events wanted us to know.....

That would include our own leaders and our own governments.

If I were to confront you with despotisim in one hand, and reach around
with the other and offer up Communism as the lesser of two evils, which would you grasp?
Would you more quickly embrace Communisim if I convinced you it would protect
you from Capitalist enslavement?

What if later you discovered I controlled all three?

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I highly doubt that US has been controlling communism, because I watched a documentary that exposes CIA where they were sent on missions around the world to fight communists and to start revolutions.

Installment of Shah in Iran is a perfect example. War in Iraq is a second example. Collapse of the Soviet Union is a third example.

 

[Todd]

I highly doubt that US has been controlling communism, because I watched a documentary that exposes CIA where they were sent on missions around the world to fight communists and to start revolutions.

Installment of Shah in Iran is a perfect example. War in Iraq is a second example. Collapse of the Soviet Union is a third example.

Yes..but absolutely no one with any credibility in International theory could have every predicted the collapse of the USSR as it occured. In other words... Woops!!!
We were wrong. but I do agree that it's a stretch the U.S. was controlling communism.

 

[cageybee]

Yes..but absolutely no one with any credibility in International theory could have every predicted the collapse of the USSR as it occured. In other words... Woops!!!
We were wrong. but I do agree that it's a stretch the U.S. was controlling communism.

Todd, there are 2 articles on the web and some recently released government documents that show that US is responsible for the collapse of the USSR. Also, Glen Beck mentioned it very recently on CNN that we were responsible.

One of the articles is an interview with Z. Brzezinski; it is about how him and carter came up with a strategy to get USSR involved in an Afghan war. The directive of Carter to send CIA to and support Mujahedeen about 6 months prior to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan resulted in the Soviet invasion as it was predicted by Brzezinski.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BRZ110A.html

The second one, is about Reagan offering a partnership agreement to Andropov after Reagan has employed CIA and financial institutions to destabilize the Soviet economy. And at the time of almost fallen economy, when Reagan made an offer of partnership to Russia, Andropov declined the offer looking at it as a betrayal of Russia and exploitation of Russia by USA. The analysts at that time have predicted that if Andropov would decline this offer - USSR would have to enter a very costly arms race which would collapse the Soviet economy and ultimately the Soviet Union within 5 years or so. Sure enough, that is exactly what happened.
http://www.new-federalist.com/other/2007/3407_andropov_blunder.html
http://www.time.com/time/subscriber/personoftheyear/archive/stories/1983.html
http://www.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,19840102,00.html

 

[[email protected]]

Yes..but absolutely no one with any credibility in International theory could have every predicted the collapse of the USSR as it occured. In other words... Woops!!!
We were wrong. but I do agree that it's a stretch the U.S. was controlling communism.

Not the US, the owners of the Fed. The USSR didn't collapse, it was just relaxed a little and became "former communists" so it coule be merged with the US. The same people control it today that controlled it back then.

 

[cageybee]

Not the US, the owners of the Fed. The USSR didn't collapse, it was just relaxed a little and became "former communists" so it coule be merged with the US. The same people control it today that controlled it back then.

ok, put your tin foil hat on. this is a really ridiculous conspiracy theory. did you even bother to read the articles that i've provided?

the USSR did collapse, and Yeltsin (pro-american puppet) did fuck up the country and allowed trillions of dollars of damages to Russia and billions of dollars in capital to be looted, and caused immense population and health damages to Russia.

Putin had to fix the country after what the US did to Russia. And now that US no longer has any kind of influence on the Russian state - they are complaining about him, while over 75% of Russians are crazy about Putin. Now that he is doing what's best for Russia and not US - US is outraged about Russia's "democracy".

I already said earlier that US is promoting democracy only for the purposes of exploitation - nothing else. When we face a resistance, we tend to send military forces or CIA to start revolutions.

 

[Mach]

ok, put your tin foil hat on. this is a really ridiculous conspiracy theory. did you even bother to read the articles that i've provided?

I couldn't believe that when I read it.......... cageybee.... how old are you?

Read your quote over about another 5 times, if you don't get it, then, I get it. Get out into the real world...........

By the way.... you believe 9/11 was an inside job, but, you don't believe communism was?

 

[cageybee]

I couldn't believe that when I read it.......... cageybee.... how old are you?

Read your quote over about another 5 times, if you don't get it, then, I get it. Get out into the real world...........

By the way.... you believe 9/11 was an inside job, but, you don't believe communism was?

I proved to you what I was arguing in my earlier post when I have provided you with an interview of Z. Brzezinski and 2 other articles. You are the conspiracy theorist when you believe that communism was an inside job and that it was controlled by the rich. The rich did everything they could to brake it so that they could exploit the people and the resources of the country, and the poor originally created communism to protect themselves from the foreign capitalist exploitation.

You still don't understand what is the difference between communism and despotism:

in communism there are no rich - absolutely, 0, non. everything belongs to the country and to the people. people chose a person to rule the country.

in despotism, the ruler party (be it one person or a group) own everything and everyone else owns nothing.

communism is, and has always been since 1913 a threat to the globalists that have been looking for ways to bring it down so that they could exploit cheap resources and people.

how else do you want me to explain it to you???

 

[cageybee]

When Andropov was a Chief of KGB, they have done a financial/economic study which told them that in order to contain or neutralize US, they needed to adopt the same monetary system as the US and change the USSR to a democratic state. however, they did not want to open it immediately, because they did not want US to coming and buy up the whole country, because Russian economy was falling from the USSR regime.

They wanted to bring the change to Russia gradually in steps to prevent USA from taking over. Gorbachev was Andropov's protege and when he came to power he brought the changes, but these changes of course exposed the Russian people to the US propaganda and these changes brought an economic and governmental instability.

This was enough for US to put intelligence agents in Russia who purposefully raised anti-Gorbachev propaganda (people kept hearing from everywhere that life is fucked up, everything is bad, Gorbachev is a bad leader, etc, etc - I know, I lived there during those days and I thought that's how it was).

They helped Yeltsin to raise the people and the military and stormed the Russian government and took over the power in Russia.

For years Yeltsin fucked up the country and caused trillions of dollars in damages.

KGB had to rescue the country from the massive organized crime connected to the west. They sent Putin to work under cover to regain control of the government.

It took them years to finally come to power and now they have a complete control.

Putin is now called "Andropov's Ghost". He is continuing with the plan of Andropov that is supposed to bring a huge growth to the Russian economy.

And if you look at Russian economical statistics, they are growing big and fast. So fast, that our Chief of Intel has recently stated that Russia, along with China and OPEC, are now a financial threat!

http://www.centerforintelligencestudies.com/cfisintelligencebriefs.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putinism
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080205/pl_nm/security_usa_threats_dc

P.S. You guys still have not answered my concerns for our country:

"But if our country's economy falls tomorrow and foreigners come running in trying to buy up our whole country and enslave all of our businesses for the prosperity and future of their countries - what are we going to do??

Imagine dollar crash to the point when it becomes a toilet paper. Bill gates and Microsoft become worth pennies for anyone in China lets say. They will buy it in a split second. And from that point, all the Microsoft earnings will be benefiting China and not US.

And then we are facing another problem. Say, again, our economy crashes. Devastation all over the country, but, since we have just passed a legislation that prevents foreigners from investing in our country - our country becomes a closed society just like communism or despotism, but, since the Federal Reserve has the gold and it is a private entity - it automatically becomes a Despot and our "regime" becomes despotism which is way worse than communism."

 

[Mach]

Whatever.........

It's the classic....... I have some land down in the glades for sale, a great price! Let's make a deal!


You can have money without power, but, you can't have power without money!!!!!!

Ever!!!!!!

 

[cageybee]

Whatever.........

It's the classic....... I have some land down in the glades for sale, a great price! Let's make a deal!


You can have money without power, but, you can't have power without money!!!!!!

Ever!!!!!!

whatever what?? i am making a point here and providing solid support and you are just ignoring my major concerns??

you see, this is how this country got in this freaking mess in a first place: bunch of ignorant people who don't like to read, don't study geopolitics, politics, history, foreign relations, philosophy, ideology, and economics.

lots of people in this country grew up on rumors and propaganda. that's why we are just now "waking up."

 

[ArrestPoliticians]

It is no mistake to look at past revolutions to compare their motivations with our own. The terms "counter revolutionary" and "reactionary" are as useful in our revolution as they were then.

 

[cageybee]

It is no mistake to look at past revolutions to compare their motivations with our own. The terms "counter revolutionary" and "reactionary" are as useful in our revolution as they were then.

exactly!

and while some think of lenin as a bad man or an idiot or a ruthless murder, his words to future generations were "Education is everything! Study, study, study!". On the contrary, however, the CFR, ever since its been established, has been dumbing down this country.

 

[[email protected]]

I proved to you what I was arguing in my earlier post when I have provided you with an interview of Z. Brzezinski and 2 other articles. You are the conspiracy theorist when you believe that communism was an inside job and that it was controlled by the rich. The rich did everything they could to brake it so that they could exploit the people and the resources of the country, and the poor originally created communism to protect themselves from the foreign capitalist exploitation.

You still don't understand what is the difference between communism and despotism:

in communism there are no rich - absolutely, 0, non. everything belongs to the country and to the people. people chose a person to rule the country.

in despotism, the ruler party (be it one person or a group) own everything and everyone else owns nothing.

communism is, and has always been since 1913 a threat to the globalists that have been looking for ways to bring it down so that they could exploit cheap resources and people.

how else do you want me to explain it to you???

You are spewing propaganda designed to convince the masses that communism is a movement of the people. It is obviously working on you. Your view of communism is an illusion.

Z. Brzezinski is totally owned by the elite.

 

[cageybee]

You are spewing propaganda designed to convince the masses that communism is a movement of the people. It is obviously working on you. Your view of communism is an illusion.

Z. Brzezinski is totally owned by the elite.

look, i am going to repeat for like 5th time now that the point of this article is not to tell you about how great communism is - the point of this article is about why US is going around and spreading democracy.

I am sorry, but you just proved what I said earlier about how american people don't read, because you did not actually read what I was saying - you just skimmed through and look at one sentence (2 max) and make an assumption as if you have read the whole post. sorry buddy, its true.

my point is that we as a country right now are a very aggressive country that exploits people and countries around the world, and the moment that they stand up to us, we employ military, or CIA, or media propaganda to overthrow governments that don't want to play by the rules we give them even if what we are trying to do is unethical.

war in iraq is a perfect example. current N-issue with Iran is another example. previous installment of Shah in Iran is another example. Installment of Yeltsin in Russia is another example. collapse of the Soviet Union is another example. Destabilization attempts in Venezuela to overthrow Chavez is another example. Vietnam is another example. N Korea is another example. Guatemala is another example. Support of Kosovo's independence even if it is a violation of international law is another example. Breakdown of the Yugoslavia is another example. Break down of the Soviet republics into separate states is another example. Installment of Karzai in afghanistan is another example.

Should I continue pointing out how unethical we are??

and please, do everyone a favor, if you are going to participate in a discussion, make sure that you actually read and comprehend what is being discussed before you make any comments as what you are doing is wasting my time by making me explaining things 5 times to you. it is truly disrespectful from your side when you just spit out things based on assumptions without actually reading the whole post.

in other words be a good troll - the one that actually contributes to a discussion - not the one that creates confusion.

 

[constituent]

While we just wake up to the fact that globalists are running the world, the foreign governments always knew that there is evil behind our government. They just had to take appropriate measures to prevent the evil from coming over there as their countries were not advanced as we were.

"the lesser of two evils is still evil."

-whoever said it

 

[constituent]

Read Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism

Capitalism was viewed by undeveloped nations as a major threat, especially the one with a credit-based monetary system.

And I did not say that communism was good. I did say it was bad. I just think that in order to fight our system, they thought that communism was the best counter measure.

problem->rxn->solution