I know why we are fighting "communism" - and it is not what you think.

Bullshit. All of the capital was owned by those who owned the state. Lenin, Stalin, etc. were front-men. Communism is nothing more than a monopoly with a puppet government.

no, if lenin or any political leader would be caught by anyone within the government with any kind of massive capital - they would sell them out immediately and there would be an uprising immediately. the Chekists (KGB) they new about everything about everyone in the country, including Lenin. If Lenin was full of shit, they would sell him out right then to gain more power.

Communism is not a tool of the rich. You are talking about despotism.
 
Nope. The people just get fucked. The same ruling elite stay in power no matter what. If you think there were no rich people in the Soviet Union or China you are sadly mistaken.

Origianally, during the times of Lenin, Stalin, and Khrushev there were no rich people in Russia. Later, during Brezhnev's time, the corruption started growing and some were stealing here and there, but still there were no super rich.

Trust me, KGB knew all affairs about everyone in powers. If there were any super rich in Russia - they would be caught immediately, because that was considered as highest treason and they would be executed.
 
no, if lenin or any political leader would be caught by anyone within the government with any kind of massive capital - they would sell them out immediately and there would be an uprising immediately. the Chekists (KGB) they new about everything about everyone in the country, including Lenin. If Lenin was full of shit, they would sell him out right then to gain more power.

Communism is not a tool of the rich. You are talking about despotism.

Call it what you want. It works the same way. The KGB was a tool of the elite, the same way as the CIA is a tool of the elite here. It's the same elite. The central banks in the communist countries are the same as the one here. They are owned by the same elite.
 
Call it what you want. It works the same way. The KGB was a tool of the elite, the same way as the CIA is a tool of the elite here. It's the same elite. The central banks in the communist countries are the same as the one here. They are owned by the same elite.

the elite of the Soviet Union were political leaders who made slightly more money than everyone else. KGB was a tool of the political party, but the same political party was scared of KGB because KGB knew all their secrets. still, I say there were no super rich - just people with power.
 
the elite of the Soviet Union were political leaders who made slightly more money than everyone else. KGB was a tool of the political party, but the same political party was scared of KGB because KGB knew all their secrets. still, I say there were no super rich - just people with power.

What do you think wealth is??? Money?! Money is nothing except a means to power*... Power is the ultimate wealth, as you control everything. Why do you think those with billions of dollars are rarely satisfied to just sit back and retire? (let's ignore the hard work ethic that billionaires--of the past anyway--often had)

*of course money is necessary in an economy that goes beyond barter, and is therefore not useless, but that's beside my point here
 
Millions of people have been killed in the Soviet Union by the communists. Why did they kill them?? Was it because communists were ruthless killers???? No!!! They had to do it to prevent any movements of democracy in order to protect the people from the worse - The Federal Reserve Bank! People were uneducated. How could anyone explain to them that the Revolution and communism were really to protect the people from the exploitation of globalists.

While we just wake up to the fact that globalists are running the world, the foreign governments always knew that there is evil behind our government. They just had to take appropriate measures to prevent the evil from coming over there as their countries were not advanced as we were.


Delusional much?
:rolleyes:
 
What do you think wealth is??? Money?! Money is nothing except a means to power*... Power is the ultimate wealth, as you control everything. Why do you think those with billions of dollars are rarely satisfied to just sit back and retire? (let's ignore the hard work ethic that billionaires--of the past anyway--often had)

*of course money is necessary in an economy that goes beyond barter, and is therefore not useless, but that's beside my point here

while it is true that power is the ultimate wealth, but there were no leaders that were enjoying fancy things while everyone had it hard. of course the leaders needed power - how else they supposed to rule?? but you are missing the point that in communism, all the capital belongs to the state and not to the leaders. when i say the state, i say the country, the nation, the people, and not to those that ruled the country. they ruled the country for the people. but when the people started messing with the political party - they got in trouble, because the majority of people wanted things the way they were.

you are still thinking about despotism, where the top owns everything and people own nothing. that's what the elite of our country (NWO) want to do. they want to take away our liberties, close our society, take away our properties, and rule the world with their despot (like a pharaoh) at the top.
 
cageybee, you remind me of someone I "debate" with at another forum....... do you know where he gets all of his commie Info from? College Professors, that have lived in College since they themselves were students and now they sell Communism as a good thing, you know, for the people. The sick thing is, they sell it in such a goody good fairytale way that it makes me sick, it's all very after the fact story telling. What you need to look up is, Royalty, the overthrow.... who planned it, what were their goals? It's funny, you seem to see and believe that the Federal Reserve is really in power here, but, you refuse to believe that "they" were in power back then over there....... so........ you believe in one "conspiracy theory", but, not the other one? Let's put it this way, they got in extra deep here in 1913, well, they accomplished that goal........ guess who was next on there list? 1917!

What you read in common history books is a joke.

You never know.....



"By 1880, the Vatican-Rockefeller-Standard Oil cartel completely dominated the domestic and foreign markets for kerosene. All competition was ruthlessly crushed by this juggernaut. Then a rival appeared in the form of Russian oil. A Swede named Robert Nobel built a refinery in BAKU on the Caspian sea. He began to produce cheaper and better oil but was shut out of European and world markets by Standard Oil.

Rapid growth in Russian oil production had been achieved despite political upheaval that had enveloped the country since the turn of the century, much of which had been centered in the country’s oil capital, BAKU. Strikes by oil workers had been a regular feature of the protests against the Tsar in 1903 and 1904, and were a major factor in the 1905 revolution, in which the former Josef Dzhugashvili played a significant, anti-Tsarist role. As a result of his revolutionary activity he fostered in BAKU at that time, Dzhugashvili was exiled to Siberia. Later, he would become better known as Josef Stalin."
 
while it is true that power is the ultimate wealth, but there were no leaders that were enjoying fancy things while everyone had it hard. of course the leaders needed power - how else they supposed to rule?? but you are missing the point that in communism, all the capital belongs to the state and not to the leaders. when i say the state, i say the country, the nation, the people, and not to those that ruled the country. they ruled the country for the people. but when the people started messing with the political party - they got in trouble, because the majority of people wanted things the way they were.

you are still thinking about despotism, where the top owns everything and people own nothing. that's what the elite of our country (NWO) want to do. they want to take away our liberties, close our society, take away our properties, and rule the world with their despot (like a pharaoh) at the top.

You are dangerously delusional. No the leaders of the soviet union were all just working hard for The Workers - they were enjoying no luxury themselves. I suggest you read something like GULAG Archipelago

who dragged this communist crap in here?

I wonder if people like you are honestly delusional about the existence of the ruling elite in communism - or if you actually see yourself as part of the ruling elite. If its the second I do suggest you study the GULAG for it was you that was the first to be executed.
 
You are dangerously delusional. No the leaders of the soviet union were all just working hard for The Workers - they were enjoying no luxury themselves. I suggest you read something like GULAG Archipelago

who dragged this communist crap in here?

I wonder if people like you are honestly delusional about the existence of the ruling elite in communism - or if you actually see yourself as part of the ruling elite. If its the second I do suggest you study the GULAG for it was you that was the first to be executed.

cageybee, you remind me of someone I "debate" with at another forum....... do you know where he gets all of his commie Info from? College Professors, that have lived in College since they themselves were students and now they sell Communism as a good thing, you know, for the people. The sick thing is, they sell it in such a goody good fairytale way that it makes me sick, it's all very after the fact story telling. What you need to look up is, Royalty, the overthrow.... who planned it, what were their goals? It's funny, you seem to see and believe that the Federal Reserve is really in power here, but, you refuse to believe that "they" were in power back then over there....... so........ you believe in one "conspiracy theory", but, not the other one? Let's put it this way, they got in extra deep here in 1913, well, they accomplished that goal........ guess who was next on there list? 1917!

What you read in common history books is a joke.

You never know.....



"By 1880, the Vatican-Rockefeller-Standard Oil cartel completely dominated the domestic and foreign markets for kerosene. All competition was ruthlessly crushed by this juggernaut. Then a rival appeared in the form of Russian oil. A Swede named Robert Nobel built a refinery in BAKU on the Caspian sea. He began to produce cheaper and better oil but was shut out of European and world markets by Standard Oil.

Rapid growth in Russian oil production had been achieved despite political upheaval that had enveloped the country since the turn of the century, much of which had been centered in the country’s oil capital, BAKU. Strikes by oil workers had been a regular feature of the protests against the Tsar in 1903 and 1904, and were a major factor in the 1905 revolution, in which the former Josef Dzhugashvili played a significant, anti-Tsarist role. As a result of his revolutionary activity he fostered in BAKU at that time, Dzhugashvili was exiled to Siberia. Later, he would become better known as Josef Stalin."


guys, i am not selling communism to anyone and i am not promoting communism to anyone. i love libertarianism the way Ron Paul talks about it.

I was just trying to explain to you guys what communism is because i see that most of you got it mixed with despotism.

communism and despotism are similar but very different. in communism everything is nationalized and belongs to the country, while in despotism everything belongs to the despot.

If a country has to chose between despotism and communism - it will always chose communism so that it is fair, because despotism is unfair due to the fact that the despot can enjoy all the fancy shmancy things and people can not.

But why do countries chose communism even though it is considered oppressing?? Why do they close their their economies to foreign governments, or companies, or individual investors? Only undeveloped countries with high nationalism chose communism to protect themselves from being slaves of foreigners. And foreigners are constantly hungry for cheap and poor countries.

That's why "we" are running around the world and promoting democracy.

Ron Paul is always talking about that promoting democracy in other countries is none of our business. And I totally agree with him. But fucking Bush is annoying with his deceptive democracy promotion around the world for the purposes of opening cheap economies for our globalists to exploit.

He even told Putin that "Iraq style" democracy (meaning no state control) would be perfect for Russia. Putin laughed at him for these remarks (thinking "do you think I am that fucking stupid?")
 
guys, i am not selling communism to anyone and i am not promoting communism to anyone. i love libertarianism the way Ron Paul talks about it.

I was just trying to explain to you guys what communism is because i see that most of you got it mixed with despotism.

Ok which is it? Are you a liar or are you stupid?
 
You are dangerously delusional. No the leaders of the soviet union were all just working hard for The Workers - they were enjoying no luxury themselves. I suggest you read something like GULAG Archipelago

who dragged this communist crap in here?

I wonder if people like you are honestly delusional about the existence of the ruling elite in communism - or if you actually see yourself as part of the ruling elite. If its the second I do suggest you study the GULAG for it was you that was the first to be executed.

I want to add here:

the reason why there were all these prison systems like Gulag and the paranoia is because the communism had a constant "enemy".

That enemy was:

1. Anyone that opposed the political system
2. Anyone that promoted a western way of life
3. Anyone that promoted that a life in the west is better
4. Anyone that was not willing to defend the interests of the communist party

But why was the communist party created in the first place? To protect the people of the country from becoming the slaves of the western globalists!

Those that do not understand communism - will always think of GULAG and the Communist party as the "evil" thing.

But if our country's economy falls tomorrow and foreigners come running in trying to buy up our whole country and enslave all of our businesses for the prosperity and future of their countries - what are we going to do??

Imagine dollar crash to the point when it becomes a toilet paper. Bill gates and Microsoft become worth pennies for anyone in China lets say. They will buy it in a split second. And from that point, all the Microsoft earnings will be benefiting China and not US.

And then we are facing another problem. Say, again, our economy crashes. Devastation all over the country, but, since we have just passed a legislation that prevents foreigners from investing in our country - our country becomes a closed society just like communism or despotism, but, since the Federal Reserve has the gold and it is a private entity - it automatically becomes a Despot and our "regime" becomes despotism which is way worse than communism.

This is just some food for thought.
 
I want to add here:

the reason why there were all these prison systems like Gulag and the paranoia is because the communism had a constant "enemy".

That enemy was:

1. Anyone that opposed the political system
2. Anyone that promoted a western way of life
3. Anyone that promoted that a life in the west is better
4. Anyone that was not willing to defend the interests of the communist party

But why was the communist party created in the first place? To protect the people of the country from becoming the slaves of the western globalists!

Those that do not understand communism - will always think of GULAG and the Communist party as the "evil" thing.

But if our country's economy falls tomorrow and foreigners come running in trying to buy up our whole country and enslave all of our businesses for the prosperity and future of their countries - what are we going to do??

Imagine dollar crash to the point when it becomes a toilet paper. Bill gates and Microsoft become worth pennies for anyone in China lets say. They will buy it in a split second. And from that point, all the Microsoft earnings will be benefiting China and not US.

And then we are facing another problem. Say, again, our economy crashes. Devastation all over the country, but, since we have just passed a legislation that prevents foreigners from investing in our country - our country becomes a closed society just like communism or despotism, but, since the Federal Reserve has the gold and it is a private entity - it automatically becomes a Despot and our "regime" becomes despotism which is way worse than communism.

This is just some food for thought.

So is that why the first people sent into the meat grinder were the real socialists who wanted to feed people and help Russia? I guess they didnt get the party memo that in order to save Russia they had to starve millions - to save them from the evil globalists. Thats like the mother who killed her kids to protect them from the devil or whatever. You are delusional, and your comprehension of the soviet union is disgusting. To pretend, to this very day, that the Checka was only trying to PROTECT THE PEOPLE from the evil capitalists is utterly disgusting. You disgust me. But what gets me is that you expect this crap to fly here, of all places.

:rolleyes:
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Bolshevism#United_States_and_Great_Britain.2C_1920s

The American ambassador to Russia, David Francis, wrote in January 1918 that most of the Bolshevik leaders were Jewish.[14] A report by British Intelligence, "A Monthly Review of the Progress of Revolutionary Movements Abroad", states in the first paragraph that international Communism is controlled by Jews.[15] Capt. Montgomery Schuyler, a military intelligence officer in Russia, reported regularly to the chief of staff of U.S. Army Intelligence, who relayed the reports to the US president. In one of these reports, declassified in 1958, Schuyler states: "It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the United States, but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since its beginning, guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest type..."[16] In another report on June 9, 1919, Schuyler wrote the following, which the historical record shows to be mostly inaccurate:[citation needed]

A table made up in 1918, by Robert Wilton, correspondent of the London Times in Russia, shows at that time there were 384 commissars including 2 Negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen, 22 Armenians and more than 300 Jews. Of the latter number, 264 had come from the United States since the downfall of the Imperial Government.[16]

In an article in the Illustrated Sunday Herald on February 8 1920, Winston Churchill asserted::

There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistic Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews.[17][12]
 
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Schiff was a Jewish extremist and banker and gave Lev Davidovich Bronstein (aka Leon Trotsky) $20 million to fund the overthrow of the Czar.
 
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So is that why the first people sent into the meat grinder were the real socialists who wanted to feed people and help Russia? I guess they didnt get the party memo that in order to save Russia they had to starve millions - to save them from the evil globalists. Thats like the mother who killed her kids to protect them from the devil or whatever. You are delusional, and your comprehension of the soviet union is disgusting. To pretend, to this very day, that the Checka was only trying to PROTECT THE PEOPLE from the evil capitalists is utterly disgusting. You disgust me. But what gets me is that you expect this crap to fly here, of all places.

:rolleyes:

you didn't answer my question and addressed my concerns about our country:

"But if our country's economy falls tomorrow and foreigners come running in trying to buy up our whole country and enslave all of our businesses for the prosperity and future of their countries - what are we going to do??

Imagine dollar crash to the point when it becomes a toilet paper. Bill gates and Microsoft become worth pennies for anyone in China lets say. They will buy it in a split second. And from that point, all the Microsoft earnings will be benefiting China and not US.

And then we are facing another problem. Say, again, our economy crashes. Devastation all over the country, but, since we have just passed a legislation that prevents foreigners from investing in our country - our country becomes a closed society just like communism or despotism, but, since the Federal Reserve has the gold and it is a private entity - it automatically becomes a Despot and our "regime" becomes despotism which is way worse than communism."


Just FYI, I grew up in the Soviet Union. I know the history and how things were. (just so you know)

Communism is a VERY bad thing - don't get me wrong. I do not support it. But, it is a measure that a country has to implement in case of an economic failure to prevent capitalists from another country exploiting a country with a fallen economy. It is either communism or despotism (with communism being the better of 2 evils). But, once again, with our current economic crisis, and with the federal reserve being the private entity that has all the gold, and with recent legislation that does not allow foreign investors to exploit our country during a time of crisis, and president's ability to declare a "public emergency" and "martial law" during an economic crisis, and with the freaking DHS powers, wiretapping, and the rest of the crap - our country is headed straight for DESPOTISM (not even communism which is by far better than despotism.)
 
Socialism is complete crap, as is Communism. I lwould like to quote my favorite book at this point since The author said it better than anyone else.

"So you think that money is the root of all evil?" said Francisco d'Aconia. "Have you ever asked what is the root of money? Money is a tool of exchange, which can't exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them. Money is the material shape of the principle that men who wish to deal with one another must deal by trade and give value for value. Money is not the tool of the moochers, who claim your product by tears, or of the looters, who take it from you by force. Money is made possible only by the men who produce. Is this what you consider evil?

"When you accept money in payment for your effort, you do so only on the conviction that you will exchange it for the product of the effort of others. It is not the moochers or the looters who give value to money. Not an ocean of tears nor all the guns in the world can transform those pieces of paper in your wallet into the bread you will need to survive tomorrow. Those pieces of paper, which should have been gold, are a token of honor – your claim upon the energy of the men who produce. Your wallet is your statement of hope that somewhere in the world around you there are men who will not default on that moral principle which is the root of money. Is this what you consider evil?

"Have you ever looked for the root of production? Take a look at an electric generator and dare tell yourself that it was created by the muscular effort of unthinking brutes. Try to grow a seed of wheat without the knowledge left to you by men who had to discover it for the first time. Try to obtain your food by means of nothing but physical motions – and you'll learn that man's mind is the root of all the goods produced and of all the wealth that has ever existed on earth.

"But you say that money is made by the strong at the expense of the weak? What strength do you mean? It is not the strength of guns or muscles. Wealth is the product of man's capacity to think. Then is money made by the man who invents a motor at the expense of those who did not invent it? Is money made by the intelligent at the expense of the fools? By the able at the expense of the incompetent? By the ambitious at the expense of the lazy? Money is made – before it can be looted or mooched – made by the effort of every honest man, each to the extent of his ability. An honest man is one who knows that he can't consume more than he has produced.

"To trade by means of money is the code of the men of good will. Money rests on the axiom that every man is the owner of his mind and his effort. Money allows no power to prescribe the value of your effort except by the voluntary choice of the man who is willing to trade you his effort in return. Money permits you to obtain for your goods and your labor that which they are worth to the men who buy them, but no more. Money permits no deals except those to mutual benefit by the unforced judgment of the traders. Money demands of you the recognition that men must work for their own benefit, not for their own injury, for their gain, not their loss – the recognition that they are not beasts of burden, born to carry the weight of your misery – that you must offer them values, not wounds – that the common bond among men is not the exchange of suffering, but the exchange of goods. Money demands that you sell, not your weakness to men's stupidity, but your talent to their reason; it demands that you buy, not the shoddiest they offer, but the best your money can find. And when men live by trade – with reason, not force, as their final arbiter – it is the best product that wins, the best performance, then man of best judgment and highest ability – and the degree of a man's productiveness is the degree of his reward. This is the code of existence whose tool and symbol is money. Is this what you consider evil?

"But money is only a tool. It will take you wherever you wish, but it will not replace you as the driver. It will give you the means for the satisfaction of your desires, but it will not provide you with desires. Money is the scourge of the men who attempt to reverse the law of causality – the men who seek to replace the mind by seizing the products of the mind.

"Money will not purchase happiness for the man who has no concept of what he wants; money will not give him a code of values, if he's evaded the knowledge of what to value, and it will not provide him with a purpose, if he's evaded the choice of what to seek. Money will not buy intelligence for the fool, or admiration for the coward, or respect for the incompetent. The man who attempts to purchase the brains of his superiors to serve him, with his money replacing his judgment, ends up by becoming the victim of his inferiors. The men of intelligence desert him, but the cheats and the frauds come flocking to him, drawn by a law which he has not discovered: that no man may be smaller than his money. Is this the reason why you call it evil?

"Only the man who does not need it, is fit to inherit wealth – the man who would make his own fortune no matter where he started. If an heir is equal to his money, it serves him; if not, it destroys him. But you look on and you cry that money corrupted him. Did it? Or did he corrupt his money? Do not envy a worthless heir; his wealth is not yours and you would have done no better with it. Do not think that it should have been distributed among you; loading the world with fifty parasites instead of one would not bring back the dead virtue which was the fortune. Money is a living power that dies without its root. Money will not serve that mind that cannot match it. Is this the reason why you call it evil?

"Money is your means of survival. The verdict which you pronounce upon the source of your livelihood is the verdict you pronounce upon your life. If the source is corrupt, you have damned your own existence. Did you get your money by fraud? By pandering to men's vices or men's stupidity? By catering to fools, in the hope of getting more than your ability deserves? By lowering your standards? By doing work you despise for purchasers you scorn? If so, then your money will not give you a moment's or a penny's worth of joy. Then all the things you buy will become, not a tribute to you, but a reproach; not an achievement, but a reminder of shame. Then you'll scream that money is evil. Evil, because it would not pinch-hit for your self-respect? Evil, because it would not let you enjoy your depravity? Is this the root of your hatred of money?

"Money will always remain an effect and refuse to replace you as the cause. Money is the product of virtue, but it will not give you virtue and it will not redeem your vices. Money will not give you the unearned, neither in matter nor in spirit. Is this the root of your hatred of money?

"Or did you say it's the love of money that's the root of all evil? To love a thing is to know and love its nature. To love money is to know and love the fact that money is the creation of the best power within you, and your passkey to trade your effort for the effort of the best among men. It's the person who would sell his soul for a nickel, who is the loudest in proclaiming his hatred of money – and he has good reason to hate it. The lovers of money are willing to work for it. They know they are able to deserve it.

"Let me give you a tip on a clue to men's characters: the man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it.

"Run for your life from any man who tells you that money is evil. That sentence is the leper's bell of an approaching looter. So long as men live together on earth and need means to deal with one another – their only substitute, if they abandon money, is the muzzle of a gun.

"But money demands of you the highest virtues, if you wish to make it or to keep it. Men who have no courage, pride, or self-esteem, men who have no moral sense of their right to their money and are not willing to defend it as they defend their life, men who apologize for being rich – will not remain rich for long. They are the natural bait for the swarms of looters that stay under rocks for centuries, but come crawling out at the first smell of a man who begs to be forgiven for the guilt of owning wealth. They will hasten to relieve him of the guilt – and of his life, as he deserves.

"Then you will see the rise of the double standard – the men who live by force, yet count on those who live by trade to create the value of their looted money – the men who are the hitchhikers of virtue. In a moral society, these are the criminals, and the statutes are written to protect you against them. But when a society establishes criminals-by-right and looters-by-law – men who use force to seize the wealth of disarmed victims – then money becomes its creators' avenger. Such looters believe it safe to rob defenseless men, once they've passed a law to disarm them. But their loot becomes the magnet for other looters, who get it from them as they got it. Then the race goes, not to the ablest at production, but to those most ruthless at brutality. When force is the standard, the murderer wins over the pickpocket. And then that society vanishes, in a spread of ruins and slaughter.

"Do you wish to know whether that day is coming? Watch money. Money is the barometer of a society's virtue. When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion – when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing – when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors – when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don't protect you against them, but protect them against you – when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice – you may know that your society is doomed. Money is so noble a medium that it does not compete with guns and it does not make terms with brutality. It will not permit a country to survive as half-property, half-loot.

"Whenever destroyers appear among men, they start by destroying money, for money is men's protection and the base of a moral existence. Destroyers seize gold and leave to its owners a counterfeit pile of paper. This kills all objective standards and delivers men into the arbitrary power of an arbitrary setter of values. Gold was an objective value, an equivalent of wealth produced. Paper is a mortgage on wealth that does not exist, backed by a gun aimed at those who are expected to produce it. Paper is a check drawn by legal looters upon an account which is not theirs: upon the virtue of the victims. Watch for the day when it becomes, marked: 'Account overdrawn.'

"When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral. Do not expect them to produce, when production is punished and looting rewarded. Do not ask, 'Who is destroying the world?' You are.

"You stand in the midst of the greatest achievements of the greatest productive civilization and you wonder why it's crumbling around you, while you're damning its life-blood – money. You look upon money as the savages did before you, and you wonder why the jungle is creeping back to the edge of your cities. Throughout men's history, money was always seized by looters of one brand or another, but whose method remained the same: to seize wealth by force and to keep the producers bound, demeaned, defamed, deprived of honor. That phrase about the evil of money, which you mouth with such righteous recklessness, comes from a time when wealth was produced by the labor of slaves – slaves who repeated the motions once discovered by somebody's mind and left unimproved for centuries. So long as production was ruled by force, and wealth was obtained by conquest, there was little to conquer. Yet through all the centuries of stagnation and starvation, men exalted the looters, as aristocrats of the sword, as aristocrats of birth, as aristocrats of the bureau, and despised the producers, as slaves, as traders, as shopkeepers – as industrialists.

"To the glory of mankind, there was, for the first and only time in history, a country of money – and I have no higher, more reverent tribute to pay to America, for this means: a country of reason, justice, freedom, production, achievement. For the first time, man's mind and money were set free, and there were no fortunes-by-conquest, but only fortunes-by-work, and instead of swordsmen and slaves, there appeared the real maker of wealth, the greatest worker, the highest type of human being – the self-made man – the American industrialist.

"If you ask me to name the proudest distinction of Americans, I would choose – because it contains all the others – the fact that they were the people who created the phrase 'to make money'. No other language or nation had ever used these words before; men had always thought of wealth as a static quantity – to be seized, begged, inherited, shared, looted, or obtained as a favor. Americans were the first to understand that wealth has to be created. The words 'to make money' hold the essence of human morality.

"Yet these were the words for which Americans were denounced by the rotted cultures of the looters' continents. Now the looters' credo has brought you to regard your proudest achievements as a hallmark of shame, your prosperity as guilt, your greatest men, the industrialists, as blackguards, and your magnificent factories as the product and property of muscular labor, the labor of whip-driven slaves, like the pyramids of Egypt. The rotter who simpers that he sees no difference between the power of the dollar and the power of the whip, ought to learn the difference on his own hide – as, I think, he will.

"Until and unless you discover that money is the root of all good, you ask for your own destruction. When money ceases to be the tool by which men deal with one another, then men become the tools of men. Blood, whips and guns – or dollars. Take your choice – there is no other – and your time is running out."
 
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