I hope McCain wins.

[EndTheFed]

This. We told them so. they scoffed. Now its time to watch them get their asses kicked. In the face of a giant socialist gun grabbing war mongering civil rights stomping beast, maybe, finally, the republican party will come around BACK to it's core principles. The Bush idiots are, well, idiots, and will do whatever they are told, as long as its against them damn libruls. IF McCain wins, they will pat themselves on the back, and tell themselves they were right all along. If he loses, the neocon agenda will lose credibility as viable.

McCain was the jackass that called Ron Paul, and anybody else that doesn't toe the neocon agenda a Nazi appeaser.

P.S. conservative judges are assholes. They always support the police, always give the police more power, always are sympathetic to the executive, and have time and time again have shown absolute disdain for civil rights, especially when it comes to the 4th amendment. If the 4th were rocksolid, you could own grenade launchers, and there wouldn't be a damn thing anybody could do about it, if you stored and kept them responsibly.

And I am writing in Ron Paul. That's all there is to it.

Mmm full of shit...

 

[Andrew-Austin]

Stop bump spamming this thread, you have completely failed to convince anyone of anything.

 

[EndTheFed]

Stop bump spamming this thread, you have completely failed to convince anyone of anything.

I am responding to other posts... who are you to tell me to quit?

 

[EndTheFed]

Hmmm Do I hear crickets.....

 

[DAFTEK]

Stop bump spamming this thread, you have completely failed to convince anyone of anything.

+1

 

[EndTheFed]

+1

And who might you be?

 

[Ben2008]

I hope McCain wins, if for no other reason than that he is of a different party than that which dominates Congress, in order to have some gridlock.

With Obama being a socialist and his persuasive skills, and a Democratically controlled Congress, there will be little to stop a socialist revolution in this country. You better hope McCain wins or there will be no turning back in our lifetimes. If Obama wins, you might as well kiss pretty much everything the Ron Paul Revolution wanted to achieve goodbye forever.

I'm the original poster of this thread. I just wanted to report that Dr. Paul, on CNN this morning, said the same thing, that it would be better for McCain to win in order to have opposing parties in control Congress on the Executive and that Obama winning would be a "disaster." Here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_yjImzwuIU

 

[EndTheFed]

I'm the original poster of this thread. I just wanted to report that Dr. Paul, on CNN this morning, said the same thing, that it would be better for McCain to win in order to have opposing parties in control Congress on the Executive and that Obama winning would be a "disaster." Here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_yjImzwuIU

Well that is wonderful.... Hey tones... take a look...

 

[libertarian4321]

I'm not voting for Barack because he promotes and will implement socialist ideas. It has NOTHING to do with him being black.

Thats not what you said. You did not make the "socialist" argument, you made the "scary terrorist Muslim" argument, which is thinly veiled code for "don't vote for the black guy with the un American sounding name."

You make intelligent, rational arguments, and I'll treat you like an intelligent, rational person.

You make the kind of "arguments" that I'd expect from an uneducated, unintelligent racist jerk, and I'll treat you like a uneducated, unintelligent racist jerk.

Fair enough?

 

[EndTheFed]

Thats not what you said. You did not make the "socialist" argument, you made the "scary terrorist Muslim" argument, which is thinly veiled code for "don't vote for the black guy with the un American sounding name."

You make intelligent, rational arguments, and I'll treat you like an intelligent, rational person.

You make the kind of "arguments" that I'd expect from an uneducated, unintelligent racist jerk, and I'll treat you like a uneducated, unintelligent racist jerk.

Fair enough?

You are full of shit... I hav NO feelingsa about dont vote fo the black guy... that is such a stupid argument on your part.

 

[moostraks]

Paul also said it was a pathetic argument for McCain....

Not to mention he said prior to this comment with both candidates voting for the bailout you could not trust either one to do what is right for the monetary system (irregardless of their platform stances).

Voting for someone ignoring their shortcomings merely because you fear the other party is insanity because you fail to reasonably see what the alternative may bring in pain and suffering.

 

[moostraks]

Because RP is not in the race now and your choice in Mccain OR obama (the overt socialist)

FALSE

There are more than two choices. Don't care if you don't like it...

 

[cheapseats]

Paul also said it was a pathetic argument for McCain....

It IS a pathetic argument, both for McCain and for us, but it is nevertheless a VALID argument.

John McCain is more likely to produce more gridlock. Viewed against the possibility of sky's-the-limit spending between a sympathetic All Inequities Can Be Corrected Via Intervention Congress and President, milquetoast maverick John McCain gains traction as the lesser of two evils.

More than that, setting aside the arguments about which ideology spends more on what, there is the OBVIOUSNESS that our elected officials are in way over their heads. When people don't know what they're doing, doing nothing is a game plan.

 

[moostraks]

Yea... he is just a socialist, terrorist sympothizer, Muslin sympothizer and Black supremesist.

Socialist : "Spread the wealth"
Terrorist Sypothizer : ayers
Muslin Sympothizer : Odinga
Black supremesist: Jeromiah Wright (and black liberation theology)

Wow...do you live and breath fox news garbage...or write it????

(overlooking your horrible grasp of the English language)

Why do we think you are a neo-con FOX news disinformation agent???

 

[moostraks]

It IS a pathetic argument, both for McCain and for us, but it is nevertheless a VALID argument.

John McCain is more likely to produce more gridlock. Viewed against the possibility of sky's-the-limit spending between a sympathetic All Inequities Can Be Corrected Via Intervention Congress and President, milquetoast maverick John McCain gains traction as the lesser of two evils.

More than that, setting aside the arguments about which ideology spends more on what, there is the OBVIOUSNESS that our elected officials are in way over their heads. When people don't know what they're doing, doing nothing is a game plan.

Well, while he is doing nothing overtly with the economy he will be covertly squandering large sums of money fighting perpetual wars. Which was Paul's pro-economic observation for Obama,btw....(NO, not an Obama supporter just making the case there was more to this interview than what is being talked up....)McCain was given the nod for having a better game plan (by Paul) but there is no trust to voting for either one on the basis of economics because they proved their loyaltiess with their bailout vote....

 

[cheapseats]

Well, while he is doing nothing overtly with the economy he will be covertly squandering large sums of money fighting perpetual wars. Which was Paul's pro-economic observation for Obama,btw....(NO, not an Obama supporter just making the case there was more to this interview than what is being talked up....)McCain was given the nod for having a better game plan (by Paul) but there is no trust to voting for either one on the basis of economics because they proved their loyaltiess with their bailout vote....

There is no reason to trust either one of them. Both have already proven themselves to be not men of their words.

Both skipped the first bailout vote...unmitigated cowardice. Both voted, 'yay, reward the Bad Guys' when pressed...and that's just in the past month.

The question is whether one or the other can be relied upon to do less damage.

McCain COULD do more damage, with his hot-headed penchant for armed address of seemingly everything...and he WOULD, left to his own devices. The Truth is, if the Americans mean to tell the American government that they will no longer support War As Policy, they will have to hit the streets to bring the berg of Washington itself into gridlock but it CAN be done. Demonstrations, tax revolts, civil disobedience. The majority of Americans are not on board with War As Stimulus Plan. (It would not be a bad idea for anyone looking for day labor to take a spin past the local recruitment office. Recruits are up over last year, owing to unemployment.

By contrast, if the spendingest Congress of all time hooks up with the spendingest President of all time, what's to deter them? The Many receive and want to continue to receive the support of the Few. I envision a Funding Festival.

 

[DAFTEK]

And who might you be?

Unlike you, I'm a Ron Paul supporter who will never sell out to Obama or McCain....

 

[bunklocoempire]

Scare tactics work on most "conversatives" but they don't work on people around here. Scare tactics were used to get us into Iraq. They were used to pass the bailout. They are used for *everything.*

I've had enough Chicken Little. We've got a 2nd Amendment which has survived for centuries. We're supposed to vote for a prick because we're supposed to be afraid our guns will be confiscated?!

I just laugh man. You've got to try a little harder to scare me.

Darn straight anotherone. I say bring on Obama, and a dem congress, and left judges, let's get this crap over with allready.

If any are scared to NOT vote 3rd party or bust, their probably not willing to even exercise the 2nd Amendment.

If any are scared their guns might be confiscated it means tyranny is allready here.

If any are scared their guns might be confiscated, well, they don't understand what the 2nd Amendment is for.

Bunkloco

 

[Truth Warrior]

"No Matter Who Wins an Election, You STILL Lose"

 

[moostraks]

There is no reason to trust either one of them. Both have already proven themselves to be not men of their words.

Both skipped the first bailout vote...unmitigated cowardice. Both voted, 'yay, reward the Bad Guys' when pressed...and that's just in the past month.

The question is whether one or the other can be relied upon to do less damage.

McCain COULD do more damage, with his hot-headed penchant for armed address of seemingly everything...and he WOULD, left to his own devices. The Truth is, if the Americans mean to tell the American government that they will no longer support War As Policy, they will have to hit the streets to bring the berg of Washington itself into gridlock but it CAN be done. Demonstrations, tax revolts, civil disobedience. The majority of Americans are not on board with War As Stimulus Plan. (It would not be a bad idea for anyone looking for day labor to take a spin past the local recruitment office. Recruits are up over last year, owing to unemployment.

By contrast, if the spendingest Congress of all time hooks up with the spendingest President of all time, what's to deter them? The Many receive and want to continue to receive the support of the Few. I envision a Funding Festival.

People arrested for protesting against government policies at the conventions was to establish a hardline attitude towards dissent. The whole concept of the free speech zones is in and of itself offensive to an Americans right to free speech. (You may have it here but not here, wth??) Yet we have continued to allow them to tighten the noose with little if any repercussions. A large enough protest to cause dc gridlock seems highly unlikely, especially with the DHS.

I don't disagree with your analysis here for the most part, but I think McCain is being seen as a lesser evil when it comes to economics. You can only draw that conclusion if you fail to acknowledge his foreign policy and our incapacity to cause any effect currently upon government policy. The draw of our military empire upon tax payer dollars has to be realized and McCain has no interest in retreating.(Not that Obama has a much better foreign policy especially when you calculate his civil service concepts as an military-esque extension) Once again neither can be trusted....So hand grenade or shot gun? Which death is preferable??

If we continue to enable the system by continuing to vote for the lesser evil, because we fear, rather than challenging the system to represent the will of the people we will continue to get candidates that don't represent us. Every time we buy into the msm concept of s/he cannot win and vote within the 2 party false dichotomy because we fear the lesser of two evils, we fulfill their prophecy. I. for one, and ready to break free of their imposed choices.