I hope McCain wins.

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People arrested for protesting against government policies at the conventions was to establish a hardline attitude towards dissent.

Obama's people not only had anti-war protestors arrested from his Iowa Caucuses Campaign Deal-Making Headquarters, they compelled journalists outside into single-digit temperatures so they could not witness the arrests.

The whole concept of the free speech zones is in and of itself offensive to an Americans right to free speech. (You may have it here but not here, wth??)

Absolutely, absolutely...they add insult to injury without the slightest fear of reprisal. They are behaving like Assholes and Bullies and the People react by lamenting, "Wow, they are really behaving like Assholes and Bullies."

Yet we have continued to allow them to tighten the noose with little if any repercussions.

I will tell you this. For as unthinkable as leaving my country was only a few years ago, if my countrymen will not stand up, it will be easier for knowing that I leave the company of unprincipled cowards.

I shall look through my files for a letter I wrote to some pampered professor who had written a piece entitled something like, "I'd Rather Stand With Obama And Lose." I posited, and I still believe, that a certain amount of support for Obama is steeped in, 'Please don't hurt us! Look how we've Changed. We've elected a brown-skinned person with a name like yours.'

A large enough protest to cause dc gridlock seems highly unlikely, especially with the DHS.

Send the nation's homeless population. Clean 'em up enough to pass muster at boarding...they'll need jacket/shoes et al for the coming winter, and a few bucks to eat at convenience stores where the buses re-fuel...and equip them with signs that read:

GREEDY THIEVING BASTARDS
FEED & HOUSE YOUR PEOPLE

They will have to be assured that, if panhandling in the vicinity of Capitol Hill isn't lucrative...which defies all evidence...Friends of Liberty will make the occasional delivery of food/blankets etc. Some of them are seasoned travelers...they are obliged to hop rails every X number of months, to collect welfare from a different state.

I don't disagree with your analysis here for the most part, but I think McCain is being seen as a lesser evil when it comes to economics.

COMBINED, they haven't even mastery of Econ 101.

You can only draw that conclusion if you fail to acknowledge his foreign policy and our incapacity to cause any effect currently upon government policy.

I most certainly do not fail to acknowledge his foreign policy reactions and ambitions. But I absolutely DO, not fail, REFUSE to acknowledge our incapacity to effect any current impact on government policy.

The draw of our military empire upon tax payer dollars has to be realized...

You bet. Between that bullshit and the bailout bullshit, we could have sensible nationalization of the VERY FEW market sectors that bear directly on human survival and moral decency...notably, healthcare and the "natural" monopolies i.e. energy and telecommunications.

I know that's heretical to Libertarians but if you have one Christian bone in your body, you know that some aspects of Life are not meant to be for-profit schemes. Others do not lend themselves to efficient competition...the superstructures are too vast and capital-intensive to permit of newcomers.

and McCain has no interest in retreating.

None whatever. War is in his blood, like radicalism is in Obama's blood.

(Not that Obama has a much better foreign policy especially when you calculate his civil service concepts as an military-esque extension)

PLUS, he's gettin' pretty casual about sending troops, instead, to Afghanistan. Is the cost of doing business any cheaper there?

But they flirt with necessity of a Draft.

Opposition Elements might do the nation and a kid a favor by becoming as friendly and as familiar as the recruitment officers in the neighborhoods surrounding recruitment offices. Unemployment and crap prospects are liable to up the enlistment rate, unless real people with real faces get in the faces of would-be enlistees and have a word with them...not to pressure them to change their minds, but to encourage them to think it through.

Once again neither can be trusted....So hand grenade or shot gun? Which death is preferable??

Wrote something about that, too. To quote Henry Paulson, which is not something I often have cause to do, "It's a difference without a distinction." If they were bland, it would be the choice between jello and pudding. But they're NOT bland. They are Extremists, both of them.

Extremism, tensely juxtaposed with Absence of Ethics, lies at the root of so many of our woes.

If we continue to enable the system by continuing to vote for the lesser evil, because we fear, rather than challenging the system to represent the will of the people we will continue to get candidates that don't represent us.

Yep.

I cannot, for the life of me, figure out why all the people who know that McCain is bad and Obama is worse, and all the people who think it's the other way around, and all the people who think its a dead heat for Bad Guy, won't quickly and determinedly come together...like union membership before a strike vote...to hammer out consensus on ANOTHER alternative party ticket that we will DEMAND be included on freshly printed ballots. People who had enough time on their hands to vote early will not be unduly burdened by having to vote again. Plus, I'd like to know how many of those early ballots come from ACORN inductees.

Every time we buy into the msm concept

We hang onto their every opinion, even as we berate them for being biased mercenaries. We pat ourselves on the back for recognizing Cognitive Dissonance, then we incorporate the bogus premise.

of s/he cannot win and vote within the 2 party false dichotomy because we fear the lesser of two evils, we fulfill their prophecy.

The Ruling Elite plays the Peasantry as surely as Neoconservatives play Congress.

I. for one, and ready to break free of their imposed choices.

I am as ready, willing and able as I will ever be. I will not become happier, healthier or holier by capitulating to Might Makes Right.

 

[krazy kaju]

Obama is ten times worse than McCain. I just hope that if Obama wins he won't pull some FDR-propaganda bullshit out of his ass.

 

[NewEnd]

Obama is ten times worse than McCain. I just hope that if Obama wins he won't pull some FDR-propaganda bullshit out of his ass.

ten times?



I think Obama is about 2% better than McCain, and 4% better than Hillary.

 

[moostraks]

Obama's people not only had anti-war protestors arrested from his Iowa Caucuses Campaign Deal-Making Headquarters, they compelled journalists outside into single-digit temperatures so they could not witness the arrests.

Didn't know about this one. Doesn't surprise me. My sister is having a huge blowup with their campaign regarding people with disabilities. She's an advocate, and they have no respect from them either unless they can manipulate them.

Absolutely, absolutely...they add insult to injury without the slightest fear of reprisal. They are behaving like Assholes and Bullies and the People react by lamenting, "Wow, they are really behaving like Assholes and Bullies."

Wonder if its fear of reprisals or preoccupation with other matters? With many people out of work some matters seem more pressing when you feel that approaching those in office seems ineffective. I wish there would be legitimate backlash at the polls but my faith in polling machines is at an all time low...

I will tell you this. For as unthinkable as leaving my country was only a few years ago, if my countrymen will not stand up, it will be easier for knowing that I leave the company of unprincipled cowards.

Sadly the alternative would be to move where? Many here agree with your sentiment.

I shall look through my files for a letter I wrote to some pampered professor who had written a piece entitled something like, "I'd Rather Stand With Obama And Lose." I posited, and I still believe, that a certain amount of support for Obama is steeped in, 'Please don't hurt us! Look how we've Changed. We've elected a brown-skinned person with a name like yours.'

Much the same as some want to elect women (thinking of Palin here or Hilary for that matter) merely for their gender.Such as men who want to seem as if they are being open-minded when they don't really agree with the person's aspirations for the nation? It is a sad commentary on the voting public's mentality that leaves the qualified behind and promotes someone merely for a non-consequential factor. Choosing leadership based on surface factors is indicative of how superficial we have become as a society.

Send the nation's homeless population. Clean 'em up enough to pass muster at boarding...they'll need jacket/shoes et al for the coming winter, and a few bucks to eat at convenience stores where the buses re-fuel...and equip them with signs that read:

GREEDY THIEVING BASTARDS
FEED & HOUSE YOUR PEOPLE

They will have to be assured that, if panhandling in the vicinity of Capitol Hill isn't lucrative...which defies all evidence...Friends of Liberty will make the occasional delivery of food/blankets etc. Some of them are seasoned travelers...they are obliged to hop rails every X number of months, to collect welfare from a different state.

COMBINED, they haven't even mastery of Econ 101.

I most certainly do not fail to acknowledge his foreign policy reactions and ambitions. But I absolutely DO, not fail, REFUSE to acknowledge our incapacity to effect any current impact on government policy.

You have more optimism than I...However a slow drip of water wears away mountains and I am known to be persistent. I feel the process is slower than the liberties necessary which are being stripped from us. Refering to measures such as free speech and the right to assemble without fear of repercussions for example. We are at a teetering point of being able to effect a change without great efforts being undertaken, at great risk, I might add.

You bet. Between that bullshit and the bailout bullshit, we could have sensible nationalization of the VERY FEW market sectors that bear directly on human survival and moral decency...notably, healthcare and the "natural" monopolies i.e. energy and telecommunications.

I know that's heretical to Libertarians but if you have one Christian bone in your body, you know that some aspects of Life are not meant to be for-profit schemes. Others do not lend themselves to efficient competition...the superstructures are too vast and capital-intensive to permit of newcomers.

Interesting. My argument has been why many will argue to educate every one but leave healthcare to the individual to retain at whatever measure necessary. Not for nationalization of any sector, but if one were to be chosen to be a necessary why do we educate by government mandate because we care about the intelligence of our society but not the health of our society? I think that it is because many benefit by the daycare aspect of public education while healthcare can be neglected until an emergency occurs and by then it is too late...

None whatever. War is in his blood, like radicalism is in Obama's blood.

PLUS, he's gettin' pretty casual about sending troops, instead, to Afghanistan. Is the cost of doing business any cheaper there?

But they flirt with necessity of a Draft.

Opposition Elements might do the nation and a kid a favor by becoming as friendly and as familiar as the recruitment officers in the neighborhoods surrounding recruitment offices. Unemployment and crap prospects are liable to up the enlistment rate, unless real people with real faces get in the faces of would-be enlistees and have a word with them...not to pressure them to change their minds, but to encourage them to think it through.

It is the level of in your face propaganda that is in so many children's lives. Public school, scouts, and many churches shove the idea that an american sacrifices his life for his country neglecting to explain the truth behind what drives us into war (that being in large part economics,imho.) Add to that the dying state of the church's stance on non-resistance coupled with the uprising of prosperity gospel and a program of entitlement for youth and you have an ugly state for society yet to be realized. We think its bad now, I think we ain't seen nothin' yet!!!

I posted an article about a week ago on how they said that enlistments are up with the bad economy so many bonuses are becoming unnecessary. What a mighty fine perk for the government. Desperation driving people to aid in wars of preemptive aggression. We need to keep that capital flowing for GE and the likes...

Wrote something about that, too. To quote Henry Paulson, which is not something I often have cause to do, "It's a difference without a distinction." If they were bland, it would be the choice between jello and pudding. But they're NOT bland. They are Extremists, both of them.

Extremism, tensely juxtaposed with Absence of Ethics, lies at the root of so many of our woes.

Yet many believe that those who refuse to cooperate with this charade are the extremists worthy of a visit from DHS.

Yep.

I cannot, for the life of me, figure out why all the people who know that McCain is bad and Obama is worse, and all the people who think it's the other way around, and all the people who think its a dead heat for Bad Guy, won't quickly and determinedly come together...like union membership before a strike vote...to hammer out consensus on ANOTHER alternative party ticket that we will DEMAND be included on freshly printed ballots. People who had enough time on their hands to vote early will not be unduly burdened by having to vote again. Plus, I'd like to know how many of those early ballots come from ACORN inductees.

ABSOLUTELY! Except I have very little faith in the current voting arrangement after my foray into becoming a delegate. Getting rid of electronic voting or allowing a receipt of vote might go a long ways to rectify that issue.

We hang onto their every opinion, even as we berate them for being biased mercenaries. We pat ourselves on the back for recognizing Cognitive Dissonance, then we incorporate the bogus premise.

The Ruling Elite plays the Peasantry as surely as Neoconservatives play Congress.

I am as ready, willing and able as I will ever be. I will not become happier, healthier or holier by capitulating to Might Makes Right.

I admire your passion. You seem to have a pretty accurate view on the issue of msm. They play us like a fiddle as we believe we are achieving some effect by their acknowledgement of our existence. However, they work the agenda of those who pay their salaries and are merely entertainment venues now. Buttress yourself to tptb corrupt tactics as you will be surprised with the visciousness of attacks which come from a group that sorely detests being challenged....(I can sadly attest to this by experience...)

 

[nodope0695]

I vow to never vote for McPalin.