I don't like Religion in political parties

[Dorfsmith]

Ah, how about REALITY. Freedom of speech is being severely curtailed right now, porn on the other hand is growing.

Correlation is not causation. To suggest the banning of porn, which is such a fucking insanely stupid issue to even bother with in light of what's going on around us, is going to cause a ban on art of free speech is ludicrous.

It seems like you just don't like people with alternate word views to your own and want to demonize it.

Show me one society who banned porn and didn't attack art next? As an artist and a collector of nude art I feel strongly about the issue.

 

[RonPaulVolunteer]

Deadtosin,

People have differing opinions, is there something morally wrong with that?

No, but YOU'RE the one that seems to think that way.

We ALL have a worldview. You can call the Christian world view "religious", but it's just a worldview. You have a world view, or a "religion" too, you just don't use the same terminology, but it's the same damn thing.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

porn is not evil!

Government prohibition usually makes problems worse.

+1 ZILLION!! I did a research project about 'pornography' once. I don't mind it at all, as long as it doesn't infringe on others' rights-who dislike porn and don't wish to see it. 'Consumers' of entertainment should bear the responsibility of learning about what they are going to watch/consume. GROW UP, you anti-porn nazis out there!

Good book on this subject-"Defending Pornography"

 

[DrSpock]

True. That's why I have not completely written Baldwin off yet. I'm sure I'll be undecided until I actually vote.

I am still undecided as well. It is a difficult choice to make, trying to determine which vote will be the most effective.

We live under an ancient Chinese curse, "May you live in interesting times".

 

[RonPaulVolunteer]

Show me one society who banned porn and didn't attack art next? As an artist and a collector of nude art I feel strongly about the issue.

You don't understand the term, correlation is not causation, do you. I suggest you look it up and come back with a better argument.

 

[BeFranklin]

The idea of a personal relationship with God, specifically as the puratians, baptists, and other protestant groups believed in, flied in the face of the idea of a divine rights of kings and every other sort of authoritarian philosophy. You are a child of the Almighty God. You have a direct personal relationship with him. You are all brothers and sisters in Christ.

What more authority is there then that? That is very liberating, and essentially breaks all man-made bonds of authority.

John 8:31-32
31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

 

[RonPaulVolunteer]

The idea of a personal relationship with God, specifically as the puratians, baptists, and other protestant groups believed in, flied in the face of the idea of a de-vine rights of kings and every other sort of authoritarian philosophy. You are a child of the Almighty God. You have a direct personal relationship with him. You are all brothers and sisters in Christ.

What more authority is there then that? That is very liberating, and essentially breaks all man-made bonds of authority.

John 8:31-32
31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Now that's something anyone can say amen to.

 

[nbhadja]

Porn is a trickey subject. It shouldn't be banned but I wouldn't want my children looking at it online until they are of legal age. Youtube seems to have more and more porn.

If youtube wants to show porn they should be allowed to, and if cable wants to show porn then they should be allowed to.
Freedom rules!

 

[BeFranklin]

Do you know which one's didn't? I'd like to learn more about them.

You should study Benjamin Franklin. Benjamin Franklin is sometimes used as an example of a founder who was a free thinker, but actually, he was a free thinker in his 20s. When he became more mature, he regretted it (also mentioned in his autobiography), and had a wonderful faith. By wonderful, I mean I love his quotes, and can see who he was by them.

You should study Benjamin Franklin if for no other reason to learn a little about why its so important for the establishment to claim that the founders weren't Christian when they were. Benjamin Franklin specifically is interesting as an example.

 

[nbhadja]

Sorry, but reality proves you wrong. VERY wrong.

But there is nothing morally wrong with porn in my eyes so the government should not ban porn just because some people hate it.
I hate religion, so should I try to get the government to ban religion?

Banning porn= Against freedom
With that said I support Baldwin, I am just making a point.

 

[DeadtoSin]

Deadtosin,

People have differing opinions, is there something morally wrong with that?

You have the worst logic of any RP poster I've seen. You called someone Hagee because they believed that religion has a place in political parties. Well, I'll tell you something. If your beliefs about the world can't inform your political leanings then you don't have any beliefs, or they are incredibly shallow. That includes your belief in no God, or no belief in God or whichever type of atheist you classify yourself as.

The problem isn't with differing opinions. The problem is with you using the party to attack the candidate. That is the most ignorant backwards thing I've seen on these forums and it enrages me. If someone said they weren't voting for McCain based on the GOP platform I'd be furious. You listen to the position of the candidate, because the candidate isn't the party.

Ron Paul isn't a warmongering sleazeball. Ron Paul is a good man. When you say Chuck Baldwin must want to ban pornography because the Constitution Party does, then you are being a complete fool. Perhaps Baldwin does want to ban it, I haven't researched his position on that. Don't use the Constitution Party's platform to base your opinion on it though. They aren't the same, and it is a complete logical fallacy.

Oh well, you seem to be great at twisting things, so we'll see how you twist this one.

 

[BarryDonegan]

IMO, with third parties you should vote for the party platform, not the candidate. in the end, since they are not winning this year, it will be the party platform that gets the metrics of whatever percentage shows out to vote. the party itself will be empowered in the future, where the candidate itself will no longer be on the ticket.

thats the main reason why I can't personally vote for a constitution party candidate right now. too much theocratic stuff sitting right there on the front page of their website.

 

[DeadtoSin]

A person must have an awful shallow beliefs/non-beliefs if their view of the entire world can't inform their thinking.

 

[revolutionary8]

The idea of a personal relationship with God, specifically as the puratians, baptists, and other protestant groups believed in, flied in the face of the idea of a de-vine rights of kings and every other sort of authoritarian philosophy. You are a child of the Almighty God. You have a direct personal relationship with him. You are all brothers and sisters in Christ.

What more authority is there then that? That is very liberating, and essentially breaks all man-made bonds of authority.

John 8:31-32
31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Amen. Thanks Ben.

You should study Benjamin Franklin if for no other reason to learn a little about why its so important for the establishment to claim that the founders weren't Christian when they were. Benjamin Franklin specifically is interesting as an example.

Absolutely Ben. I am not a "religious" person, but I do study our Founders, and I do respect, love and admire our Creator.

 

[BarryDonegan]

I, personally, don't believe that chuck baldwin wants to ban pornography. but, chuck baldin will not be POTUS, and he will not be the CP candidate in every election in the future. in my calculations, a vote for the CP this year will be viewed at some point in the future as a vote for its total platform, which includes stuff like banning pornography.

in order to win the vote of voters like myself, they need to get the theocratic junk off of their website, and out of their platform.

a candidate can worship whatever they want and get my vote. they can worship god 20 hours a day, speaking in tongues, they can worship a billion gods, or no god, or whatever they want to do with their time, but when they show up to legislate, execute, or judge, they better be defending liberties and freedoms with every second they spend serving the public.

any good man of God leaves the judging of your personal life to the man upstairs.

 

[Micah Dardar]

I don't think that prohibition of anything can alter the laws of supply and demand

 

[idiom]

I could post a picture that looks exceedingly similar RPV, but it would get me banned an probably arrested.

Put yeah you're right, some porn is art and that makes masturbating to it holy.

My beloved put in his hand by the hole of the door, and my bowels were moved for him. I rose up to open to my beloved; and my hands dropped with myrrh, and my fingers with sweet smelling myrrh, upon the handles of the lock.

Well that and way more is in the Bible.

 

[RonPaulVolunteer]

I think many of you miss the point about porn.

When you look at the industry, you'll find a handful of STARS that seem to be very happy. Unless they have been out of the industry, have no plans to go back into it, and then you discover the sordid details and reality of an industry that preys on shallow people with low self esteem and takes advantage of them for as long as it can.

Is the 'freedom' of the individual not more important then your freedom to view porn? Is your concern simply with your rights, and say nothing of your responsibilities?

As Ron Paul has said many times, with great freedom comes great responsibility.

Remember, Liberty, is not, License.

 

[Micah Dardar]

I don't like porn, but people should be free to make bad decisions if they choose to.

 

[RonPaulVolunteer]

I could post a picture that looks exceedingly similar RPV, but it would get me banned an probably arrested.

Put yeah you're right, some porn is art and that makes masturbating to it holy.



Well that and way more is in the Bible.

And Jewish Boys are not permitted to read Song of Solomon for good reason. Your argument doesn't really hold water.