I don't know what to do, I want to act...

[pinkmandy]

And my natural response is predictable. Move to NH, work with the Freestate Project. We are more powerful together than we are spread out. If just a small portion of RP supporters across the country move to NH we can change the country starting right there. They CAN'T ignore us when we run a state and others start copying us. Plus we'll be safer together.

www.freestateproject.org

 

[mcgraw_wv]

OT, but the historical evidence for Jesus is insurmountable.

There is a HUGE amount of evidence that the Sun exists... It's quite amazing, Jesus does exist, and we all see him everyday, except those Paulites that rarely leave their PC

 

[coffeewithchess]

And my natural response is predictable. Move to NH, work with the Freestate Project. We are more powerful together than we are spread out. If just a small portion of RP supporters across the country move to NH we can change the country starting right there. They CAN'T ignore us when we run a state and others start copying us. Plus we'll be safer together.

www.freestateproject.org

John McCain placed first in the New Hampshire primary...

 

[mcgraw_wv]

So not only Religion, The Federal Reserve, the Educational system, the Media, everything is geared to distract you and to condition you to a certain way of thinking...

Which is why it is so hard to talk to people about what makes them truely happy... it always goes back to some kind of materialistic thing... They are programmed to gather worthless crap and to compete with your neighbor.

Why MUST we compete?

"Can't we all just get along" ;p

 

[Akus]

So guys, I just watched Zeitgeist again, and I was mad that teh 9/11 truther's were hurting Ron Paul's campaign. But man, it's true... We have been tricked for so long in order to remove our individuality and power as people.

I'm frustrated, this is not a world I want to live in, of course I'm not going to elect to leave it any time soon, but my goodness, what do we do.

I hoped so hard for a Paul Revolution, we need it so bad... It isn't going to happen how I intially thought.

What now? What can we do, there has to be a way to fight this misinformation, this guise that has been perpetrated through out history. From religon to 9/11 and more and more to come, whatever it takes to keep us working for a never achievable goal.

I want to return to a life where the Earth is home, and we the people are part of it, and we live in freedom and happiness, where we do not have to chase the dollar, a fake idol ready to suplant Jesus as the next authority figure for the masses to follow blindly.

This is why the movement must continue, it must grow, and we must take down the international banking system, the monetary monarchies that run this world, that create an agenda that simply pits me vs you in order to distract me from what is real to the soul.

I'm so frustrated... what do we do?

we can still win at the convention, what are you talking about, this is not over yet, at all.

 

[mcgraw_wv]

And my natural response is predictable. Move to NH, work with the Freestate Project. We are more powerful together than we are spread out. If just a small portion of RP supporters across the country move to NH we can change the country starting right there. They CAN'T ignore us when we run a state and others start copying us. Plus we'll be safer together.

www.freestateproject.org

Yeah, I just do not want to live there, Family, weather, and everything I like is here in Florida.

Does NH have a state income tax?

 

[nullvalu]

Christians have faith...we admit that. Creation is proof of something...I don't think the world came into being by randomness without a Creator.

That is your opinion. Honestly, I don't believe in the big bang. But, to me, the idea that some invisible entity created the universe in 7 days is even more absurd. Oh, and the Earth is much older than 6,000 years. That is a fact.

 

[mcgraw_wv]

we can still win at the convention, what are you talking about, this is not over yet, at all.

We can is right, it implies a chance. We do have a chance, but it would take a miracle... and based on the 5% results everywhere, I would first put money that the people at the convention will request Romney to receive all the delegates rather than Paul getting them by default...

It's time to explore other avenues, while we pursue the convention.

 

[coffeewithchess]

That is your opinion. Honestly, I don't believe in the big bang. But, to me, the idea that some invisible entity created the universe in 7 days is even more absurd. Oh, and the Earth is much older than 6,000 years. That is a fact.

How much older than 6,000 years? Fact based on what? The geologic column?

 

[nullvalu]

How much older than 6,000 years? Fact based on what? The geologic column?

You really don't want to argue that, do you?

 

[coffeewithchess]

You really don't want to argue that, do you?

LOL, I'm asking for the proof.

 

[mcgraw_wv]

That is your opinion. Honestly, I don't believe in the big bang. But, to me, the idea that some invisible entity created the universe in 7 days is even more absurd. Oh, and the Earth is much older than 6,000 years. That is a fact.

I love the Idea of God is the Big Bang... he created the math, the physics for all is created... He created the idea that matter attracts other matter, and that denser materials can create heat, and gather close to each other for the formations of stars and planets... God is the father of the Sun... He created the law, and the rule of gravity...

Why can't God be that spark that started it all? Why must it all just have appeared suddenly, and that god is human like, and actively cares about us... if he was all powerful, he would be smart enough to create a system that manages itself...

He created a mechanism that life could flourish with free will, which in turn via his idea, created the Sun, which as being a product of God is known as his son... and we are all of Gods creatures...


I mean to me, THAT makes sense, I can buy into it...
But that would return people into worshiping the Earth, and the Sun, the feeling that we have been giving this gift, a real tangible gift of the earth... Not some blessing or promise of some better life, not something that we are programmed to chase something that is not real, and can not be produced or cashed in here on earth. In order to exploit those gifts, construct properties, and enslave others in order for power over others. The key to bringing in Pagan religions was to remove the idea that the earth is everyones, and that the planet is sacred, and special... instead focus your faith and soul into an authority figure which conviently coinsides with the idea of submitting to other Authority figures... Since childhood, you were told how important and special the president is... for me, I care not about him or his power, and he is no more man than I am... Simply the opinion of him is, therefore it is the truth... That is what kills me... Majority opinion = Truth.

 

[nullvalu]

LOL, I'm asking for the proof.

According to radioactive isotope dating, the earth is about 4.5 billion years old. Is the earth really 4.5 billion years old? I don't know for sure, I suppose we can't say radioactive dating is "proof", but it's far more believable, due to visible attributes on the earth's surface (such as mountain formations, rivers, canyons, etc), than trying to bend a theory of earth's history around a religious book's claims.

 

[nullvalu]

I love the Idea of God is the Big Bang... he created the math, the physics for all is created... He created the idea that matter attracts other matter, and that denser materials can create heat, and gather close to each other for the formations of stars and planets... God is the father of the Sun... He created the law, and the rule of gravity...

Why can't God be that spark that started it all? Why must it all just have appeared suddenly, and that god is human like, and actively cares about us... if he was all powerful, he would be smart enough to create a system that manages itself...

He created a mechanism that life could flourish with free will, which in turn via his idea, created the Sun, which as being a product of God is known as his son... and we are all of Gods creatures...


I mean to me, THAT makes sense, I can buy into it...
But that would return people into worshiping the Earth, and the Sun, the feeling that we have been giving this gift, a real tangible gift of the earth... Not some blessing or promise of some better life, not something that we are programmed to chase something that is not real, and can not be produced or cashed in here on earth. In order to exploit those gifts, construct properties, and enslave others in order for power over others. The key to bringing in Pagan religions was to remove the idea that the earth is everyones, and that the planet is sacred, and special... instead focus your faith and soul into an authority figure which conviently coinsides with the idea of submitting to other Authority figures... Since childhood, you were told how important and special the president is... for me, I care not about him or his power, and he is no more man than I am... Simply the opinion of him is, therefore it is the truth... That is what kills me... Majority opinion = Truth.

Hey, I won't argue with that - it's a nice little thought. However, that's not what most Christians believe, because that's not how the Bible said it happened.

Believe me man, I grew up in a very religious family, attended Christian Reformed and Lutheran churches for the first half of my life. The profound claims the church made about what's written in the Bible upset me and I began to turn away from it by the age of 10. Lutherans, especially. They read everything as having literal meaning in the Bible. Yes, there really was a Noah's Ark with some 400,000 animal species on board. Yes, you really eat Jesus' body and drink his blood at communion.

 

[mcgraw_wv]

OK...

Other than religon....


There are many other "Constructs" built up in order to suppress thought and power of the people.

As of now, there is no light at the end of the tunnel, the path to real change is so far off... We need our own 9/11 like event... something huge that instantly gets the people involved and awake.

 

[Vendico]

Well that's what I meant... the fact that the Truthers back RP, the MSM used that to hurt Ron...

Do you know it there is a youtube of something along these lines?

 

[newbitech]

Please stop spamming Zeitgeist.

Zeitgeist part 1 makes me sick.


For the last 100 times


Jesus Was Real, he isnt a fairy tale.

God is real.

I believe Jesus and God are real, but not in the way the "church", media, and the "traditional sense" teach.

If you like physics and the universe and nature and anthropology and the question of myth vs facts check this out.

Thunderbolt of the Gods

Also, here is some more linkage along those lines.

Thunderbolts

This is stuff the university won't teach you and you certainly won't hear about in the MSM. The good thing about this kind of research, its not conspiracy but very solid science that is getting the "Ron Paul" business from the establishment.

Re: what to do.

1.) Get rid of your TV/Cable
2.) Become an activist 24/7: always look for ways to help your family, friends, neighbors, store clerks, telemarketers, bank tellers, anyone you come in to contact with to peel back the layers and see the truth.
3.) keep researching and studying and digging.
4.) Go to your local city council meetings and do the same.
5.) get to know a local reporter and become a "truth"informant
6.) continue meeting with your fellow patriots to share ideas, new information, and mid/long range plans.
7.) hate to sound this way but, stock up on food, medicine coffee, ammo
8.) consider obtaining a firearm permit and learn how to use weapons
9.) this goes along with 7-8 this is an awesome link from the web site strike the root. read this => What do you need to survive?
10.) read a good book. I just recently finished Atlas Shrugged. Awesome Awesome.
11.) Speaking of books, it might not be a bad idea to start storing up educational literature OFFLINE.
12.) Become a HAM radio operator
13.) Take your money out of the bank/retirement account and consider purchasing gold/silver
14.) tell your kids you love them.

 

[mcgraw_wv]

Re: what to do.

1.) Get rid of your TV/Cable
2.) Become an activist 24/7: always look for ways to help your family, friends, neighbors, store clerks, telemarketers, bank tellers, anyone you come in to contact with to peel back the layers and see the truth.
3.) keep researching and studying and digging.
4.) Go to your local city council meetings and do the same.
5.) get to know a local reporter and become a "truth"informant
6.) continue meeting with your fellow patriots to share ideas, new information, and mid/long range plans.
7.) hate to sound this way but, stock up on food, medicine coffee, ammo
8.) consider obtaining a firearm permit and learn how to use weapons
9.) this goes along with 7-8 this is an awesome link from the web site strike the root. read this => What do you need to survive?
10.) read a good book. I just recently finished Atlas Shrugged. Awesome Awesome.
11.) Speaking of books, it might not be a bad idea to start storing up educational literature OFFLINE.
12.) Become a HAM radio operator
13.) Take your money out of the bank/retirement account and consider purchasing gold/silver
14.) tell your kids you love them.

Which also doubles as a "Lose your Wife and Friends" plan... j/k

 

[charger]

According to radioactive isotope dating, the earth is about 4.5 billion years old. Is the earth really 4.5 billion years old? I don't know for sure, I suppose we can't say radioactive dating is "proof", but it's far more believable, due to visible attributes on the earth's surface (such as mountain formations, rivers, canyons, etc), than trying to bend a theory of earth's history around a religious book's claims.

These are all destractions from Santan to pull people away from God.
Most of the sceince today is all fiction. How can you possibly say that you can be sure that the earth is over 10,000 years old. Do you know anyone that lived a few thousand years ago that can give you an item that they know for a fact how old it is to check the calibration on the radioactive isotope dating?
Santan's been here on earth for thousands of years. He is working non stop to fool people.
Do you believe in the Devil?
The Rock Music industy sure does. They worship him.
Also 911 was an inside job according to Don Henely and he wrote the song in the year 2000.
What do you make of that?
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/d/don+henley/inside+job_20042082.html
Everything in the Bible is true and Jesus will be back soon for everyone to see.
Here is the best website I have found on what is going on. Please take the time to look over some of the material.
http://www.spirituallysmart.com/Testimony2.html
What's happening today is God against Evil explained in the Bible.
You see how you've been lied to by your government and media. Is it that much of a stretch to think that you have been lied to about Jesus.
I pray that you all see the light!

 

[newbitech]

I love the Idea of God is the Big Bang... he created the math, the physics for all is created... He created the idea that matter attracts other matter, and that denser materials can create heat, and gather close to each other for the formations of stars and planets... God is the father of the Sun... He created the law, and the rule of gravity...

Why can't God be that spark that started it all? Why must it all just have appeared suddenly, and that god is human like, and actively cares about us... if he was all powerful, he would be smart enough to create a system that manages itself...

He created a mechanism that life could flourish with free will, which in turn via his idea, created the Sun, which as being a product of God is known as his son... and we are all of Gods creatures...


I mean to me, THAT makes sense, I can buy into it...
But that would return people into worshiping the Earth, and the Sun, the feeling that we have been giving this gift, a real tangible gift of the earth... Not some blessing or promise of some better life, not something that we are programmed to chase something that is not real, and can not be produced or cashed in here on earth. In order to exploit those gifts, construct properties, and enslave others in order for power over others. The key to bringing in Pagan religions was to remove the idea that the earth is everyones, and that the planet is sacred, and special... instead focus your faith and soul into an authority figure which conviently coinsides with the idea of submitting to other Authority figures... Since childhood, you were told how important and special the president is... for me, I care not about him or his power, and he is no more man than I am... Simply the opinion of him is, therefore it is the truth... That is what kills me... Majority opinion = Truth.

What if everything is expanding including time? You know the idea of taking a deflated balloon and drawing a line on it. When you blow up the balloon, the line stretches. So now while we are moving down that line the end and beginning of the line "appears" to get further and further away.

Just think is matter did the same thing. That would explain why dinosaur bones are SOO big. Since they were preserved from so long ago and are our only evidence of intelligent structures, we have no frame of reference so we assume that dinosaurs were really that big when they walked around.

Remember those eggs you used to get with dinosaurs in them? You put them in water and they "hatch" out by expanding.

Not saying just saying.