I don't belong here....

[FilleDePaix]

What a great post!

I am so happy to be a witness to a rare phenomenon:

People brought together, their opinions simultaneously mattering and not. In true freedom, your neighbor's opinion or way of living is unimportant, and yet at the same time the most precious thing. Because humans have a gift of free will.

This paradox is rarely accepted in it's entirety outside of politics, let alone in the extreme dichotomy The Government has (de)volved into.

Ron Paul's platform unites nurtures this new (old) way of thinking, and all of you rose to the occasion! What a great thing to witness.

Thank you all and your different views.

 

[eldeeder]

i will not hijack this thread. i will not hijack this thread. i will not hijack this thread. i will not hijack this thread. i will not hijack this thread. i will not hijack this thread. i will not hijack this thread. i will not hijack this thread.

Covered it, Page 4, three posts from the bottom. And a net-ettiqute (netiquette?) question. Can an OP hijack his/her own thread? Im new to the whole forum thingy...

 

[eldeeder]

What a great post!


People brought together, their opinions simultaneously mattering and not. In true freedom, your neighbor's opinion or way of living is unimportant, and yet at the same time the most precious thing. Because humans have a gift of free will.

Exactly! How did this turn into "DONT TALK ABOUT POLITICS OR RELIGON!

 

[InLoveWithRon]

Strange sounding post, I know, but bear with me.



Guns are stupid. Just plain stupid. I'm not going to go into the reasons why, there is no reason to. Im not posting this to argue about guns. Let's just say thats how I feel about the issue, and you'll have a tough time changing it.

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We have a right to have guns ! Imagine the crimes if only the bad guys had guns.. You are totally insane if you want to get rid of guns.. Because that will mean only the bad guys will have them

If guns were banished, watch for a 300% increase in home invasions and burglaries because burglars won't be afraid because the Homeowners wont have guns.

Banishing guns is a Stupid stupid idea.. Dumb democrats,.

 

[Hangly Man]

You're welcome to try out my rifle if you like. Just keep it pointed at the ground or at the target.

 

[InLoveWithRon]

The US is already a police state.. What happens if the government creates a disaster in the US and has the army or fema roaming around abusing people? People need their guns for protection from the government! The government is the #1 enemy.. Haven't you noticed??

Getting rid of guns only empowers the government over the people even more.. It's a stupid idea to get rid of guns.. It's Idiotic..

 

[Live Free or Die]

We have a right to have guns ! Imagine the crimes if only the bad guys had guns.. You are totally insane if you want to get rid of guns.. Because that will mean only the bad guys will have them

If guns were banished, watch for a 300% increase in home invasions and burglaries because burglars won't be afraid because the Homeowners wont have guns.

Banishing guns is a Stupid stupid idea.. Dumb democrats,.

Hey now... talk about facts getting in the way. No citations? Pfft! Can we just go back to the fuzzy stuff, please? :o

 

[affa]

You know what one of the best things about this forum is?

Have you noticed that we're able to discuss all the taboo topics (abortion, politics, religion, etc.) and it almost never devolves into a flame war? We get the occasional troll, sure, but that's different.

And I think many of the disagreements that do occur smooth out over time. That is, many of the people here are 'new' to the ideas of freedom. Ex-neocons. Ex-dems. People used to arguing... and yet, somehow... we've got it all worked out.

Beautiful.

EDIT to note: Ok, so we've got the one guy posting about people being idiotic while I was writing this. Go figure.

 

[eldeeder]

We have a right to have guns ! Imagine the crimes if only the bad guys had guns.. You are totally insane if you want to get rid of guns.. Because that will mean only the bad guys will have them

If guns were banished, watch for a 300% increase in home invasions and burglaries because burglars won't be afraid because the Homeowners wont have guns.

Banishing guns is a Stupid stupid idea.. Dumb democrats,.

Read my other posts. Making laws to take guns away from citizens is like spreading democracy at gunpoint.

You cant force democracy. Its a paradox. You can't give democracy. PEOPLE HAVE TO TAKE IT! Just like you cant "take" someones guns from them, without guns of your own. You can't forceable "disarm" people in an ethical way.

The fact of the matter is we should all be able to coexist without breaking out the guns. But if only 99% of us agree on that, then someone will still have a gun, and the majority of us have the right to defend ourselves from that 1% so we need guns too. Hopefully, someday, we wont.

 

[Dave Pedersen]

We live in very dangerous times. Glad you value the rule of law as our basic principle of liberty and justice above the particular stipulations of our current body of true law (the constitution) with which you disagree.

Our out of control federal government is side-stepping our laws and making up new ones every day. They don't bother to deliberate in congress any more they just consign their responsibility to the whims of the executive branch. According to their arrogance they no longer even deem it necessary to put on a convincing show.

Under "color of law" the lower courts uphold the subjugation of our rights and turn the proceedings of our courtrooms into kangaroo show trials. Two branches of government are now willing to promote the unfettered advancement of the executive branch for personal gain. We have at the helm a large and arrogant collection of traitors who know exactly what they are doing in the court system and in the legislature and of course in the executive branch. Our major media outlets who are trusted with the responsibility of accurate journalism have also deliberately betrayed us.

The individual participants within these four institutions have almost entirely succumbed to the allure of elitism, the prestige of social advancement and the promise of personal financial supremacy.

Together we the people who know and love this revolution grapple with a dire emergency in the form of pervasive ignorance. Our fellow Americans for the most part remain totally unaware of the danger we face and the truth we must bring to their peaceful lives suggests a woeful challenge which once perceived is rarely welcomed. Nevertheless for our nation, our posterity and literally the hope of mankind to continue so must we.

 

[newmedia4ron]

Stop The Drama Before It Starts
Back To Precinct Leaders....

 

[ronpaul4pres]

#1 Visit Europe. Very very small amounts of violent crime. BUT, you do have to contrast that with public outrage. I was in holland around a year ago. They had just passed a law requiring people to carry ID. People were OUTRAGED. out in the streets about it. And the thing is, THEY CANT EVEN SEARCH YOU FOR IT. Its not even possible to violate this law, and people were still outraged. We dont have that kind of social participation. I don't "blindly" follow the constitution. I understand why it is designed the way it is.

#2 Like I said, I don't honestly know the answer to the abortion question. Right now, the best I can do for myself (and thats the only person I can decide for) is that if something is 100% biologically dependent upon someone, and they don't want it there, they have the right to remove it.

But I dont want to argue this, I just know we both agree that the federal government shouldn't have anything to say about it. Ethically, I say leave it up to the mother, the father, and the doctor. Politcally, I say leave it up to the states. If Cali votes for legal pot, the federal government shouldnt be able to say no. If South Dakota wants to ban partial birth abortions, the feds shouldn't be able to say no.

Given that criminals don't obey the law by definition, is it really that much harder for a criminal to get a gun in Europe than here?

I don't understand: a newborn is still 100% dependent, yet all of us would say no one has a right to end its development if no longer wanted.

 

[eldeeder]

Stop The Drama Before It Starts
Back To Precinct Leaders....

Drama!? Bah... We need to remind ourselves we aren't on the same page every once in a while, just so we're sure we're on the same page. Huh? We aren't just lemmings, supporting some chode because he smiles and says words like "change."

But come on. After several long, hard hours of campaigning, its great to have a few beers, and argue with other people about why they're nuts (myself not excluded) and then wake up the next day and do it all over again. We'll all have plenty of time to not bother each other AFTER we get Dr. Paul elected...

 

[eldeeder]

Given that criminals don't obey the law by definition, is it really that much harder for a criminal to get a gun in Europe than here?

I don't understand: a newborn is still 100% dependent, yet all of us would say no one has a right to end its development if no longer wanted.

Christ, Im going to let you keep reading for the gun argument. But on #2

I didnt say "100% dependent" I said "100% BIOLOGICALLY dependent."

Whats the difference? a 1 minute old child is 100% dependent, but there are countless people on which it can be dependent. You can take care of it, I can take care of it, Tina can take care of it. Who the fuck is Tina? I don't know, but I'm told she's good with kids.

Anyway, when a woman is pregnant, that child is a part of her body. If she wants to dispose of it, she has the right. If the child can be dependent upon some other means, that should be the option to pursue ( I think at least). A child is not an independent being until it can be sustained outside the biology of its mother. If you want to view the two lives as equals (mother and fetus) you have to be able to answer one fundamental question.

If the mothers life is in danger, does she have the right to abort? If you are weighing the lives equally, and independently, then no, she does not have that right. If you view it as biology, then a woman has the right to dispose of anything inside her own body that she chooses.

 

[zackmario]

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[newmedia4ron]

Drama!? Bah... We need to remind ourselves we aren't on the same page every once in a while, just so we're sure we're on the same page. Huh? We aren't just lemmings, supporting some chode because he smiles and says words like "change."

But come on. After several long, hard hours of campaigning, its great to have a few beers, and argue with other people about why they're nuts (myself not excluded) and then wake up the next day and do it all over again. We'll all have plenty of time to not bother each other AFTER we get Dr. Paul elected...

when you first discuss abortion & religion with someone its never the same after that

 

[eldeeder]

when you first discuss abortion & religion with someone its never the same after that

It shouldn't matter. We'll never get anywhere on any issue, as long as we continue being so contemptious of those who disagree with us.

 

[angrydragon]

I support gun control...for the government.

 

[LBT]

Sure you belong.

We don't all have to have the same opinions, nor could we all have the same knowledge.

But we've found issues of commonality that are worth striving for.

All groups have tensions toward group-think, but those with a libertarian strains tend to allow more diversity of opinion by the nature of the philosophy behind it.

And there is nothing better than a good debate among fellow travellers to get the mental cogs working and to develop better skills in persuasion

 

[nbhadja]

The war, economy, and immigration should be a much bigger issue than gun rights. Abortion is big I guess, but I have mixed feelings on it. Don't know whether to support it or go against it.