I am pissed off.

[lbadragan]

Hah. Take my word for it, it all depends on how an individual interprets terrorism. Hey, there might be more susceptibility in "terrorist" nations, but the underlining point of the argument is that it shouldn't be about probability or nations, but on individuals. If a nation like Saudi Arabia does have more terrorists, then screen them more severely. But don't deny them the right that many other students from all around the world enjoy i.e. seek higher education in the United States.

They have no right to entry into the United States just as I had no right. It was a gift made to me by the American people. My and my family's right to life and limb is much higher on my list of priorities than someone from Egypt or Syria getting an opportunity to study here. I'm sorry, the stakes are too high. This is the end of the discussion for me tonight, it was stimulating. Whatever the end result will be on the immigration question, I think it's obvious that Ron Paul's position on foreign policy is the most beneficial to the U.S and to the world. I hope you cast your vote for him. Good night.

 

[Dr.3D]

They have no right to entry into the United States just as I had no right. It was a gift made to me by the American people. My and my family's right to life and limb is much higher on my list of priorities than someone from Egypt or Syria getting an opportunity to study here. I'm sorry, the stakes are too high. This is the end of the discussion for me tonight, it was stimulating. Whatever the end result will be on the immigration question, I think it's obvious that Ron Paul's position on foreign policy is the most beneficial to the U.S and to the world. I hope you cast your vote for him. Good night.

Bravo.... good night to you sir.

 

[srmpass98]

They have no right to entry into the United States just as I had no right. It was a gift made to me by the American people. My and my family's right to life and limb is much higher on my list of priorities than someone from Egypt or Syria getting an opportunity to study here. I'm sorry, the stakes are too high. This is the end of the discussion for me tonight, it was stimulating. Whatever the end result will be on the immigration question, I think it's obvious that Ron Paul's position on foreign policy is the most beneficial to the U.S and to the world. I hope you cast your vote for him. Good night.

I meant privilege, hahah. I must admit you've somewhat padded the situation, thanks for the civil debate. Don't worry I probably won't deviate from my support, though it maybe in need of some tourniquets and bandages!

 

[acroso]

libs

Lots of libs on the forums lately who want Paul run some sort of Powder puff campaign.

This Paul is mean to kick ass and it does.

If you want terrorist nations sending their students vote for Kookinich.

 

[xao]

NeoconPaulsupporter,

Do you even have any concept what a neo-con supports??

When you're ready to face reality, i'd like to see a new handle.

 

[xao]

Lots of libs on the forums lately who want Paul run some sort of Powder puff campaign.

This Paul is mean to kick ass and it does.

If you want terrorist nations sending their students vote for Kookinich.

I don't mind the libs as long as that stands for libertarian not liberal.

Seriously though recovering liberals are okay. I used to be one about 16 years ago. I do agree though, a lot of trolls/marxists lately. It seems to go in cycles on here.

 

[derekparr]

Jump ship ands get out of here then! I'm sick of your whining.

If you can't handle free speech then maybe you should leave.

 

[NeoconPaulsupporter]

NeoconPaulsupporter,

Do you even have any concept what a neo-con supports??

When you're ready to face reality, i'd like to see a new handle.

Omg, yes, I do know what Neo-cons support. I will choose a new handle when I feel I have cleansed myself. For now I wear my shame on my sleeve. I supported the Iraq war. I supported the nation building and the continued stay of troops.

Now, I don't. Now, I support non-interventionsim. However, if we practice such a policy and we still remain targrets, I will support an overwhelming military response with a get in, get out goal.

 

[Bradley in DC]

All,

I need to tell you, my fellow Ron Paul supporters, that I am seriously considering jumping ship to support another candidate over this latest campaign ad.

1) Its racist. Paul himself has said that policies like the war on drugs which target groups, rather than types of individuals are inherently improper. He said this at the morgan state debate and in his writings. Targeting birthright citizenship and student loans from "terrorist nations" means that minorities and people who are unfortunate enough to be born in the middle east will be excluded from the American dream. - In good conscience I can't support that. If you believe in human rights, you shouldn't also support de-facto race based policies like that.

2) It make Paul look like a flip flopper. Why should Paul call himself a constitutionalist when his support for the constitution is selective? Birthright citizenship is guarateed under the 14th amendment to the constitution.

3) It alienated moderates. Why should I support Paul for his anti-war and fiscal prudence stance when I can get the same stuff from liberals like Obama without the racist baggage? I'm a moderate, this alienates me. It also makes it harder for me to sell Ron to other democrats.

4) We don't need to change policies to win. Ron has already gotten a ton of support from former Tancredo people with his stance on border security. - Why bust out with this no student visas stuff now?

5) Its stupid. Terrorism is a function of being politicized and having resources. Its a phenomenon which crosses boundaries. Its not just limited to the middle east. If you know anything about terrorism, this seems painfully obvious. Up till now, the paul campaign has been smart about terrorism, but this policy won't help protect america from terrorism.

Damn it.

+1

 

[derekparr]

I'm still gonna vote for RP... it would obviously have to be much more serious for any of the other big government losers to be a better option. lol

But I do think it is a bad policy. Politicians and such in these so-called "terrorist nations" that are more "freedom loving" and counter the tyrannical and "terrorist" nature of the governments in these countries often acquired their philosophies or had them strengthened while attending universities here in our country. Bhutto who went to Radcliffe and Harvard would be a good example of that.

 

[xao]

+1

-2

 

[FreedomProsperityPeace]

If you can't handle free speech then maybe you should leave.

What I can't handle is someone flipping out and cussing the board and calling people names because of a couple words in a commercial.

 

[0zzy]

What I can't handle is someone flipping out and cussing the board and calling people names because of a couple words in a commercial.

Nor withdrawing support, votes, and donations.
Simply contacting someone who is in charge of this ad would be more reasonable.

 

[Hook]

Nor withdrawing support, votes, and donations.
Simply contacting someone who is in charge of this ad would be more reasonable.

Hopefully he has a few beers and calms down enough to consider all the candidates and why Dr. Paul is still the best even if they don't see eye to eye on eveything.

 

[Dianne]

There are laws in the US.. We have to stop picking and choosing the ones we like and the ones we don't like. That is how King George has gotten away with his dictatorship.

Paul is saying he believes in enforcing the law. The law does provide for legal immigration; however, illegal immigration should be stopped !

 

[han_solo]

>Birthright citizenship is guaranteed under the 14th amendment to the constitution.

The 14th amendment can be modified by legislation, there would not be a need to amend the constitution I don't think. Limits such as "parents must be here legally, or child inherits citizenship of mother", could be put into laws and still be perfectly constitutional.

Just like there are laws about gun control that modify the rights in the 2nd amendment, or laws that have to do with free speech which is in the 1st amendment.

This odd concept of 'automatic birthright' does not exist in most of Europe or Asia either.

There is also the possibly that someone who is here legally does not enjoy the rights of a citizen and is not protected by the constituiton at all since its for the people.

I love the Mexican people, but this illegal stuff has got to stop. My plan would be to plant a 2-mile thick border of land mines myself, and let any mexian citizen come across legal checkpoints easily to work, live on visas, go to school etc, BUT legally.

 

[allyinoh]

Sure you have a right to your own opinion, but people also have a right to disagree with your opinion.

I saw the ad and the things he talks about he has always talked about. What is he flip-flopping on? And how is it racist?

I don't agree with Ron Paul on a couple minor issues but I agree with him on basically every single big issue, including immigration and STILL do after the video.

If you are that easily swayed by a video, then perhaps you were supporting the wrong candidate all along.

 

[liberTim]

Ron Paul's weakness with many NeoConned Republicans is he's seen as weak on the war on terror. He has to sound tough as can be to get some of those votes.

'terrorists nations' is an offence term for many - and I'm sure it took some convincing by staffers for him to approve the message, but it is a good thing he did, really.

I wouldn't be surprised if he actually favours downsizing the bureacracy and getting rid of the student visas for all students - just let the universities decide for themselves who can study and let them all in.

This has happened before, with the mailout stressing how Ron Paul pushed for a formal decaration of war against Iraq, and didn't even mention he's against the war. It's politics - the further he gets the worse it'll get too. Buck up revolutionaries.

 

[VoteRonPaul2008]

Well he's the best option we have

 

[The Good Doctor]

It was balanced with smoke and mirrors. Even Ron Paul says so.

Bob,

Don't be stupid. Paul needs a plurality to win. Obama has called for Tax cuts, and, to tell you the truth, as much as I despise socialism, Hillary's husband was the only president in 20 years to balance the budget.

I'm a paul supporter, but this ad is over the top. Its sucks major balls.