I am pissed off.

[Dr.3D]

What does the State Department clarify as "terrorist nation"?

http://www.milnet.com/state/State-Terror.htm

 

[hawks4ronpaul]

I would expect both Americans and especially foreigners to welcome Paul's visa/border policy (which is NOT new) as a sane alternative to global war (see http://hawks4ronpaul.blogspot.com/2007/12/how-to-stop-terrorists-from-following.html ).

Thank you.
http://hawks4ronpaul.blogspot.com/

 

[Duckman]

http://www.milnet.com/state/State-Terror.htm

The funny thing is, Saudi Arabia isn't on this list, and that's the country several 9/11 hijackers had visas through. It's also the country Ron Paul introduced legislation to block/restrict student visas from in 2003.

For those reasons, I don't think "terrorist nations" was intended to mean those nations on the watch list.

 

[lbadragan]

Its NOT a fact. When I did my analysis, I found that country of origin was not related to participation in violent terrorist activity. The media hypes this, but national origin may not be related to terrorism at all.

Either your analysis is garbage, you're a liar, or you're delusional. To imply that someone from Switzerland is just as likely as a Saudi to unleash a nuke in Chicago is way beyond ludicrous.

 

[Dr.3D]

The funny thing is, Saudi Arabia isn't on this list, and that's the country several 9/11 hijackers had visas through. It's also the country Ron Paul introduced legislation to block/restrict student visas from in 2003.

For those reasons, I don't think "terrorist nations" was intended to mean those nations on the watch list.

That list is from 1999 from what I can make out. But the definition probably still holds true.

The definition used by State Department is pretty clear on what defines a terrorist nation. Activities described in such language as "the gathering of information on potential targets of terrorist activity" and "the providing of any type of material support, including a safe house, transportation, communication, funds, false identification, weapons, explosives, or training, to any individual the actor knows or has reason to believe has committed or plans to commit a terrorist activity" are those that should concern us the most.

http://www.milnet.com/state/1999/fto_info_1999.html#definition

 

[Meiun]

Just a simple thing to state on the topic:

It's all in presentation! The problem isn't with the policy, it is with the language and images. These images, and the language trigger specific negatives in folks across all platforms because of their pre-programming by the Mass Media.

Take a look at Ronald Reagan's "It's morning again" video and see the difference. The language and images are more soft, but the message as a whole is negative.

Again, I have no problem with the policy. I agree with it. But during watching the commercial itself I got that... "Wow, negative" feeling in me... lol, yep, pre-programmed.

 

[srmpass98]

Either your analysis is garbage, you're a liar, or you're delusional. To imply that someone from Switzerland is just as likely as a Saudi to unleash a nuke in Chicago is way beyond ludicrous.

You seem to forget that Mohammed Atta was a student in Munich.

 

[Dr.3D]

Just a simple thing to state on the topic:

It's all in presentation! The problem isn't with the policy, it is with the language and images. These images, and the language trigger specific negatives in folks across all platforms because of their pre-programming by the Mass Media.

Take a look at Ronald Reagan's "It's morning again" video and see the difference. The language and images are more soft, but the message as a whole is negative.

Again, I have no problem with the policy. I agree with it. But during watching the commercial itself I got that... "Wow, negative" feeling in me... lol, yep, pre-programmed.

Now you have to ask yourself, 'What was the negative feeling from?'
You saw a man swimming across a river.... (visions of a Wet Back?)

Yes, we get negative feelings when we think of the negative connotation people suggest when they try to place a negative stereotype on certain groups of people.

But when we look at it as someone who is breaking the law, instead of a negative stereotype people use to define a race, it becomes more positive.

 

[lbadragan]

You seem to forget that Mohammed Atta was a student in Munich.

You seem to overlook the fact that he was born and reached adulthood in Egypt, and carried a Saudi passport as well. This is ridiculous.

 

[srmpass98]

You seem to overlook the fact that he was born and reached adulthood in Egypt, and carried a Saudi passport as well. This is ridiculous.

Right. I didn't say he wasn't Saudi. I'm just saying there are more variables at play then simply looking at his "nationality". There are hundreds of radical British Muslims who are propagating harm to the USA. How do you propose we deal with them?

 

[Dr.3D]

Right. I didn't say he wasn't Saudi. I'm just saying there are more variables at play then simply looking at his "nationality". There are hundreds of radical British Muslims who are propagating harm to the USA. How do you propose we deal with them?

Seems the only way would be to do a 20 year background investigation on each one who wishes to get a VISA.

 

[srmpass98]

Seems the only way would be to do a 20 year background investigation on each one who wishes to get a VISA.

Right. Also I know a lot of people who had to go through intensive interview process, verify documentation (if they got accepted into college) and some sort of contingency plan on leaving the country if any inadvertent event would occur.

 

[NeoconPaulsupporter]

Right. I didn't say he wasn't Saudi. I'm just saying there are more variables at play then simply looking at his "nationality". There are hundreds of radical British Muslims who are propagating harm to the USA. How do you propose we deal with them?

By having talks with the British about their own immigration policies.

 

[lbadragan]

Right. I didn't say he wasn't Saudi. I'm just saying there are more variables at play then simply looking at his "nationality". There are hundreds of radical British Muslims who are propagating harm to the USA. How do you propose we deal with them?

Is it statistically more likely that someone born and raised in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan will be involved in a terrorist attack in Seattle than someone born and raised in Sweden? Yes or no.

 

[srmpass98]

Is it statistically more likely that someone born and raised in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan will be involved in a terrorist attack in Seattle than someone born and raised in Sweden? Yes or no.

Hah. Take my word for it, it all depends on how an individual interprets terrorism. Hey, there might be more susceptibility in "terrorist" nations, but the underlining point of the argument is that it shouldn't be about probability or nations, but on individuals. If a nation like Saudi Arabia does have more terrorists, then screen them more severely. But don't deny them the right that many other students from all around the world enjoy i.e. seek higher education in the United States.

 

[srmpass98]

By having talks with the British about their own immigration policies.

you'd be surprised to learn that most of them are citizens. Maybe federal policies? I dunno.

 

[NeoconPaulsupporter]

Hah. Take my word for it, it all depends on how an individual interprets terrorism. Hey, there might be more susceptibility in "terrorist" nations, but the underlining point of the argument is that it shouldn't be about probability or nations, but on individuals. If a nation like Saudi Arabia does have more terrorists, then screen them more severely. But don't deny them the right that many other students from all around the world enjoy i.e. seek higher education in the United States.

Wait, what right? No student, foreign or US, has a RIGHT to attend a University. And noone, has a RIGHT to visit the US.

 

[srmpass98]

Wait, what right? No student, foreign or US, has a RIGHT to attend a University. And noone, has a RIGHT to visit the US.

Sorry, privilege.

 

[0zzy]

Stop it!

Stop threatening not to donate!
Stop threatening not to vote!

This is our ONLY chance to get a good man in office!

And you want to fight over minescule things!
If you don't like his policies, fine, address them - when he is president!

Otherwise, student visas from "terrorist" nations will be the least of your worries.


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[Dr.3D]

Stop it!

Stop threatening not to donate!
Stop threatening not to vote!

This is our ONLY chance to get a good man in office!

And you want to fight over minescule things!
If you don't like his policies, fine, address them - when he is president!

Otherwise, student visas from "terrorist" nations will be the least of your worries.


SUPPORT.
DONATE.
VOTE.

We are just having a discussion.