Huffington Post's article about RP spurs lively debate on Reddit

[Brian4Liberty]

The Boston bombers were born here and grew up as and with Americans.

Uh, you might want to fact check that statement. They have only been in the US about 10 years (since 2002).

 

[1000-points-of-fright]

They are wrong because they attack innocent people because of the actions of the guilty. Basically all statism is guilty of the same thing.

If Al Qeida would go after the people actually responsible for this stuff, they'd be heroes. As it is, they're killing the innocent, and as such are guilty, but that doesn't change the fact that their motivation is, in fact, hatred for murderers from the US.

But the US is constantly extolling the virtues of democracy and insisting to the rest of the world that we have a government of, for, and by the people. The government represents the will of the people. We are in charge. So US foreign policy must represent the will of the American people. Therefore, in the eyes of the rest of the world, we are not innocent bystanders. We are the masters. If you can't stop the policy by attacking servants (the government and military), you must eventually attack the masters... which is us. The buck stops here, so to speak.

It may not actually be true that we are in charge, but it's not just our policies that blowback on us. Our own propaganda does too.

 

[Working Poor]

What do they call people who bomb governments? Are they considered terrorist?

 

[BlackTerrel]

The thread is about American foreign policy having terrible consequences. You took a quote referring to terrorists and blew it out of proportion.

How is it out of proportion. The statement clearly said terrorists were just normal people. In a thread discussing 9/11.

You can agree that American policy has terrible consequences while still condemning the lunatics who blow themselves up for the glory of their God.

 

[BlackTerrel]

1. They grew up here, watching "their" gov't and military killing their people without a second thought and cheering it on.

2. It makes you a terrorist, which is sometimes the last resort of the desperate. What would you do if the US was run by racists who were systematically killing all black people? Would you be a lunatic if you took extreme measures? No.

3. Our GOVERNMENT is killing random people at WEDDINGS, FUNERALS, SCHOOLS, in their HOMES.

So FUCK OFF if some angry kids do some stupid, evil bullshit, OUR GOVERNMENT does far worse. I can not run them through the wringer until I run OUR GOVERNMENT THAT WE SUPPORT AND PAY FOR through it--which you don't really care so much to do.

When you realize that these are human beings that are being killed by us, maybe you'll be able to eventually understand why some people may act "irrationally."

Putting "irrationally" in quotes means you actually believe it is wrong to consider the Boston bombers irrational?

Am I on fucking Mars?

 

[BlackTerrel]

Don't be dishonest. You have a connection with Africans/blacks just as these kids had a connection with Arabs/Muslims.

I have 1,000 times stronger bond with America than with Africa.

Or are you saying you're okay with the US focusing on African blacks for decimation and you'll keep quiet about it?

The US isn't targeting Muslims for "decimation".... and I'm the one using hyperbole?

 

[Origanalist]

Putting "irrationally" in quotes means you actually believe it is wrong to consider the Boston bombers irrational?

Am I on fucking Mars?

Maybe.

 

[green73]

Uh, you might want to fact check that statement. They have only been in the US about 10 years (since 2002).

Is that true? Surely BT isn't full of shit again?

 

[BlackTerrel]

They are wrong because they attack innocent people because of the actions of the guilty. Basically all statism is guilty of the same thing.

If Al Qeida would go after the people actually responsible for this stuff, they'd be heroes. As it is, they're killing the innocent, and as such are guilty, but that doesn't change the fact that their motivation is, in fact, hatred for murderers from the US.

BTW: If you're defining "America" as the country the Founders started, that is long gone. if you define "America" as the flag waving neocon self-worshipping perversity it has become, than I proudly hate America.

I like this America a lot more than the America the founders started. A lot more.

 

[Origanalist]

I like this America a lot more than the America the founders started. A lot more.

Then you love government, and lots of it. You can't get off your all important issue, one that has been over for your whole life.

 

[Athan]

You really call that good stuff? That's all a terrorist is?

So the Boston bombers who were born in the US were just good people who got tired of American soldiers murdering children? That's it?

....You know at some point you go from opposing US foreign policy to just hating America.

Full disclaimer, I'm not a 9/11 truther.

However on the Tuesday/Wednesday BEFORE they caught the bomber, I was on 4chan seeing photos from the bombing (kicking back on the /k/ board removing kebabs) and they posted pictures highlighting people of interests and many highlighted were Private Military Contractors that showed men in uniformed milspec gear and had similar backpacks as the one that was used in the attack. I know what a Private Military Contractor (PMC) looks like when I see one.

Now nobody has asked this but WHY would a PMC have a BACKBACK as gear if they are providing SECURITY for an event? I understand the M.O.L.L.E. system and tactical gear set up. They didn't have ANY of this other than uniformed milspec tac pants and boots. More importantly, THEY DID NOT HAVE radio equipment and security gear like side arms, cuffs, and batons. There were also personal witness accounts that attendees stated that they were told not to be alarmed that there was a bomb drill in progress leading up to the explosion (I can't provide more information but it is a note of a rumor I heard). Further, what was disturbing was that the backpacks were of civilian material polyester material and not large volume milspec 3 day assault packs made of cordura that can hold the same volume as what was being carried. Yet they had an item in there of a somewhat similar volume as a pressure cookers.

I'm not making specific accusations mind you, but I know that is some serious fucking smoking gun signs that could make it a possible false flag attack like Operation Northwood. These people were highlighted because of the possibility of any of them having similar backpacks as the one that had the detonation device. The picture of the blown backpack was shown, and compared with the similar backpacks used by the PMC's and anyone else in the crowd.

The online community did very simple detective work and ended up showing that Boston had a small (at least 5 person) team of PMC's that WERE ON SITE IN BOSTON'S MARATHON yet that were clearly NOT providing security with their gear set up, they had similar backpacks for some reason that no one bothered to question, (eventually even the suspect wasn't questioned when he left his backpack there), and yet NO one in the media will talk about it because reporters DON'T KNOW SHIT about guns with their "dur assault gunz n clips" instead of semi-autos and magazines... I mean what makes you think they know anything about milspec coyote tan boots and cargo pants?

 

[BlackTerrel]

Then you love government, and lots of it. You can't get off your all important issue, one that has been over for your whole life.

Silly me. I prefer typing on my computer in my air conditioned apartment while sipping a beer and watching sports center over picking cotton and getting whipped. I know crazy right?

Can you explain to me how the America of 1776 was freer than the America of today?

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

Silly me. I prefer typing on my computer in my air conditioned apartment while sipping a beer and watching sports center over picking cotton and getting whipped. I know crazy right?

Can you explain to me how the America of 1776 was freer than the America of today?

Sounds like your compliance has been bought by the state. Too bad for you

 

[jjdoyle]

The Boston bombers were born and raised in the US. Their only connection was religion. This would be as logical as me killing random Egyptians.

The Boston bombers were not born in the US. Not sure where you got that, or why you keep repeating it. Also, if we're talking about the Boston bombers, we should probably be asking why the completely incompetent U.S. Federal Government couldn't figure this out when they had been warned about the older brother multiple times, but then killed/murdered one of the big connections with the brothers down in Florida that was in THEIR custody:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wor...bombing-probe-seeks-answers-article-1.1425572

I'm 100% against violence, especially against innocents, and planting bombs that killed a kid was completely stupid. How much did the younger brother know though? I guess we'll hopefully find out as the trial proceeds, and it could be interesting considering he plead innocent to most/all of the charges.

 

[rich34]

The Boston bombers were born and raised in the US. Their only connection was religion. This would be as logical as me killing random Egyptians.

I could be wrong, but no I don't think they were born here. That's why both parents were interviewed overseas. Yes they do have uncles that live here. Don't think that changes your point much just pointing that out.

 

[BlackTerrel]

I could be wrong, but no I don't think they were born here. That's why both parents were interviewed overseas. Yes they do have uncles that live here. Don't think that changes your point much just pointing that out.

I was wrong. They were not born here. The one kid lived here half his life. And didn't really have beef with America till his boxing career went to shit. Then he hated American foreign policy.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

I was wrong. They were not born here. The one kid lived here half his life. And didn't really have beef with America till his boxing career went to shit. Then he hated American foreign policy.

And you find it unreasonable that he didn't hate American foreign policy until he found out about American foreign policy? You know, perhaps after his boxing career went to shit?

 

[BlackTerrel]

And you find it unreasonable that he didn't hate American foreign policy until he found out about American foreign policy? You know, perhaps after his boxing career went to shit?

I'm going in circles a little bit.

Honestly I think blowing up people running a marathon makes him a terrorist and a piece of shit regardless of what he thought of US foreign policy. I think nothing about his actions are justifiable and I don't think "a 'terrorist' is just someone who got tired of American soldiers murdering their children".

Christians are being killed in Egypt and Christians in Iran are sentenced to death by the state and I haven't killed any Muslims over it. Then again I'm not a sociopath.