Huckabee compares being gay to using alcohol, profanity

[Sola_Fide]

I agree with him. Homosexuality and all sexual immorality is a sin just like getting drunk or bring profane.

 

[jmdrake]

Can you choose to be attracted to people of your same sex?

Sure I could. I don't want to. If I was sentenced to life in prison might I turn gay? That's happened to many men who swore they would never do that. There are also guys in the porn industry who start out straight and turn gay once they realize how much money they are missing out on. Same for women.

If you can't, then you have NO basis by which to judge others for claiming that their orientation is not a choice. You obviously don't know any gay people, at least not well enough to the point where you don't accuse them of lying about the nature of their sexual orientation.

LOL. You're full of it. I actually have a close relative who is gay and a close friend who thought she was gay then realized later she wasn't. She wasn't driven to this realization by guilt. In fact she purposefully chose a church were she would be accepted. But ultimately she came to realize that her gay phase was based on little more than getting into one relationship after rebounding off of a bad one. During the whole time I never accused her of lying about her orientation. But when she kept telling me about attractions to men, I said "That doesn't add up to you being gay. Bi maybe, but not gay." She insisted that she was...until one day she told that the label really didn't make sense. For someone who claims not to like Christians for judging others you are very quick to judge Christians based on absolutely nothing than your own narrow mindedness.

 

[Mr.NoSmile]

So how would he expect to win in a general election again?

 

[jmdrake]

So how would he expect to win in a general election again?

The same way Ron Paul expected to win in a republican primary.

 

[Crashland]

Sure I could. I don't want to. If I was sentenced to life in prison might I turn gay? That's happened to many men who swore they would never do that.

I find this laughable.

LOL. You're full of it. I actually have a close relative who is gay and a close friend who thought she was gay then realized later she wasn't. She wasn't driven to this realization by guilt. In fact she purposefully chose a church were she would be accepted. But ultimately she came to realize that her gay phase was based on little more than getting into one relationship after rebounding off of a bad one. During the whole time I never accused her of lying about her orientation. But when she kept telling me about attractions to men, I said "That doesn't add up to you being gay. Bi maybe, but not gay." She insisted that she was...until one day she told that the label really didn't make sense. For someone who claims not to like Christians for judging others you are very quick to judge Christians based on absolutely nothing than your own narrow mindedness.

As I said, you don't know them well enough to not accuse them about lying about the nature of their own sexual orientation...
Telling someone else that you know them better than they know themselves is presumptuous and arrogant. Maybe calling people out on this kind of bullshit is judging. Ok.

 

[jmdrake]

And for all of the idiots that don't believe someone can have a Biblical view on homosexuality and have gay friends, please watch this video of (then) gay YouTube celebrity Antoine Dotson in his defense of Chick-Fil-A. At 30 seconds in he says "I have aunties and uncles as well who does not approve of gay marriages and stuff like that, but they respect me."



Later on Antoine left the gay lifestyle.

 

[Crashland]

And for all of the idiots that don't believe someone can have a Biblical view on homosexuality and have gay friends, please watch this video of (then) gay YouTube celebrity Antoine Dotson in his defense of Chick-Fil-A. At 30 seconds in he says "I have aunties and uncles as well who does not approve of gay marriages and stuff like that, but they respect me."

If respect means accusing people of lying about their sexual orientation being involuntary, then sure.

 

[YesI'mALiberal]

Except in the case of gay marriage there is no state where the government is "shutting down" gay marriage ceremonies.

Except that (1) they don't/didn't recognize the marriage for any legal purpose, of which there are thousands; and (2) they don't/didn't issue wedding licenses to gay couples. The claim that this is/was not a prohibition of gay marriage is pedantic. In our deli analogy, the govt. wasn't shutting the deli down but you couldn't take the bacon wrapped shrimp out the door (and in some states, they'd throw you in jail for partaking of the bacon wrapped shrimp, which Ron Paul insists the states should have the option to do).

p.s. a small quibble - The Pure Food and Drug Act and the Harrison Narcotic Act predated prohibition. And states were already well into the drug prohibition business before that.

 

[jmdrake]

I find this laughable.

I would expect that. You seem pretty naive. One in twenty men in prison are raped.

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/prison/report.html


That doesn't even get into consensual sex. Considering that the gay population on the outside isn't nearly that high, common sense and logic dictates that the confines of prison and the lack of other sexual outlets have something to do with it.

As I said, you don't know them well enough to not accuse them about lying about the nature of their own sexual orientation...

Oh go to hell. Where did I accuse anyone of lying about their sexuality? I haven't. Now I am accusing you, justly, of lying about my position. Really, how stupid do you have to be not to know the difference between telling someone she is confused and telling her that she is lying? In the case of my friend she later told me I was right! Why do you think she came to that conclusion? Because my "lies" to her were that good?

Telling someone else that you know them better than they know themselves is presumptuous and arrogant. Maybe calling people out on this kind of bullshit is judging. Ok.

It turns out I was right. You should call yourself out on your own "bullshit." Someone who consistently is attracted to members of the opposite sex, even more than members of his/her own gender, simply isn't gay regardless of whether that person believes himself/herself to be that way or not. You have to be stupid beyond belief not to understand that.

 

[jmdrake]

If respect means accusing people of lying about their sexual orientation being involuntary, then sure.

Are you really so stupid that you don't understand the difference between someone being confused and someone lying? I guess you are.

 

[jmdrake]

Except that (1) they don't/didn't recognize the marriage for any legal purpose, of which there are thousands; and (2) they don't/didn't issue wedding licenses to gay couples. The claim that this is/was not a prohibition of gay marriage is pedantic.

SMH. Okay. Try this. Go to the steps of the courthouse and try to marry two people of the opposite sex in any state in the union and tell me what happens. Then attempt to marry someone of the same sex. In the first case you will be arrested. In the second case you won't. If you don't understand that then you really are in no position to debate the subject of gay marriage.

p.s. a small quibble - Harrison Narcotic Act predated prohibition.

That act did not bar anyone from the intrastate possession or sale of any substance. Fail on your part.

The Harrison Narcotics Tax Act (Ch. 1, 38 Stat. 785) was a United States federal law that regulated and taxed the production, importation, and distribution of opiates and Coca products. The act was proposed by Representative Francis Burton Harrison of New York and was approved on December 17, 1914.[1][2]

"An Act To provide for the registration of, with collectors of internal revenue, and to impose a special tax on all persons who produce, import, manufacture, compound, deal in, dispense, sell, distribute, or give away opium or coca leaves, their salts, derivatives, or preparations, and for other purposes." The courts interpreted this to mean that physicians could prescribe narcotics to patients in the course of normal treatment, but not for the treatment of addiction.

Although technically illegal for purposes of distribution and use, the distribution, sale and use of cocaine was still legal for registered companies and individuals.

 

[donnay]

Using Huck's logic, I guess since he thinks gay marriage should be illegal then that means he must think swearing and alcohol should be illegal as well.

Christians can't have anything that goes against their faith being legal, they might be tempted

Hey, don't call him a Christian. Real Christians do not judge others. He is more like the wolf in sheep's clothing.

 

[YesI'mALiberal]

SMH. Okay. Try this. Go to the steps of the courthouse and try to marry two people of the opposite sex in any state in the union and tell me what happens. Then attempt to marry someone of the same sex. In the first case you will be arrested. In the second case you won't.

I call BS. Examples?

That act did not bar anyone from the intrastate possession or sale of any substance. Fail ....

The fail is on your part:

... the distribution, sale and use of cocaine was still legal for registered companies and individuals

... and ILLEGAL for non-registered. Do you even read your own posts? Besides which, I fail to see how a clear example of the govt. REGULATING commerce contradicts my claim that the govt. regulates commerce.

 

[Brett85]

Hey, don't call him a Christian. Real Christians do not judge others. He is more like the wolf in sheep's clothing.

That's not the case. The point of what Jesus said in that passage is that you shouldn't judge others for doing something that you do yourself.

 

[dannno]

That said, unless you've gone to prison and been raped, you can't say for certain that you (Dannno) are not bi yourself.

Not true, when I've been really desperate for sex before, I've thought, "Wow this really sucks, what if I just got some gay or bi dude to give me a bj since I can't find a chick?" and instantly I think about their beard stubble hitting my inner thighs and the whole thing makes me a little queasy and I begin to lose my erection.

I actually agree that genetics is not the only factor in sexual preference, though it can be a determining factor... but as we know a person is not responsible for their genetics and they are not always responsible for their life experiences. Early life experiences, even those in vitro tend to have a significant impact on a person later in life. When you talked about the twins, one of whom ended up becoming a transgender, I would be willing to bet that despite their genetics the one who did not become transgender may have been able to absorb some minute amount of nutrients more than their twin and was slightly more dominant in the womb. Despite the likely continued dominance throughout their life, you could have possibly separated them at birth and the one who became transgender may or may not have done so anyway. But I would bet if that same transgender twin was on the other side of the womb and got more nutrients and was slightly more dominant, they probably would not have become transgender and the other one may have. Or maybe not, it's probably more complex than we can imagine. But again, like genetics, a person is not always responsible for their life experiences.

 

[jmdrake]

I call BS. Examples?

Examples of what? People prosecuted for polygamy?

http://www.vanderbiltlawreview.org/...02/McClain_Common-and-Uncommon-Families-1.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reynolds_v._United_States

http://usmarriagelaws.com/search/united_states/polygamy/
All 50 states have statutes against bigamy (multiple licensed marriages). In most states, bigamy is a felony.

The fail is on your part:

No it isn't.

... the distribution, sale and use of cocaine was still legal for registered companies and individuals

[/I]... and ILLEGAL for non-registered. Do you even read your own posts? Besides which, I fail to see how a clear example of the govt. REGULATING commerce contradicts my claim that the govt. regulates commerce.

How exactly are "unregistered" companies supposed to legally get a substance that doesn't grow in the United States and can't legally be important? Like I said. Fail on your part.

 

[jmdrake]

Not true, when I've been really desperate for sex before, I've thought, "Wow this really sucks, what if I just got some gay or bi dude to give me a bj since I can't find a chick?" and instantly I think about their beard stubble hitting my inner thighs and the whole thing makes me a little queasy and I begin to lose my erection.

There is a huge difference between a temporary situation that you know you can fix by hiring an escort or at worst getting some porn and handling it yourself and being locked away in prison for life. Also the aspect of force comes into play. You might not cross that line yourself, but if you were forced to by bubba that's a different matter altogether. If you want the comparison, get locked up for 20 years with bubba and get back with us.

I actually agree that genetics is not the only factor in sexual preference, though it can be a determining factor... but as we know a person is not responsible for their genetics and they are not always responsible for their life experiences. Early life experiences, even those in vitro tend to have a significant impact on a person later in life.

No disagreement there. Prison rape is a later life experience. But people can and do rise above life experiences.

When you talked about the twins, one of whom ended up becoming a transgender, I would be willing to bet that despite their genetics the one who did not become transgender may have been able to absorb some minute amount of nutrients more than their twin and was slightly more dominant in the womb.
Despite the likely continued dominance throughout their life, you could have possibly separated them at birth and the one who became transgender may or may not have done so anyway. But I would bet if that same transgender twin was on the other side of the womb and got more nutrients and was slightly more dominant, they probably would not have become transgender and the other one may have. Or maybe not, it's probably more complex than we can imagine. But again, like genetics, a person is not always responsible for their life experiences.

Well....that's a theory I suppose. You've got absolutely nothing to back that up but it's a theory. Another theory is the one twin made different choices.

 

[Crashland]

I would expect that. You seem pretty naive. One in twenty men in prison are raped.

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/prison/report.html

That doesn't even get into consensual sex. Considering that the gay population on the outside isn't nearly that high, common sense and logic dictates that the confines of prison and the lack of other sexual outlets have something to do with it.

It doesn't really surprise me that men in confinement who have no other sexual outlets would have that problem.

Oh go to hell. Where did I accuse anyone of lying about their sexuality? I haven't. Now I am accusing you, justly, of lying about my position. Really, how stupid do you have to be not to know the difference between telling someone she is confused and telling her that she is lying? In the case of my friend she later told me I was right! Why do you think she came to that conclusion? Because my "lies" to her were that good?

It turns out I was right. You should call yourself out on your own "bullshit." Someone who consistently is attracted to members of the opposite sex, even more than members of his/her own gender, simply isn't gay regardless of whether that person believes himself/herself to be that way or not. You have to be stupid beyond belief not to understand that.

I'm not even talking about your close friend. You seem to think that it helps your case that a person's sexuality is not always black and white? My point, which still stands, is it seems that you don't believe people who claim that their sexual orientation is not a choice. Do you believe me, as a straight person, that I cannot simply choose to change my sexual orientation? If you don't believe me, then that proves my point. And if you do believe me, then it would be hypocritical not to believe others who claim the same thing about theirs.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Social Conservatives are funny.... all about small government and this alleged "freedom" until they want to use the force of government to suit their religious bent.

+rep

 

[donnay]

That's not the case. The point of what Jesus said in that passage is that you shouldn't judge others for doing something that you do yourself.

God is the Judge...we must use discernment.

Matthew 7:1-5 - Judge not, that ye be not judged.

Luke 6:37 - Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

Revelation 20:12 - And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.