How real conspiracies are exposed

I do need to apologise I was on my phone and it got way to hard to keep typing.

Re: North Korea, note the part about extended period of time. North Korea hasn't even been around as long as the USSR was. The FED has been around since 1913, the question is whether it can keep it together much longer without collapsing.

The Manhattan project was small and by no means efficient and had a very limited life time. The USSR was the first into space and had seriously advanced technology in a lot of areas but was an economic train wreck.

With regard to trutherism that I was talking about, the CIA which also pretty young compared to the global elite system of truther postulates, was set up to mess around in foreign countries. The example you have cited is also an example of nefarious forces inside a government generally bungling.

The CIA has clearly had its fingers in a lot of pies for the last 60 years. The problem is that it is royally screwing up everything it touches because it can't account for all the variables. It necessarily will always bugger things up because it is to big and too broad.

The 'Truther' school as I am using the term believes that the organising entitiy[ies] are accounting for all the variables. The consider that what economists like those cited study and call market forces are simply charades of puppet masters creating economic theatre.

There is plenty of room to believe that governments act covertly and nefariously without having to buy into extreme levels of efficiency.

It's a big mistake to assume there are not factions within the CIA and FBI which keep secrets from each other and/or oppose each other internally. The "CIA" is a nebulous entity, with many missions and types. And then there is always the top secret. Those are the people who got to read the 12 redacted pages about Saudi Arabia in the 9/11 commission report.

The PATRIOT Act basically came out of heaven, and congress voted for it before barely reading it. Compartmentalization just takes a few people high in power manipulating structures. The structures will do as instructed, without knowing what the other is doing.

Rumsfeld and Cheney were masters at political manipulation. Study them sometime. They always got their way in Republican administrations. They are a couple of the many political puppet masters.
 
Back on the Manti story, it looks like maybe he wasn't involved. Who knows though; this thing gets more bizarre by the day. I hope, for his sake, that he is a innocent victim in this.
 
You are missing the overall point. And I think it's because you don't understand a basic principle of physics which is entropy. In other words it's easier to purposefully tear something down then it is to build it up. Have you ever wondered why it takes seconds for Controlled Demolition Inc to tear down a building that it took months or even years to construct? Entropy. Sure it takes CDI a while to wire it properly, but even that is only measured in days. And it takes that long because they want to minimize the damage.

You should take the time to read the book "Confessions of an economic hitman" by John Perkins. In it he explains how he would, on behalf of international bankers, systematically destroy the economies of developing nations. Under your false theory of libertarianism that's not possible. Conspiracies can't achieve desired results. Only they do every day. That's because a desired result that is less overall wealth for everyone is much easier to achieve than one that creates more. Here is a practical example. Part of the derivatives bubble is that megabanks would buy credit default swaps, basically insurance against default, for other financial institutions and then turn around and squeeze credit on those same institutions in order to make a profit. Did it work? Duh! Of course it worked! Was it good for the overall economy? Most certainly not. So understanding that people can conspire together to create a result that is good for them is not the same as saying "Well I guess Austrian economics isn't truth then".



With regard to trutherism that I was talking about, the CIA which also pretty young compared to the global elite system of truther postulates, was set up to mess around in foreign countries. The example you have cited is also an example of nefarious forces inside a government generally bungling.

Is a home invader "bungling" when he kills everyone in the house and makes off with the loot? No. And a dictator isn't bungling when he destroys his own country and gets filthy rich in the process.

The CIA has clearly had its fingers in a lot of pies for the last 60 years. The problem is that it is royally screwing up everything it touches because it can't account for all the variables. It necessarily will always bugger things up because it is to big and too broad.

The 'Truther' school as I am using the term believes that the organising entitiy[ies] are accounting for all the variables. The consider that what economists like those cited study and call market forces are simply charades of puppet masters creating economic theatre.

You do not have to "control all of the variables" to get a desired result. Let's take the 1993 WTC bombing. We know the basic facts of what happened. An FBI informant was inside a cell of radical Muslims. He informed his handler that they wanted to blow up the WTC and he was the bomb maker. He asked to swap the explosives with harmless powder. The handlers said no, use real explosives. Seven people died in that attack. It was "bungled" to the extent that the entire building didn't collapse, but it was a successful terrorist attack. Now, using your warped logic, only the terrorists themselves could have wanted the bombing to happen because only olactors outside of government are able to achieve a nefarious purpose. There are two possibilities for those inside the FBI who made the decision to use real explosives. One is that such a person is incredibly stupid. The other is that such uncomfortably evil. So, we must believe that a government that is able to recruit the best and brightest to do moon landings is only able to get absolute idiots to work in its intelligence service, because otherwise libertarianism is false? Sorry, but that makes no sense. And someone inside the FBI that desired a nefarious result didn't need to "control all of the variables." He only needed to control one which is whether or not the informant used real explosives.

Fast forward to the most recent underwear bomber. The CIA admits it was controlling the bomber the whole time. Was it to "foil a plot" or was it to scare the public into giving up more rights? Who knows. What is known is that they were controlling all of the variables and they achieved the desired result whichever it was. If it was a real plot then good for them! They foiled it! If it was a stunt to scare the public...well it worked. Either way it smacks down your "They can't control a conspiracy" thesis.

There is plenty of room to believe that governments act covertly and nefariously without having to buy into extreme levels of efficiency.

Again that's a straw man argument. It doesn't require "extreme levels of efficiency" to benefit a few.
 
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Back on the Manti story, it looks like maybe he wasn't involved. Who knows though; this thing gets more bizarre by the day. I hope, for his sake, that he is a innocent victim in this.

You mean (gasp) the OP jumped to a conclusion based on partial information? I guess BlackTerrel is a fantasy football conspiracy theorist.
 
Back on the Manti story, it looks like maybe he wasn't involved. Who knows though; this thing gets more bizarre by the day. I hope, for his sake, that he is a innocent victim in this.


He says he learned it was a hoax on X date, and then continued talking about her long after that. So whether he was fully involved, he hasn't admitted. However, it does sound like he has admitting to continuing the charade after discovering it. That was probably a stupid admission, but the whole thing sounds like it was a stupid plan. Even that shows this guy was involved to some extent. Who would keep talking about their girlfriend after they find out she never actually existed? Even if he just felt stupid and embarrassed, he could have just shut up about her dying of cancer, etc. Shit, he was bringing it up, himself.
 
You mean (gasp) the OP jumped to a conclusion based on partial information? I guess BlackTerrel is a fantasy football conspiracy theorist.

No it was the article he posted and applauded that drove the narrative on the story. The article did expose a hoax but Deadspin somehow came to the conclusion that T'eo was involved based on very little facts and mostly speculation only the History Channel could rival. But the American media and public, by and large, bought it and crucified T'eo even though he was the victim.
 
You mean (gasp) the OP jumped to a conclusion based on partial information? I guess BlackTerrel is a fantasy football conspiracy theorist.

No it was the article he posted and applauded that drove the narrative on the story. The article did expose a hoax but Deadspin somehow came to the conclusion that T'eo was involved based on very little facts and mostly speculation only the History Channel could rival. But the American media and public, by and large, bought it and crucified T'eo even though he was the victim.
 
No it was the article he posted and applauded that drove the narrative on the story. The article did expose a hoax but Deadspin somehow came to the conclusion that T'eo was involved based on very little facts and mostly speculation only the History Channel could rival. But the American media and public, by and large, bought it and crucified T'eo even though he was the victim.

BlackTerrel jumped to the conclusion that the Deadspin's jump to a conclusion was "good journalism". Yet BlackTerrel can't bring himself to come to grips with facts that rock his worldview like the fact that the Pentagon at first said they used DNA evidence as proof of death for Osama Bin Laden and now they say the don't have and DNA records. That's my point. Sloppy journalism is taken as "fact" when it reaches a conclusion that certain people can accept. Good journalism helps you reach a conclusion that you otherwise would not be willing to accept. Whether or not some college football player lied about having a girlfriend who died is not life altering history changing information. Whether or not Osama Bin Laden was killed in a raid by Navy SEALS is potentially life altering history changing information. The same is true regarding whatever happened in Sandy Hook. Even if the only thing the media and police lied about is whether or not Lanza used an AR-15, it is HUGE information. Therefore it will be more difficult to accept something that doesn't fit the already established narrative.

In other words, the issue isn't how good the journalism is. The issue is what is the mental inertia the journalist has to overcome in order to convince the audience of his facts.

 
Contrast investigative journalism with this. Two middle aged white women with dark hair

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do you have youtube video links?
 
Again, all the state needs to do to squash the CT is for them to release the video tapes.

Everyone knows that wouldn't squash any conspiracy theories. Showing a birth certificate or showing Obama in Church didn't squash conspiracy theories either.
 
Everyone knows that wouldn't squash any conspiracy theories. Showing a birth certificate or showing Obama in Church didn't squash conspiracy theories either.

The Birth Certificate raised more questions than it solved. I'd like to see his collage records.
 
You're blaming some girl that hasn't even been identified as part of the conspiracy? How do you know she isn't just an unknowing victim who's picture got grabbed off of Flickr? You heartless conspiracy bastard!

No one ever accused the girl in the photo of being part of the conspiracy. The girl on the phone who talked to Teo's teammates was clearly in on it.

You mean (gasp) the OP jumped to a conclusion based on partial information? I guess BlackTerrel is a fantasy football conspiracy theorist.

I never said Teo plotted the whole thing. He clearly lied, he isn't really denying that.
 
Oh. I finally found something on infowars.com related to BlackTerrel's OP. (No thanks to BlackTerrel.) One of Alex Jones reporters pointed out that the father of one of the victims asked if he should "read from a card" and he cracked an odd smile before doing the conference.

Oh wow an "odd smile". This is how conspiracies are exposed. You are right.
 
Will that really change anything? Really? I bet the same percentage will still say he was born in Kenya.

No, but it is curious. Many have speculated that he gave up his citizenship while in Indonesia and later applied for foreign student aid.
 
There is a subtle difference between one who is a baffling idiot and one who has been baffled into an idiot by the media. Show some respect. In the end, as the world educates us by having our superiors teach us, in clear contrast, God transforms us by having our inferiors teach us.

wow. If you ever write a book would you send me a copy, or at least notify me. Can an "inferior" teach? If so, are they truly inferior? In the eyes of God, or the higher arbiter, we are all equally inferior I suppose. Like Nietzsche said, and I believe, the greatest strength is often found in the simplest of people.
 
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